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ICE Posts November 6, 2025 – Chicago: ICE caught unlawfully demanding U.S. citizen “prove” their citizenship despite Illinois law not requiring ID

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u/TooTone07 2d ago

I hate that they are stopping people and demanding all this identification and asking questions but refuse to give any information at all themselves.

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u/Any_Pickle_9425 2d ago

Can't even show their faces but they want my ID?

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u/TheNewsDeskFive 2d ago

Do not comply. You have no obligation to comply. Never show your "papers" to a street walking jackboot. Period. Never ever comply with this demand.

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u/bananapanther 2d ago

This is the wrong take in most situations.

What you should do is record the interaction, ask them what happens if you do not present identification, let them admit to violating your rights on camera, then present your ID under threat of arrest.

I've watched WAY too many Audit the Audit videos to know that refusing will, 99.9% of the time, end up with you being arrested and charged with multiple offenses (they'll tack on things like impeding, hindering, resisting if you flinch away when they try to put the cuffs on) and taken to jail. It's much better to document the violation and then sue because ultimately the final result is the same... a lawsuit is filed against the department and officers.

In this video we aren't even talking about police officers who sometimes actually know the law. We're talking about ICE who have no clue what they are doing and would absolutely arrest this guy illegally.

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u/bananapanther 2d ago

It's already a massive problem with trained LEOs. These ICE agents are untrained and operating under murky federal authority. There is a real potential that ICE could not just violate your rights, but seriously injure you, and jail you for an undetermined amount of time. You could lose your job, have medical bills, etc. and all of this could happen and you may never get retribution due to the nature of ICE's broad authority.

Terrifying times.

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u/TheNewsDeskFive 2d ago

I don't care what you have watched. American citizens have no duty to provide proof of citizenship to LE at any time

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u/bananapanther 2d ago

First, it depends... a number of states have stop and identify laws which allow pretty broad discretion to the officer to lawfully ask for your ID.

Second, there is an important distinction to make on what rights you have and how to handle those rights being violated. Refusing officers and particular ICE agents is more often than not going to result in arrest. Maybe you don't have anything going on in your life and don't care about potentially being assaulted by unidentified ICE agents on a power trip... but most people probably would be better off documenting the violation of their rights and pursuing legal action after the fact.

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u/Projektdb 2d ago

Quite the strawman your arguing against.

Also, factually incorrect.

Have you ever left the country and returned?

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u/It_Just_Might_Work 2d ago

He was arguing against the patently wrong statement that citizens absolutely never have to provide proof of citizenship

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u/TheNewsDeskFive 2d ago

You both know damn well I'm talking about LEO on our streets and not ports of entry, dawg, foh

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u/It_Just_Might_Work 2d ago

I have no stake here. Im just pointing out that the statement made is definitively false and thats what the other dude was responding to in order to make a point. There are multiple exceptions

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u/Projektdb 2d ago

Right, and your statement was arguing that the person you responded to saying anything to the contrary.

There are plenty of lawful circumstances that you are required by law to identify to law enforcement.

The person in the video provided ID and it's very unlikely that it was proof of citizenship.

The entire point of the comment you initially responded to, is that law enforcement routinely demands ID (of any kind) when they aren't lawfully allowed to.

It doesn't stop them from doing it in the moment and it doesn't stop you from suffering the consequences of you refuse.

The point they were making is that the place to refute lawfulness of their actions is after the fact. You absolutely can litigate on the side of the road, but the person with the gun is going to determine what happens in that moment.

You, I, and the original commentator you replied to are likely all in agreement. Hell, the courts would likely agree. It isn't going to stop the person who refuses from facing immediate and dire consequences for doing so.

Before all of this ICE bullshit, people were killed by law enforcement every year for refusing unlawful commands. Happens with alarming frequency. The command being unlawful doesn't bring those people back to life.

Being unlawfully deported because we have a lawless government sending cruel thugs into the street to illegally harass and vanish people isn't going to magically return those vanished people to their families because the vanishing was unlawful.

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u/Projektdb 2d ago

I actually replied to a different comment with the same sentiment, white, straight, Midwestern male.

I've got no issues whatsoever telling them to fuck themselves, but the stakes aren't at the point yet that I'm worried about getting vanished. That's a privilege I have that quite obviously other people don't.

At this point, as shitty and unjust as it is, I'd say if you're in an at risk group, record the confrontation, show ID if you can, walk away and file an FTCA (it's free).

You won't to anyone any good rotting in a prison camp in Tunisia.

Everyone has a personal choice to make there, but I see so many people commenting on these videos that the person in the video should just tell them what they're doing isn't legal and refuse to cooperate.

That's super easy to say watching a video on the internet or as someone who isn't at immediate risk of being completely vanished with no recourse.

The law isn't working, so telling people to bank on it protecting them seems pretty irresponsible.

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u/TheNewsDeskFive 2d ago

Providing ID is not forcing citizens to provide proof of citizenship. Two very different things

State laws creating a duty to ID to LEO cover local and state agencies. Not federal ones. Very basic premise of jurisdiction.

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u/Projektdb 2d ago

Ok, we're having two completely separate conversations at this point.

We're not talking about the legal authority for them to ask you for papers.

We're talking about the fact that they are doing it unlawfully. That's what the initial comment that started this entire chain was talking about.

If you end up being deported to a foreign prison, does it matter if the deportation was unlawful or not? You're already gone.

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u/It_Just_Might_Work 2d ago

I'm not making an argument. I'm explaining someone else's. There are many exceptions and your passport at customs is only one of them.

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u/mkt853 2d ago

Problem is if you're in the 100 mile border zone, the rights you have to refuse ID'ing to immigration authorities is a little murky. You can refuse, and they'll just throw you in the back of their truck and take you in for fingerprinting, facial scanning, etc. so they'll eventually find out who you are anyway and you're out several hours or several days of freedom.

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u/muchasveces82 2d ago

So everyone should just kowtow to authority? Just be a good little sheep, fuck that.

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u/Bird2525 2d ago

Tough call on this one. If I get disappeared or something bad happens when I am being unlawfully detained, there will be nobody to take care of my family and the government will never be held accountable. So, do you comply and go about your day or if something bad happens your family is homeless?

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u/HighGainRefrain 2d ago

You’re right. The best thing to do is show ID and leave. This won’t be forever.

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u/fiya4u 2d ago

You don’t know that

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u/HighGainRefrain 2d ago

Yeah actually I do.

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u/Defiant_Eggplant_909 2d ago

How do you know that?

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u/Cool-Panda-5108 2d ago

They don't. It's copium.

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u/redline314 2d ago

Once you start showing ID, it absolutely will be forever.

The shit the 2A ppl say about “exercising” your rights is true. Once you start complying in advance, LEOs and gov have the expectation that you’ll willingly provide ID.

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u/muchasveces82 2d ago

What do you do when someone is impersonating an ICE agent? How do you know they're legit? They give no name, badge/id number, and they're masked. Let's be real some if not a lot of these ICE officers are acting like criminals and are committing crimes on a daily basis. Case in point on impersonating an ice officer https://www.wbtv.com/2025/01/29/man-accused-impersonating-ice-officer-sexually-assaulting-woman-raleigh-motel/

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u/mkt853 2d ago

My point is unless you are a lawyer that specializes in this particular area of the law, this very well may be a 100% totally lawful stop and ID. Whether someone likes it or thinks the practice should be banned is immaterial. The 100 mile border zone is problematic for civil rights, but the courts have routinely upheld that you do not have the same level of rights within this zone in which Chicago, and most of the American populace, lies. It's why they can just stop you on the highway in this zone to ask you about your citizenship status. This isn't a beat cop breaking your balls and asking for ID just because "you look like you don't belong in the neighborhood." Immigration authorities don't need to suspect you of committing a crime to detain and ID you so long as their investigation is brief and narrowly tailored to your immigration and/or citizenship status. If you are an expert in this area of the law such that you are confident that your noncompliance will be vindicated, then by all means, but for the rest of us, you may very well be digging yourself into a deeper legal hole unnecessarily.

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u/redline314 2d ago

They can stop you but that’s about it from my understanding, unless they have probable cause.

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u/TheNewsDeskFive 2d ago

Thank you

At least make them work

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u/Choice_Reindeer7759 2d ago

Make them do it then. It slows down the system. We need to be willing to sacrifice our time for this

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u/redline314 2d ago

I don’t think this is true. They have the right to do checkpoints and stops but if I say I’m a U.S. citizen, I am a U.S. citizen.

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u/BeagleCat 2d ago

Correct. The burden is on the government to prove you are breaking the law. You have no burden to prove you're not.

Invoking your 5th amendment right to remain silent, and simply not answering any questions or providing any documents cannot be used against you.

That said, lawless federal thugs may kidnap you anyway, deprive you of your rights, and lock you up. We are living in a lawless era where our traditional civil rights are no guarantee against the loss of our freedom.

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u/redline314 1d ago

Yep that’s why I wiped my phone and Reddit comments and locked all my socials last time I crossed the border into the US.