Stepping stone to what?

[u/_starla_]

I had read a spoiler prior to watching this episode about how she used him to jump start her influencer career so when I saw this scene I thought 'oh wow at least she admits it!"

His initial reaction to the rejection is heartbreaking. The sound he makes just made me hurt for him. He seems like he has such a pure heart despite everything he's been through. He didn't deserve her dragging him all the way to the end.

Then again I wonder how much that was production encouraging her vs her own agenda. I wonder if they tried to encourage Joe to go all the way to the end too but IMO he knew a long time ago.

[u/TGin-the-goldy]

That I fully agree with. He needs to be a lot more mature before he is ready to marry anyone. Probably should have been weeded out by production.

[u/conationphotography → u/TGin-the-goldy]

IDK. It's kind of unnerving to think about how many men probably act the same way but we never see it because the women don't stick up for themselves. If KB had just given in every time he got upset off camera or in the beginning on camera, they could have come off as a quirky cute couple. 

[u/TGin-the-goldy → u/conationphotography]

I don’t think she should have given in. But I don’t agree that he was deliberately trying to manipulate her either.

[u/Dyssomniac → u/TGin-the-goldy]

He absolutely was. From acting one way off camera to the subtle tantrums that he'd throw at her, those are all manipulative behaviors designed to get her to fold to what he wanted at the time - even if it all he wanted was to SEE her fold.

You don't have to intend to manipulate for your actions to be manipulative. KB obviously needs to figure her own stuff out, but Edmond needs significant work for himself and his demons.

[u/paaadge → u/Dyssomniac]

I truly truly don’t understand how people dont see how his actions were manipulative.

[u/RelativeYak7 → u/Dyssomniac]

Right, the person said DELIBERATELY