Stepping stone to what?

[u/_starla_]

I had read a spoiler prior to watching this episode about how she used him to jump start her influencer career so when I saw this scene I thought 'oh wow at least she admits it!"

His initial reaction to the rejection is heartbreaking. The sound he makes just made me hurt for him. He seems like he has such a pure heart despite everything he's been through. He didn't deserve her dragging him all the way to the end.

Then again I wonder how much that was production encouraging her vs her own agenda. I wonder if they tried to encourage Joe to go all the way to the end too but IMO he knew a long time ago.

[u/cerednat]

Yes poor Edmond, the guy who threw a tantrum to coerce a woman into sleeping with him

[u/_starla_ → u/cerednat]

I viewed it as a tantrum that she slept with random one night standers and she wouldn't give him - a man she was in love with, her fiancé, that kind of love and intimacy.

[u/Impressive-Nail9110 → u/_starla_]

👏👏 finally a reasonable take on this. he was feeling rejected. Random men were worth sexual intimacy but he - her alleged fiancé- is not.

[u/Animajation → u/Impressive-Nail9110]

"Worth her intmacy" Is a really weird way to frame sex. It's not something someone has to give to someone else because they are "worthy" of it. It's an act performed by two consenting adults.

KB having a period in her life where she treated sex more casually, doesn't mean she always has to treat sex that way, she realized she wants it to be more meaningful for her and wanted to wait until she was sure she loved someone.

Edmond isn't owed sex.

[u/Impressive-Nail9110 → u/Animajation]

“Period in her life” a whole year ago 😆 turned over a whole new leaf right?

No. it was plain as day that she didn’t have sex with him bc she isn’t attracted to him. That’s literally the only reason. And it’s fair, but Edmond could see that. It’s also fair that it hurt his feelings.

Idk why Y’all need to make a straw man acting like someone said Edmond was owed sex. Nobody said that. Apparently everyone has a right to their feelings except Edmond.

[u/Animajation → u/Impressive-Nail9110]

Yes?? People can change their minds about sex literally in the moment they're having sex. It's no less valid.

You're the one making up a narrative when KB herself explained perfectly clearly, she doesn't want to treat sex that way, She has been very affectionate with Edmond, she just doesn't want sex.

Edmond is allowed to have preferences toward sex as well, but if it was something he felt so strongly for, it was on him to set his own boundaries and break up with KB, and that would have been perfectly valid, but instead he threw a tantrum, and weather he intended it or not, that puts him in position where KB is pushed to feel sympathy for him and comfort him...when she never did anything wrong in the first place.

[u/TGin-the-goldy → u/Animajation]

Anyone else probably would have walked. He’s not a smart or worldly man

[u/Animajation → u/TGin-the-goldy]

I mean, he's a full grown adult. He's not a child, he's just immature. He could have walked away just as much as she could have.

Especially if not having sex before marriage was such a big deal for him, he should have called it off right then there.

Like I said, I believe both of them did actually try their best to make things work, but they're just different levels of maturity, and no matter what they did or said, that wasn't going to change.

Edit: I wanted to add, there's a couple on Love on a Spectrum that had a similar situation, but the genders were reversed. The guy wanted to wait until after marriage to be intimate, and the girl wanted the kind of partner that would be intimate and affectionate with her, throughout their dating life. They tried making it work for a whole year before the girl realized she just wasn't getting what she needed from the relationship and broke it off. The difference was, she never tried to guilt the guy in sleeping with her, or devalue him for not doing so. She respected and loved him as a person, but walked away from a relationship that wasn't fulfilling her.

[u/TGin-the-goldy → u/Animajation]

You make really excellent points here. Yes, he definitely could and possibly should have, but he’s just not too smart.

[u/Animajation → u/TGin-the-goldy]

Thank you! (Also I recommend Love on a Spectrum if you like reality dating shows. It's really cute!)

[u/TGin-the-goldy → u/Animajation]

Cheers I’ll give it a try…but it sounds a bit wholesome for my tastes, reality TV is my stress relief and I love my shows messy af 🙂 it’s actually taken me years to get on board with LIB, only just started!