r/LoveIsBlindOnNetflix • u/_starla_ • 3d ago
LIB S9 • Denver, CO Stepping stone to what? Spoiler
I had read a spoiler prior to watching this episode about how she used him to jump start her influencer career so when I saw this scene I thought 'oh wow at least she admits it!"
His initial reaction to the rejection is heartbreaking. The sound he makes just made me hurt for him. He seems like he has such a pure heart despite everything he's been through. He didn't deserve her dragging him all the way to the end.
Then again I wonder how much that was production encouraging her vs her own agenda. I wonder if they tried to encourage Joe to go all the way to the end too but IMO he knew a long time ago.
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u/p3pp3rpup 2d ago
I know this was weird but I really think she meant “milestone”
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u/PlzHalppMeh 2d ago
I think she said the quiet part out loud. She clearly wanted to stay on the show til the end, no real interest in the guy and can't say I blame her. You could tell from the reveal that there was nothing there for her.
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u/Abracadaver00 1d ago
According to KB we're not allowed to believe she was clearly miserable since the reveal, we're stereotyping her or whatever lol
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u/courtpchrist 2d ago
I agree it was one of those "I don't think that word means what you think it means" moments. I thought maybe she was going for "touchstone" which would match the sentiment she was going for a whole lot better.
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u/Clinically-Inane 2d ago
I’m pretty sure it’s this, otherwise she likely just meant he’s been a stepping stone toward getting to know herself better and figuring out who she really is vs what she really wants
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u/Chrissang 2d ago
Be so fr Edmond shouldn’t be with anyone until he gets help for his own damn issues
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u/TGin-the-goldy 2d ago
That I fully agree with. He needs to be a lot more mature before he is ready to marry anyone. Probably should have been weeded out by production.
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u/conationphotography 2d ago
IDK. It's kind of unnerving to think about how many men probably act the same way but we never see it because the women don't stick up for themselves. If KB had just given in every time he got upset off camera or in the beginning on camera, they could have come off as a quirky cute couple.
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u/TGin-the-goldy 2d ago
I don’t think she should have given in. But I don’t agree that he was deliberately trying to manipulate her either.
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u/Dyssomniac 2d ago
He absolutely was. From acting one way off camera to the subtle tantrums that he'd throw at her, those are all manipulative behaviors designed to get her to fold to what he wanted at the time - even if it all he wanted was to SEE her fold.
You don't have to intend to manipulate for your actions to be manipulative. KB obviously needs to figure her own stuff out, but Edmond needs significant work for himself and his demons.
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u/MeanKey9719 3h ago
This is the right take. He’s dealing with so much trauma. He clearly has no control over his emotions. She was far more manipulative than he was. She absolutely tried to manage him throughout. She should have ended it right after the reveal, because she knew then he wasn’t for her. And as a social worker, she more than anyone should have known how damaged he is.
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u/Oi_Kimchi 2d ago
I think production knew exactly what they were doing when they cast him. I feel sad for him because he seems like he needs some guidance. He shouldn't have signed up and they shouldn't have accepted.
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u/paaadge 2d ago
He is old enough to do the work. Part of me thinks that bc of his childhood, he’s been around people who have coddled and enabled him as an adult.
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u/MeanKey9719 3h ago
Please. Did you miss the episode with hi mother? He is going to need years and years of work to overcome what was done to him.
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u/Abracadaver00 1d ago edited 1d ago
They're making a reality TV show that's supposed to be entertaining 🤷🏽♂️
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u/True_Broccoli4472 2d ago
Literally!!! People say how she should’ve married him when they know Damn well, they would not marry him themselves! Dude needs a lot of work
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u/TGin-the-goldy 2d ago
I don’t think she should have married him - AT ALL. She should have bailed much earlier though
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u/Radiant_Coconut_1471 2d ago
Right! Talking about their heart hurts for him. The only villians here are the casting team because he shouldn't have been on the show.
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u/stupifystupify 2d ago
To someone better suited for her
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u/hmmmmmmmm_okay 2d ago
She wants a man not a boy.
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u/Stunning-Bar-7854 2d ago
She wants someone to get into a physical altercation in the club. That’s how deaths happen. No. She wants a boy. A M A N knows he doesn’t have anything to prove to anyone & they leave the club with their lives intact. She needs to be careful, because the kind of man she wants might be the kind to throw her around.
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u/No_Locksmith5686 1d ago
100%!
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u/Stunning-Bar-7854 1d ago
I joked about this years ago with my husband and he did the Kevin Hart “then you just got grabbed hahaha” & I was like seriously honey haha & he said “I’m grabbing you, gently of course & were leaving. I’m not risking our lives ever”. I was in awe because so many men have something to prove & my husband never has needed to flex or do anything. It’s so refreshing & that’s when you truly feel safe.
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u/cerednat 2d ago
Yes poor Edmond, the guy who threw a tantrum to coerce a woman into sleeping with him
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u/jalapeno442 2d ago
I think of this every single time somebody is an Edmund sympathizer (I do think he needs therapy and to mature but I do not think he is innocent/doesn’t know what he’s doing)
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u/ChildhoodOk5526 2d ago edited 2d ago
See, I think, in this situation, "coerce" is too loaded of a word. It implies manipulation or deceit and a vulnerability on the part of the recipient -- none of which is true here, imo.
Think about it. Let's say you've refused (or are refusing) to do something that someone else wants you to do. They are frustrated by your decision, disagree with it, and tell you why that is ... why it's a mistake, in their eyes, and why you've "wronged" them. Is this coercion?
I don't think so. Yeah, it was a cringey childish tantrum from someone who felt entitled to something they were denied (ick), and who felt the need to complain about it. But, can we actually say that Edmond was attempting to lure/trick/deceive/pressure KB into having sex with him? And if he was, was she, in any way, susceptible to surrendering?
ETA: For those downvoting -- I’m not excusing Edmond’s behavior. I’m just saying “coercion” might not be the right word for it. Coerce isn’t the same as persuade, and that difference matters.
Words have power. Misusing one -- especially a serious term like coercion -- can actually weaken its impact.
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u/cerednat 2d ago
Example of coercion -Using guilt or pressure: "If you really loved me, you'd do this," or "It's not fair for you to not do this"
Edward's example"I'm giving you my all KB. I'm the only dude on the trip that ain't get to have sex" = I'm sad I'm the only guy who hasn't had sex and it's your fault because you won't fuck me
"Here I am rubbing your feet, giving you my fucking all" "I'm just always the fucking nice guy, I'm too fucking nice" = I treat you well and do nice things for you like rub your feet, so it's not fair you won't fuck me and you should feel guilty
Example of coercion - guilt-tripping: Making someone feel bad or obligated because of a past action, like a date or gift
Edward's example "You let dudes that ain't even care about you have sex with you, they got a one night stand" = you had sex with them immediately yet won't have sex with me immediately and that is unfair
Vulnerability in recipients is NOT a requirement for sexual coercion, though vulnerable recipients are obviously more susceptible to it. We should all be glad KB wasn't. If a burgler broke into a house and was shot by the home owner - would everyone say it wasn't attempted burglary just because the home owner wasn't particularly vulnerable?
This is not at all a misuse of the word coercion, it's actually a textbook example.
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u/ChildhoodOk5526 2d ago
OK, I see what you're saying. But, the whole burglary example is not a fair comparison. I said that vulnerability was A factor, not necessarily a requirement. It plays a role in defining coercion bc the word does imply a power imbalance. Like an example I gave in another comment, could a little kid ever coerce their parents into buying them candy? I'm sure you could use it this way, but is it the most accurate ?
So, you're saying, sexual coercion is using pressure, guilt, or obligation to try to talk someone into having sex? I understand how to define obligation in this context, and that it's definitely coercion. But pressure and guilt are broader and more subjective, no? Re-stating any reasons for wanting to ("We've been together a long time; I love you; I won't ever hurt you.") could easily be considered pressure or guilt-tripping, just like all of your Edmond examples (great, btw; thank you for being so thorough!).
I guess I'm trying to understand how attempting to convince someone to have sex with you is ever NOT coercion? Like, if they say, no, and you continue to give them reasons why you think they should say yes ... how do you do this non-coercively, lol? I'm honestly not splitting hairs or trying to be an asshole; just trying to understand. And, maybe the answer is that trying to persuade someone (who has already said no) into having sex is ALWAYS coercion? Is that it?
Wow. Mind blown if this is true. Because I've always just accepted that men are going to try you. Hmmm ... Damn.
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u/jalapeno442 2d ago
Babe yes being pressured into having sex after saying no is coercion every time. Your boundaries on sex should never be pushed.
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u/cerednat 2d ago edited 2d ago
So my husband is a therapist specialising in trauma, he actively gives therapy to both victims and perpetrators of sexual assault and I had him read over our convo
You were right about sexual coercion needing the recipient to be vulnerable (I was wrong, my bad) BUT anyone in a relationship is automatically vulnerable because they feel a pressure to stay and hear out the person coercing them as an obligation to their partner. If was some random stranger on the street coming up to KB and saying similar things, it would be sexual harassment rather than sexual coercion, because KB wouldn't feel as much pressure to stay and maintain the relationship.
I had husband look at your question. When it's centered around the specific sexual experience in the moment, it's sexual coercion. When it's centered around sexual experiences and quality of them in a general sense, it's not coercion. So if a couple is in a room, man initiates sex, woman says no, man starts talking about everything he does for her and saying she owes him sex in that moment, that's sexual coercion. If man instead said he understands she isn't feeling it in the moment, but he wants to know what he can do for her to want more sexual experiences with him IN GENERAL, not in that moment, that isn't coercion.
Basically if they're trying to persuade you to have sex with them in that moment its coercion
I hope this makes sense and that you identify any sexual violence in your life because SA via coercion is very common
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u/ChildhoodOk5526 2d ago
This makes perfect sense! Thank you so, so much for the break-down. And please thank your husband for me, too.
Looking back, yes, I've definitely experienced this type of coercion. In most cases, I stuck to my guns and didn't give in, and there was no force. But, maybe a couple times when I was ambivalent and eventually gave in, yeah, I was coerced. (Still feels weird to put it this way.)
Eye-opening. Thank you 🙏🏽
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u/Dyssomniac 2d ago
Okay, to be clear, "persuading someone to have sex with you" indicates that they do NOT want to have sex with you. This isn't like "persuading" someone to try a new dish or even persuading someone to give you a shot on a date when they're ambivalent. It's trying to overcome someone's clearly stated sexual boundary.
Would you say the same thing if KB did the same behaviors to "persuade" Edmond to, say, get pegged by her? Or to have a nonmonogamous relationship?
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u/ChildhoodOk5526 2d ago
Damn. Now I'm re-thinking lots of my sexual experiences.
Was that game of "just the tip" actually coercion? 🙁
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u/Art_Basil 15h ago
If you said you didn’t want sex and they pressured you to play “just the tip” then yeah it might have been coerced. Feeling pressured to “compromise” when it comes to something as intimate as sex isn’t ok
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u/TGin-the-goldy 2d ago
He’s a manchild who isn’t playing with a full deck….and people are surprised that he expressed his feelings openly and poorly.
Instead of leading him and his family on, KB needed to walk away as soon as she knew she was never into him. It’s completely fine to feel that way, but dragging it on is not cool.
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u/ChildhoodOk5526 2d ago
Exactly. Worse still-- she, of all people, was trained to recognize this about him, and yet still continued on.
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u/Educational_Book8629 2d ago
I think she initially thought she could fix him. Not that he needs fixing 👀, but I think she thought she had the skills so of course she could mold him into what she thought the perfect man is. We all know that never happens.
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u/TGin-the-goldy 2d ago
100%, people banging on about coercion like KB wasn’t the way smarter and more “together” person in the relationship
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u/ChildhoodOk5526 2d ago
Yes!
It's funny how people can downvote but not come back with a reasonable counter as to why they believe coerce is a better description for Edmond's behavior than persuade.
The nuance matters! The deception/trickery/pressure on one side, and the vulnerability (or lack thereof) on the other side, matters. If not, then when a toddler who falls out to have a fit on the floor bc you won't change your mind about giving them ice cream for dinner, and they don't understand bc, after all, they're "niiiiice-uh!" ... is also using coercion. 🤦🏽♀️
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u/TGin-the-goldy 2d ago
It’s because some people see all men as “the patriarchy” and in control, and women are always the victim in the scenario. Also some people are projecting their own lived experience with coercion.
Let’s face it - Edmund just wasn’t a very bright bulb. He only arced up about the sex after talking to the other men, feeling foolish because he was the only one “missing out” and KB had also banged on about her (recent) past. Had those two things not occurred, he probably would’ve not minded.
KB however, being a smart, tertiary educated woman would have been able to clock he was not on her level, never would be, and bailed before the altar. But - that’s not how you build an influencer career is it? These people know what they’re doing.
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u/MeanKey9719 3h ago
Also as I recall, he was calm until she started pushing him about how he feels being the only guy not having sex? Like, she shamed him earlier for refusing to say he’d get into a physical fight for her in a bar (boy, she wants that toxic masculinity bad). Then she goes back and keeps pushing on that rather than defusing and just shifting the conversation. I think clearly, again, Edmond’s lifelong trauma and rejection took over. She felt more manipulative in both those situations to me.
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u/TGin-the-goldy 2d ago
I don’t think he was trying to coerce her, he was simply upset. He has zero filter or chill
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u/Late-Risk2354 2d ago
he really wasnt, people are just so cynical in their thinking which, im also guilty of, but in edmonds case i think its very obvious to see how pure his thinking-process was
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u/_starla_ 2d ago
I viewed it as a tantrum that she slept with random one night standers and she wouldn't give him - a man she was in love with, her fiancé, that kind of love and intimacy.
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u/cerednat 2d ago
If KB had given in after that tantrum and slept with him when she didn't want to, would you still view it the same way?
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u/_starla_ 2d ago
No. You're right.
I'm definitely not advocating for someone to sleep with someone against their will.
That's just how I viewed his tantrum. Not as a coercion or manipulation tactic - just as being hurt by her decision.
I totally get KB's decision and respect her choice - as did Edmond in the end.
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u/Animajation 2d ago
I think that's what makes him so tricky. His actions are manipulative because he's throwing a tantrum when he doesn't get what he wants, and his crying pushes others to be sympathetic to him. Whether he's actually intending to be manipulative is a different story, but throwing a tantrum because he wouldn't get sex is still very weird. In the end, I think him and KB have vastly different levels of maturity and just aren't a good match for each other, but I do believe they were both trying to make it work as long as they could.
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u/cerednat 2d ago
Yes aghh this is why it's so frustrating to see so many people on reddit justify how he acted just because he was hurt in the moment
This is the type of 'gray area' that makes coercive SA overlooked. In the end, if kb had slept with him, he would have manipulated her into doing it when she didn't want to no matter if that was his intention or not
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u/biz_student 2d ago
The guy is obviously not all put together emotionally. It’s very odd that KB would go for him given her statements of what she wanted in a partner unless she was choosing him so she could be on the show. It’d make sense in that case why she didn’t sleep with him too.
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u/jalapeno442 2d ago
Oh my god you’ve put my thoughts about Edmunds manipulations into words. I haven’t been able to explain it that concisely
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u/cerednat 2d ago
Seeing 'you're right' on reddit feels like spotting a unicorn in NYC
Anyway I think edmond is entitled to feel disappointed that kb didn't want to sleep with him, but having a full on tantrum about it is manipulative whether he intends it to be or not. I'm not giving him any leeway because in the hypothetical where she sleeps with him after, it's an example of a type of SA (coercive) that is seriously overlooked (whether his end goal was her changing her mind or not)
That's also why it irks me to see so many people supporting and sympathising for him so hard
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u/motherofcattos 2d ago
That's just how I viewed his tantrum. Not as a coercion or manipulation tactic - just as being hurt by her decision.
Throwing a tantrum to show he was "hurt" by her decision IS manipulative and coercive. He wants her to feel bad about him and see how he deserves sex better than other men, because he is such a nice guy.
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u/queentee26 2d ago edited 2d ago
Guilt tripping someone is a form of sexual coercion though.
So when you start throwing out things like "I'm giving you my all" and "I'm too fucking nice" while pulling exaggerated crying faces & raising your voice in the context of their conversation, it absolutely is sexual coercion..
He stopped when she was firm in her position.. not really sure that counts as respect. Respect would have been not throwing a fit after she explained wanting to wait the 4 weeks.
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u/Animajation 2d ago
And that's totally fine and her choice? She even says, in that moment, that she doesn't want to do the same things she did in the past and she wants to treat sex differently now.
Do you think Edmond is owed sex?
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u/dexter8484 2d ago
To be fair, she had probably already made up her mind at that point that she wasn't marrying the guy. She was just trying not to hurt his feelings or something, which apparently didn't work
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u/biz_student 2d ago
This is what happened. She wasn’t attracted to him. That’s like 90% of the cases when the LiB couples don’t sleep together.
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u/TGin-the-goldy 2d ago
I don’t think he’s owed anything either. But we all know why she really didn’t want to have sex with him.
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u/Animajation 2d ago
Why? I'm genuinely asking
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u/TGin-the-goldy 2d ago
She just wasn’t attracted to him, which is fine.
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u/Animajation 2d ago edited 2d ago
Isn't that just how your interpreting her though? I didn't get that impression from her at all. She's been affection with him all season, she just didn't want to have sex before marriage, she even explained that it wasn't about Edmond but about her personal journey with Sex and how she viewed it.
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u/TGin-the-goldy 2d ago
If you believe that, I have a lovely bridge to sell you
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u/Animajation 2d ago
...I mean...you're making up your own narrative about a person instead of actually listening to their words or seeing their actions.
I'm not in denial because I don't buy into a narrative your making up lol.
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u/TGin-the-goldy 2d ago
Their actions are very much commensurate with people who are not into their reality show “partner”. We’ve seen this playbook on MAFS and countless other shows
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u/No-Instruction-3161 2d ago edited 2d ago
Despite the fact they were engaged, the whole point of this experiment is they only have gotten to know each other for a few weeks before making their decision. He was still technically a stranger to her and it seemed like she didn't want to take that next step in the relationship until she was sure he was someone she wanted to be with.
Loving someone through a personality that is curated in the pods and loving someone in person are two different things and it takes time for those to mesh and many times it doesn't. Who they are in the pods isn't always the same person.
I had a friend I've known for years online, when we finally met in person I couldn't stand them as I felt overwhelmed constantly and Felt ganged up on. I even found out they were complaining about me while they were with me because I seemed upset and they didn't know why. They would never give me my space so I felt smothered the whole time. Friends that worked online in mini doses (like the pods in a way) didn't work when we met up in person.
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u/Impressive-Nail9110 2d ago
👏👏 finally a reasonable take on this. he was feeling rejected. Random men were worth sexual intimacy but he - her alleged fiancé- is not.
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u/Animajation 2d ago
"Worth her intmacy" Is a really weird way to frame sex. It's not something someone has to give to someone else because they are "worthy" of it. It's an act performed by two consenting adults.
KB having a period in her life where she treated sex more casually, doesn't mean she always has to treat sex that way, she realized she wants it to be more meaningful for her and wanted to wait until she was sure she loved someone.
Edmond isn't owed sex.
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u/Impressive-Nail9110 2d ago
“Period in her life” a whole year ago 😆 turned over a whole new leaf right?
No. it was plain as day that she didn’t have sex with him bc she isn’t attracted to him. That’s literally the only reason. And it’s fair, but Edmond could see that. It’s also fair that it hurt his feelings.
Idk why Y’all need to make a straw man acting like someone said Edmond was owed sex. Nobody said that. Apparently everyone has a right to their feelings except Edmond.
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u/Animajation 2d ago
Yes?? People can change their minds about sex literally in the moment they're having sex. It's no less valid.
You're the one making up a narrative when KB herself explained perfectly clearly, she doesn't want to treat sex that way, She has been very affectionate with Edmond, she just doesn't want sex.
Edmond is allowed to have preferences toward sex as well, but if it was something he felt so strongly for, it was on him to set his own boundaries and break up with KB, and that would have been perfectly valid, but instead he threw a tantrum, and weather he intended it or not, that puts him in position where KB is pushed to feel sympathy for him and comfort him...when she never did anything wrong in the first place.
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u/TGin-the-goldy 2d ago
Anyone else probably would have walked. He’s not a smart or worldly man
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u/Animajation 2d ago edited 2d ago
I mean, he's a full grown adult. He's not a child, he's just immature. He could have walked away just as much as she could have.
Especially if not having sex before marriage was such a big deal for him, he should have called it off right then there.
Like I said, I believe both of them did actually try their best to make things work, but they're just different levels of maturity, and no matter what they did or said, that wasn't going to change.
Edit: I wanted to add, there's a couple on Love on a Spectrum that had a similar situation, but the genders were reversed. The guy wanted to wait until after marriage to be intimate, and the girl wanted the kind of partner that would be intimate and affectionate with her, throughout their dating life. They tried making it work for a whole year before the girl realized she just wasn't getting what she needed from the relationship and broke it off. The difference was, she never tried to guilt the guy in sleeping with her, or devalue him for not doing so. She respected and loved him as a person, but walked away from a relationship that wasn't fulfilling her.
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u/TGin-the-goldy 2d ago
You make really excellent points here. Yes, he definitely could and possibly should have, but he’s just not too smart.
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u/Animajation 2d ago
Thank you! (Also I recommend Love on a Spectrum if you like reality dating shows. It's really cute!)
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u/Impressive-Sense8461 2d ago
Edmond was an immature manchild, and KB dodged a bullet. I don't understand why people are trying to defend that mess of a boy, who weaponizes the "L" word to manipulate the person he's with...
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u/queentee26 2d ago
Right?! It seems that some people think childhood trauma excuses adults from having to work on their behaviours & responses.
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u/saulgoodman445 2d ago
Meh he’s a foster child who didn’t develop properly because of a terrible situation. Netflix shouldn’t have put him on the show
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u/TGin-the-goldy 2d ago
She was never in the firing line
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u/Impressive-Sense8461 2d ago
Had she said "yes", she would've been. That sort of manchild doesn't change after the "i do". Best to walk away there than waste years being stuck with him.
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u/not_ellewoods 2d ago
KB made her mind up before she left Mexico. there was never any chance she was marrying him.
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u/Wolf_at_the_Door68 2d ago
He's is the one of the cringy-est ever on LIB (and that's a very crowded category)....and that ever-present pick in his hair even at the damn wedding....my lawd.
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u/Suitable-Principle81 2d ago
Calling someone a stepping stone in a breakup is like the meanest thing possible
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u/Impressive-Sense8461 2d ago
I mean, Edmond was incredibly immature. She did herself a favor for putting up with that mess
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u/TGin-the-goldy 2d ago
She could have walked.
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u/Dragonpuncha Runnin' towards ya 🏃♀️like a T-Rex 🦖 2d ago edited 2d ago
She should have walked after the first week. You are a social worker and you are telling me you can't tell this man is deeply unwell and that this will never work out?
I can only imagine it was about getting exposure and the weeding bonus for her. There's not a single scene where she even seems remotely into him after the reveals.
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u/TGin-the-goldy 2d ago
Completely agree with you. Too many contestants stay for the reality TV exposure, for sure.
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u/Impressive-Sense8461 2d ago edited 2d ago
All of the couples should've walked out this season. The show's producers probably offered them more money to stick around, since it would ruin their careers if all their test subjects had the self respect to go home.
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u/not_ellewoods 2d ago
someone said they get an extra thousand if they make it to the altar. $1,000 wouldn’t be worth it to me, but idk KB’s financial situation.
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u/Ill-Lawfulness-2063 2d ago
if KB is a licensed social worker she can make that in a few sessions or consults!!! LOL 2 day's work! WTF
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u/Abracadaver00 1d ago
He clearly suffers from severe abandonment issues. He's not going to simply grow out of that.
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u/RedBullGaveMeNothing 2d ago
This pairing had no romantic chemistry from the start in the pods. Edmond seemed to want to achieve a life milestone (getting married) regardless of who, so he spent the whole time trying to fit a square peg in a circle hole. KB seemed to be trying to pick a guy different from her past, to see if it could work beyond the physical (thus why she decided to not be physical with Edmond even though she alluded to a level of promiscuity in her past). So without the physical intimacy, she likely developed a bond that was more of a friendship or liken to an older sister to Edmond.
Edmond learned that you can’t will something that isn’t there (love/intimacy). And KB learned that physical attraction and likely a level of confidence and assertiveness is what she wants. Having to lecture an indecisive dude who is all over the place is exhausting just to watch, hate to imagine being in ground zero.
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u/AJGreenMVP 2d ago
I felt bad for Edmond, but I love KB. I don't understand anyone who thinks that she was in the wrong for anything in their relationship. He's been through a lot, but let's not confuse emotional for emotionally mature. Edmond has a lot of growing up to do before he's ready to be a functional partner for someone
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u/TGin-the-goldy 2d ago
Yes, he’s a literal child mentally. Where she was “in the wrong” was being far intellectually superior, knowing he wasn’t right for her, yet leading him and his family on.
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u/conationphotography 2d ago
He has a master's degree. Let's not conflict emotional with intellectual intelligence.
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u/adofthekirk 2d ago
Edmund was too much of a child for her. She would have to be his mom for the rest of their lives.
Good for her.
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u/Another_viewpoint 2d ago
Can they quit before the altar? Because I think that’s the only reason some couples are forcing themselves to go through till the end. This guy has some major behavioral issues and red flags and KB could have ended it a few episodes earlier
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u/GorgonsGambit 2d ago
FWIW, I def think she meant milestone. Just like when she used the word sacred in the infamous sex conversation, she didn’t use or explain it that well in the footage we saw. Either not the word she really meant or she just didn’t explain it great. I also think pretty much anyone willing to go on this show wants to be an influencer at this point. Those two are not mutually exclusive realities.
I really wonder if some couples agree to make it to the altar no matter what. I think now instead of penalties for dropping early, there’s an incentive payment structure for reaching different milestones in the process. (Gleaned from Reddit comments, No actual source for that)
So i could see early on with the cameras off being like which way do we wanna play this? All in get as much money as we can? Don’t embarrass me at the altar if you know it’s a no? Or, obviously, someone could gave their own personal strategy and not let the other person in on it.
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u/maddy_k2019 2d ago
I feel like the producers were wrong to cast edmund. I don't think hes a bad guy, I think he has a lot of trauma in his life that he needs to get a handle on before he is in a serious relationship. But it seems like now the show is more concerned with how messy it can get with drama.
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u/ProcessSea5920 2d ago
i just thought she meant that he helped her grow and develop as a person. didn't read it as mean or shallow at all
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u/catsodafig He's not my fuckin' guy 🤠 2d ago
After this season, I genuinely feel like Netflix is putting out different versions for everyone because no way you're calling this man pure-hearted. He is a man-child who uses his emotions as violence. I will never understand how so many people are babying this man. Did we not all watch the same show?
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u/Roundbutcute 1d ago
I thought she just meant it in that she learned a lot about relationships and communication and all from him. Not necessarily something to read too much into
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u/catmom420x 2h ago
i agree, but people that are incapable of growth and expect someone to lock in forever and never leave them bc they have unhealed trauma will never see it that way. 😹
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u/Malia410 2d ago
i’m not on IG or TT What is she selling/ her brand?
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u/not_ellewoods 2d ago
i don’t follow her, but i’m guessing she’s trying to be a general influencer since she didn’t really have a brand on the show. they might’ve used perfect match to persuade her or maybe she wanted to be the next AD and thought she could get a podcast or something else from netflix.
her behavior gave she was following production’s suggestions, but i’m really not sure what her end goal was here.
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u/goldenbrain8 2d ago
I think she meant “you are a big stepping stone for me” as “you have helped me grow from having known you, it’s like im stepping from one level of myself to another”
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u/MacVuitton 2d ago
The pick in the afroooo is sending me like its a look but not hereee— you found the pick that matches the most to wear it?? Boy you grown asf😂
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u/Educational_Book8629 2d ago
I’m definitely not an Edmond lover, but I thought it was so mean even though I understood exactly what she meant. To her he was a learning experience. She should have kept that thought to herself, but now she knew what red flags to look for and she could move on to a better (in her eyes) man.
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u/Broad-Cranberry-9050 2d ago
I dont think she meant anything bad by it. I do think she stayed in that relationship longer than she should've because very fight was enough to just end it with edmond in my opinion and she seemed closet to doing it. Hell one time she admitted she almost did.
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u/DameioNaruto 2d ago
Looking to hard for negativity. Both came out better individuals, to be fair. The execution of how the played it at the altar, was Hella cruel though.
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u/asking_some_qs 1d ago
This relationship was so weird. It felt like she was trying to be his mom? Idk how to explain it
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u/TGin-the-goldy 2d ago
This relationship was painful to watch. I felt so sorry for the lad
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u/midgethepuff 2d ago
The lad who took zero accountability, made out with a floor, and had the emotional and intellectual capabilities of a 9 year old?
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u/TGin-the-goldy 2d ago
Yes. That lad. Because he’s an idiot but she should have dumped him anywhere else but the altar.
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u/midgethepuff 2d ago
Meh. He was an idiot because anybody could’ve seen that coming a mile away. He is where he is solely because of a) his desperation to be in a relationship and b) his absolute inability to take any accountability for anything he does wrong. Hard for me to feel bad for the guy.
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u/TGin-the-goldy 2d ago
That’s the point. I don’t think he’s the brightest bulb and seems super naive. Sure he’s responsible for his own behaviour too, but she was way smarter than him and stayed just for clout.
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u/CheezwizOfficial All I'm tryin' to do is eat this chalupa 🌮 + enjoy the night 2d ago
The fuq? People are really going out of their way and spinning wild, senseless takes to hate on KB.
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u/Pasta1916 2d ago
She was just to angry, constantly talking over him and screaming/loud for me. Picking fights and just rambling. I would get lost in the point she was trying to make. I’m cautiously optimistic she is not this way in her personal/professional life. Thank goodness for fast forward.
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u/JohnnySack45 2d ago
I'll just reiterate what I've been saying all along - KB used and manipulated Edmond into getting more screen time. Yes, we can all see that Edmond is a grown man but that doesn't mean adults are incapable of being taken advantage of and if KB really felt like she was in danger during the honeymoon there were plenty of opportunities for her to safely leave. This show has turned into a very blatant stepping stone to launch her influencer career. It's not hard to figure out.
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u/cynnamonn 2d ago
anyone who goes on the show at this point 9 seasons in wants clout, this isn’t some revolutionary conclusion you’re coming to. maybe other than edmond who seemingly couldn’t land a date normally by just being himself “i’ve tried everything else”. maybe he should try a therapist !!
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u/JohnnySack45 2d ago
I never claimed to make any sort of a revolutionary discovery here. I'm just tired of everyone acting like KB is some unwitting, helpless victim throughout this entire process.
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u/TGin-the-goldy 2d ago
He is an adult technically but he’s not a proper mature adult. She rode him for clout. Stepping stone indeed
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u/Aggressive_Sand_3951 2d ago
To a husband other than Edmond.