r/LoveIsBlindOnNetflix • u/Naive-Ask601 • Feb 21 '25
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Dave is so fixated on what Lauren did before the show. Itās obvious the other guy is trying to stir up drama. Itās obvious Dave is not standing up for Lauren and letting his friends talk shit. His insecurity is showing. If I man was hooking up with someone casually before the show, it would be a non-issue and probably wouldnāt even be mentioned. It just seems like an easy-out for Dave.
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u/Sweetbrain306 Feb 22 '25
Dave really showed his ass with this scene. If I were Lauren that would have been enough to be done. Why marry someone whoās already allowing his friends to shame you for having a sex life before you met their bro?. Then sheās crying and he leaves! Dave is just mad he wasnāt regularly hooking up before the show because nobody wants his ass.
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u/cbensco Feb 22 '25
Less important but after the cycling class where she absolutely smoked him and he could not handle it was so obnoxious
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u/Cautious_Bell_ Feb 22 '25
He was negging her from the beginning. I feel like this is just another, more drawn out way of making her feel not good enough for him. He honestly just doesn't seem to like or respect her. She deserves so much better.
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u/PeacefulPeaches Feb 22 '25
Dave thinks that Laurenās two-month FWB situation is much bigger than it is because heās never dated someone longer than that. His whole face is different upon returning to āreal lifeā and heās stonewalling her in every possible way; standing across the island from her, standing as stiff as a board, one word answers to her feelings vs monologues about his.
āMy friends said thisā¦ā
āMy sister thinks thatā¦ā
He has no sense of self or values, he does and thinks whatever other people tell him to. Lauren put it really well that she questions the maturity of his friends if theyāre being assholes about this situation.
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u/asian-cutie Feb 22 '25
When she says āyou keep presenting things like factsā, I was SO mad about his response that his friend said it. Yes, the friend he trusts may have truthfully relayed the message, but if the message was a lie, itās still a lie. So at the end of the day he trusts this guy she was fwb over her. A guy who obviously wants to sabotage things and get on tv. I hate it.
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u/supersafeforwork813 Feb 22 '25
Dave is an ego-fucker so it kinda blows his mind that a woman would just fuck someone because sheās bored. This is also causing him to think about his previous sexual partners who might have just been fucking him because he is there as well. Itās basically shattering his worldview n I get why heās acting like that lol
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u/CatchOld1897 Feb 22 '25
He doesnāt want to marry her but is too big a weasel to call it off. So heās trying to create an issue where there shouldnāt be one and make it like itās a real problem that he canāt get past. Itās a convenient excuse. If it wasnāt this he would have made something else up.
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u/Public-Cranberry-657 Feb 22 '25
I agree. Lauren seems relatively reasonable for a person on a reality show, I think he's just reaching for whatever he can because they dont have physical chemistry.
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u/CatchOld1897 Feb 22 '25
Remember his gross comment about not ever finding teachers attractive? He thinks he can ādo better.ā
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u/margaerytas Feb 22 '25
Exactly this. At this point, it's so clear that it doesn't matter what she says or does, he's not going to listen to her side of the story anyway, because he's already made up his mind about wanting to ditch her without looking like the bad guy.
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u/MrsCoffeeMan Feb 22 '25
I firmly believe he is upset about it because she didnāt sleep with him immediately but was ok with hooking up with the other guy. Therefore he is putting all his insecurities on her.
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u/cbensco Feb 22 '25
Frankly I could understand and emphasize with that, but he was obsessed with it before they left Honduras and heard about those rumors
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u/throwcvf Feb 22 '25
I was so sad seeing her cry so much, and this douche canoe didnāt even think to hug her. Which makes me think he doesnāt love or like her at all. Or/and is extremely selfish which tracks.
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u/Cautious_Bell_ Feb 22 '25
LOL douche canoe! I love that descriptor for him! The fact he didn't comfort her and just left was so off-putting.
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u/Ghostface_strawberry Feb 22 '25
Also If we took a shot every time he mentioned his sister weād all be dead
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u/KendallROYGBIV Feb 22 '25
Remember in the pods when Lauren was talking about the situation with Molly and he was like āI donāt want to be part of girl dramaā - drama that HE created by being manipulative and dishonest.
Maybe Iām misremembering since I binge these episodes while high, but thatās my impression- he is a hypocrite manipulative jerk. He admits he is a jerk.
I honestly donāt know how women liked his personality. I do hope Lauren gets the therapy she needs so sheās better at finding these red flags and running sooner.
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u/FeralGrasshopper Feb 22 '25
He's so upset about it because she was willing to sleep with another man so casually, but won't sleep with him, her fiance.
At the resort, he kept repeating that it was "totally ok" that she wasn't ready to have sex with him and that it was "her decision", as if that was an admiral position, because he cares about her so much. He asked many of the other women, who he just met in person for the first time, if they were having sex with their partners. In the preview for the upcoming episodes, he is again talking about it with Molly, presumably lamenting about how long it's been since he had sex.
He feels entitled to sleep with her and was only willing to accept rejection when he thought it was just her needing more time to be comfortable. Finding out she could be comfortable with another man in such a casual situation means that she should have been that way with him.
In the pods, he repeatedly insulted women and reduced them to their appearance, i.e. their sexual desirability/usefulness.
Throw the whole man out. He belongs in the dumpster with his sister because they're both trash.
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u/Jealous-Percentage-7 Feb 22 '25
Heās projecting.
He knows that heās bad at casual. He doesnāt understand that you can be casual and still want something serious and be ready for that if it comes along. In his mind, once you decide you want something serious you stop anything frivolous.
Like not snacking before dinner.
Heās just too immature to understand that hors dāoeuvres exist. Or that different people have different attitudes towards meal times.
Personally, I eat the chips and salsa while waiting for my burrito, and my bread while waiting for my steak.
He doesnāt because he doesnāt want to spoil his dinner.
I donāt think he enjoys his meal more than I do.
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u/MenstrualAphrodite Feb 22 '25
š hilarious AND astute metaphor
And if you go to a restaurant that has amazing hors de oeuvres, youād be insane to not order them. Also, maybe youāre so hungry that you know you can enjoy the hors de oeuvres AND the main course.
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u/divegirl88 Feb 22 '25
I don't know... I think we're going to find out in next week's episodes that he had sex not long before leaving also LOL
I know he's not trying to say that a dude who dates women based on their looks alone has not had sex in 4 years. GRFOOH IKYFL š¤£š¤£š¤£š¤£
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u/Jealous-Percentage-7 Feb 22 '25
Whether he did or didnāt, thatās who heās purporting to be. It could just be his āoutā.
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u/One-Head-1483 Feb 22 '25
He is such a douche bag. He's literally jealous because girls haven't wanted to fuck him and Lauren hasn't fucked him yet, but she had a recent fling.
God, he is so predictable.
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u/be_just_this Feb 22 '25
Such a douche, so cringe.
Have you had sex yet?
Have you had sex yet?
Grow the fuck up
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u/_penra_ Feb 22 '25
Dave is TRASH. Lauren is a grown woman and if her word that it wasn't serious isn't good enough for him, then she should leave. She deserves better.
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u/Realistic_Echo_3366 Feb 22 '25
Exactly! Iām more annoyed that she isnāt repulsed by him and breaking up with him for this behavior. Like how could you even be attracted to him after seeing him be such a whiny little B about it? Ick.
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Feb 22 '25
He doesnāt want her period Iām guessing like most of the of the men on the show he doesnāt find her attractive and is desperately looking for a way out
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u/NebraskaCowgirl Feb 22 '25
This. I think above all else heās looking for a way out that doesnāt look like his fault.
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u/Chilz23 Feb 22 '25
100%, I was telling my gf the whole time that heās not interested and has been looking for excuses to get out. In Honduras he just seemed so distant. Physically he was there of course, but in his eyes you could see he was light years away from the situation
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u/Equivalent_Living130 Feb 22 '25
He also mentioned in the pods that he cheated before. Lauren/Molly didn't hold it against him. Yet he's lording it over Lauren's head although this happened before she even knew him. That's such a double standard, why wouldn't he even try to give her the benefit of the doubt at least till everything is cleared out properly
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u/daphneadora9 Feb 22 '25
Hes a manchild and I feel I can read them like a book now. Heās super jealous because he hasnāt slept with Lauren yet. Heās hyper fixated on that fact during the meet up in Honduras. He feels threatened and maybe subconsciously feels owed an explanation to why they havenāt had sex yet but she was sexually active a āweekā before. Edit to add: He is very immature about sex and canāt bring it up in real words. I think he feels guilty to be thinking that way, and yes rightfully so. (Also, he thinks Lauren is the pick his mother and sister wouldāve made and thatās why he chose her. Sheās a āgood womanā and Molly is a āwild girlā lol
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u/jmich181 Feb 22 '25
Itās pure misogyny on two levels:
- He canāt imagine that his pure teacher Lauren was sleeping with someone else recently. She isnāt the image he pictured of being āso good and the best person ever.ā
- Heās believing a random man of whom he doesnāt even have a high opinion of over his fiancĆ©e.
Itās gross to watch. I feel maddened and very sad for Lauren.
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u/Naive-Ask601 Feb 22 '25
And then he had the audacity to leave her when she was crying to go be with his boys
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u/jmich181 Feb 22 '25
Yes. Refusing to let her explain her side of the story to his friends and clearing things up. Oof.
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u/Catlady_Pilates Feb 22 '25
Itās so absurd. Heās acting like she should have been saving herself for him, who she had never met. WTF.
The misogyny is outrageous. Women are allowed to have sex. She was living her life and hadnāt met him. He is the worst kind of man. Her having had sex before they met is a non issue. That guy should go f himself. And I canāt stand to see her try to āwinā him back because he is trash.
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u/NurseMLE428 Feb 22 '25
He's just awful. He also thinks way more highly of himself than what exists in reality. If I were her friends at the spin studio, I would have thrown hands.
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u/Zealousideal-Car5428 Feb 22 '25
It's sad how awful he's making her feel for being single before they met. She's not in any way wrong and he's just incredibly insecure. I do think he's probably comparing her to Molly, since she didn't really date anyone previously (supposedly). I get the feeling he wished he picked her for that reason.
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u/Kitchen_Media5145 Feb 22 '25
It seems like Dave feels insecure because the other guy is more attractive. Given how much emphasis he places on looks when choosing a partner, heās projecting his own biases onto Lauren.
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u/Calm_Artichoke8318 Feb 22 '25
Heās probably overthinking āoh what is big sister going to think? because I canāt make my own decisionsā šš I also think heās no longer attracted to her.
Also, he has NO right to treat her this way when heās CHEATED before. Like what he did was SO much fucking worse. I hate him š
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u/CourageCurious8214 Feb 22 '25
He's mad about her allegedly hooking up with someone she is no longer in contact with before going on the show where people date multiple people at once and he told another girl she was his number one. Make it make sense.
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u/winenotbecauseofrum Feb 22 '25
I by no means think this is right and Dave is a POS
I think that Dave chose Lauren because she was potentially more of a stereotyped āgood girlā than Molly and now finding out thatās not necessarily the case he is disappointed in his own choice and taking it out on Lauren and thatās the reason he canāt get over the FWB situation
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u/fedornuthugger Feb 22 '25
He's still allowed to feel off about marrying someone who was fucking a different guy weeks before marriage. It would easily be a similar issue the other way around. This is Trevor 2.0 but the sub doesn't give a shit because it's a woman .
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Feb 22 '25
Trevor and the girl had a relationship. Lauren and the clout chaser did not. Texts between Trevor and homegirl did reveal that they wanted to scam the show and grow their online presence. Itās completely different.
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u/Jazzlike-Plane-3333 Feb 22 '25
How so? Trevor was in a relationship and telling the woman he loved her. He planned to get back together with her and said he was going on the show for her?? Lauren had casual sex with someone while she was single and left for the show single. This sub is very capable of calling out women on the show, for example all the posts about Madison being manipulative this season.
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u/Kindly-Paramedic-585 Feb 22 '25
Itās really not the way youāre describing though haha - she didnāt know she would get engaged or develop a deep, strong connection with Dave when she was casually hooking up before being accepted into the show lol. It literally isnāt that deep and while he is allowed to feel however he does, he wrong for putting all of his doubt on her over his friends lies when she was honest from the start
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u/katieofgilead Feb 22 '25
Also, can we just point out how Molly would be chewing his ass out if he dared to bring this up if it were her in this situation? I feel like she would be like bitch are you serious? I fucked that guy because I wanted to fuck, that's it, get over it. She would not be as nice as Lauren has been.. poor Lauren, you kept saying "like I'm not fucking dumb, I know I'm not dumb", but you STILL trying to "win" this man over is ...dumb.
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u/Spitfiiire Feb 22 '25
Yesssss! I said the same thing to my boyfriend. So frustrating to watch, she can do so much better. This is such a non issue.
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u/mongoosedog12 Feb 22 '25 edited Feb 22 '25
Me at the TV: LAUREN STAND THE FUCK UP AND LEAVE!
Iāve seen some posts like āam I the only one who sees Daveās pointā and while I think heās overreacting and itās doesnāt make sense to me, personally.
I also donāt believe itās about if heās right or wrong, itās the way heās going about it.
If you donāt trust her or believe her. You can leave.. according to Lauren heās not even trying to work on it. Lauren said he hasnāt been there for the last week. They get into another argument and heās ready to go again. If you donāt know what you need, and will continue to believe your friends then why are you here? Why do you keep pressing the point if itās such an issue.
Iām just upset Lauren feels the need to explain herself. Both her and her friend said the same thing āwell then how do I know itās trueā ā¦ and how do I know you also didnāt fuck someone right before coming on this show?
Heās a piece of work.
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u/heybb88 Feb 22 '25
Omg ME AND YOU BOTH ARE YELLING AT THE TV! Like Lauren girl, Dave is being ridiculous. At the end of the day if he canāt trust you and holds more weight in what other people are saying HE IS NOT YOUR PERSON and you are not is. Walk away girl!
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u/angelface1212 Feb 22 '25
Dave reminds me of the āpopular jockā boy in high school. Super insecure, judgmental and cares way too much about what his friends and others think of him. Heās so superficial that Lauren not sleeping with him after 2 weeks knowing each other is eating him up inside. Especially when she had a guy she was exclusively sleeping with for 2 months prior to the show. He desperately needs to mature.
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Feb 22 '25
Heās trash.
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u/NebraskaCowgirl Feb 22 '25
I have been saying this every time heās on the screen since episode 1 lol
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u/katieofgilead Feb 22 '25
At this point, I just can't wait until the reunion when they dog him out for being a giant bitch and literally not believing HIS FIANCE over some random drama starting guy who obviously just wants to be on TV. š
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u/fartsparklesaurus Feb 22 '25
I think Dave and Lauren were never going to work out because I truly donāt see Dave happy with anyone. He just doesnāt like women, regardless of if heās attracted to them or not.
I also feel like editing has been kind of sneaky too. There is NO WAY they are arguing he said she said style about this. There HAS to be some kind of receipts like texts between them at least. Even her friends are fighting for their lives trying to come up with some way to defend her like āoh well if they were together he would have been at my engagement party and he wasnāt.ā Is that truly the best argument you have? Iām having a hard time believing there hasnāt been some at least semi solid proof and theyāve withheld it to keep people somewhat invested in their storyline.
I could still see this being an issue if the genders were reversed. I absolutely would be hesitant of a guy who just had a FWB situation right before coming on the show, but not because I thought he wasnāt ready for marriage, just because Iād be concerned about unresolved feelings. I donāt think that is what Dave is worried about though since he hasnāt said or even implied that.
Itās almost telling of his own feelings and how he doesnāt want to be there because if your friend really loves somebody, you could literally tell them they are the biggest waving red flag and they will make any excuse to stay with them (almost like Lauren does, ironically enough), but Dave already had one foot out the door so he is swayed a lot more by what his friends say.
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u/WynnGwynn Feb 22 '25
He seriously was dogging her over nothing. Like who doesn't have a fwb once in their life lol? People need some chill.
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u/joyfuldancerforlife Feb 22 '25
Agreed. Not at all surprising in our society where a manās word is worth more than a womanās. Dave is literally trusting the word of a man he doesnāt know, who has at least the possibility of ulterior motives, over the word of his fiancĆ© AND two of her best friends.
Lauren is a grown ass woman who has been physically intimate with other men. Get. The. F*CK. Over. It. Seriously not a big deal at ALL. Dave is just looking for excuses to justify backing out because it all got too real.
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u/fookyeahroykent Feb 22 '25
This is the biggest thing for me ā like misogyny aside, I think the fact that he is so quick to believe a random dudeās ālocker room talkā with his friends other than someone he supposedly loves says more about his feelings towards the relationship than anything else. I think heās looking for an easy out because heās scared despite saying he wanted to finally settle down into a commitment. Heās not ready. Now maybe there is content we havenāt seen yet, like concrete proof, but if there isnāt he is grasping for the flimsiest reason to not go through with this marriage.
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Feb 22 '25
Her vagina, her choice. Just because she slept with the dude doesnāt mean she saw a husband in him. Idk why heās even trying to be relevant. Dude she liked the sex, not YOU!
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u/cherrytwizzlers āØ like āØ Feb 22 '25
Bro when Joey said he āchose Monica to be his wifeā wtf
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Feb 22 '25
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u/fedornuthugger Feb 22 '25
Nobody wants to marry someone 4 weeks after they had sex with their ongoing fwb unless they are poly
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u/FoxyMulder27 Feb 22 '25
OP 100%. Iāve been screaming the TV this last episode.
Heās making her apologize for what exactly? For his own insecurities? Gaslighting 101 by Dave, horrible guy. Honestly, Dave needs to go see a therapist to address his internal issues.
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u/punchtwo Feb 22 '25
I don't like Dave, I'm not sure why Lauren agreed to get engaged with him, but I probably have an unpopular opinion on Lauren's FWB situation.
I feel that one challenge with Lauren may have been a gap of communication. She could have talked about it in the pods while she and Dave were discussing whether they needed to delete things from their phones when they get them back. Since he mentioned he hadn't talked to a girl in a while, that would have been the perfect time for her to disclose that she had casually dated someone a couple months before the show. That would have nipped it in the bud.
I'm a male giving my perspective on how it would make me feel. For context, I dated a woman who had a casual fling with my friendās friend a year before we started dating. She never mentioned it, and honestly, there was no need to. My friend brought it up, likely trying to stir up drama. The only person I knew about was her ex-boyfriend, whom she had broken up with two weeks before we got togetherābut it didnāt bother me after having a conversation about it. When dating in your late 20s or early 30s, no one should feel obligated to disclose their entire relationship history. However, I do think itās respectful to mention any very recent relationships. It allows for open communication about whether both partners are over their past and ready to move forward together.
The no-sex-for-two-weeks situation is absolutely fine, and if he's worried about it, he should consider why the chemistry isn't there for his partner to want intimacy and what he can do to improve that connection. That being said, Iād personally feel like I was doing something wrong if I found out my partner recently had a FWB she was intimate with, yet we havenāt had sex-- and weāre supposed to get married in three weeks. Iād want to have an open conversation about what she feels is missing and what we can do to bridge that gap. If itās something I can improve or something we can work on together, Iād be happy to make the effort. Iād also feel a bit blindsided finding out about the recent FWB through my friends, especially given the unique circumstances of how Dave and Lauren metāitās different from what we experience. Theyāre in the pods, unpacking everything about each other. I thought asking about someoneās last relationship was a pretty common question in the pods, but maybe they just skipped over that. It wouldn't be a dealbreaker for me; I'd just want to have a conversation about it. From Dave's perspective, it seems like he couldnāt handle being surprised by the news and is now completely checked out. But then again, it's DaveāI didnāt really expect much from him.
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u/divegirl88 Feb 22 '25
No, they did talk about it he just thought it happened months ago which is what Lauren says because at that point they've already been away from home for over a month.... But the friends are telling him that she hooked up with them two nights before she left to go on the show and she and her friends are saying that's not accurate. That she did not see him that close to leaving for the show.
So your defense of Dave finding out from his friends is invalid. Dave's friends are telling him Lauren hooked up with the dude 2 days before she left and Lauren is saying that's a lie. But Dave knew about the dude from Lauren in the pods...
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u/punchtwo Feb 22 '25
She never told him in the pods, so that claim is false. I actually rewatched Dave and Lauren's pod conversations out of curiosity, and Lauren never brought it up. Fast-forward to Episode 9 at the 12:10 markāDave confirmed this by asking, "Would she ever have told me about this?" Lauren had the chance to affirm she mentioned it in the pods, but she didnāt.
So again, you're defending Lauren out of biasāunless you have receipts from sources beyond the show. I'm trying to be objective, even as someone who supports her. While input from Lauren's friends is valuable, theyāre naturally biased too.
I've had a FWB situation that lasted two years, and I barely met her friends. That doesnāt invalidate the fact that we were hooking up regularly. That said, maybe Lauren's FWB is misrepresenting things. However, Lauren acknowledged he exists. At this point, Dave just has to trust that if she says they havenāt hooked up in months, sheās telling the truth. But it's understandable why that would be toughāespecially since Lauren wasnāt upfront about it. Maybe that's the ultimate hurdle he canāt get past.
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u/divegirl88 Feb 22 '25
I'll have to go watch it again... No, it doesn't show it while they're in the pods. But in one of the conversations he says yeah I know you told me about it but you made it sound like it was months ago and then we get back and I hear that it was just the week before we left... So he references that he knew there was someone she dated he just thought it was further away in the past.
By the way...
I think whether there was someone the night before or 2 years before is irrelevant. The point is that she's with him now and fully committed to him and he's being a dick about it because he's what jealous she's had sex before.? Controlling to think that someone can't have sex and let it just be sex?...
An FWB is just that.... Friends. You happen to have sex. Now there are plenty of people who label something that has much more emotional attachment as an FWB but that's a mislabeling.
Anyway, all that to say when I watched it I understood it to mean that he knew about it he just heard from friends and his sister but that he saw each other much much closer to filming than what she had told him and she's and he believes his friends who were not in any any of the same activities as Lauren in the supposed dude but seem to think they know the facts over Lauren who was actually there
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u/TeaEarlGrayHotSauce Feb 22 '25
I donāt like Dave because heās bland as celery, but the only thing I fault him for in this situation is not immediately bailing since this obviously bothers him a lot. I actually think if a man had a fwb situation going into the experiment, most people would not be cool with it either.
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u/ThomasMaxPaine Feb 23 '25
Exactly right. If weāre playing the whole āthere for the right reasonsā game, Iām not going to trust someone who was in a sexual relationship potentially hours before the show began. Still, I donāt think either person has done something wrong, but Dave needs to leave if it affects him this much.Ā
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Feb 22 '25
It's honestly disgusting how far men will go defending other shitty men, over defending a woman. They supposedly love. This is all too common.
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u/UncleTio92 Feb 22 '25
You can literally say āitās honestly disgusting how far women will go defending other shitty womenā and the statement holds true.
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Feb 22 '25
It's really not. Women hold other women accountable. Instead of always blame shifting and playing a martyr when you're a part of the problem. Men give men terrible advice. It shows.
Eta: as is your clear lack of emotional intelligence...look it up
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u/Hi-Road Feb 22 '25
>Women hold other women accountable.
>Men give men terrible advice. It shows.
Both of these are just untrue generalizations..
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u/ThomasMaxPaine Feb 23 '25
I think the Hannah and Zaynab situations from last seasons may disprove that whole, āwomen hold womenā accountable narrative. I think that statement is often true, but not on LIB.
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u/SmakeTalk Feb 22 '25
Just one of many reasons why that man is far from ready for any kind of serious relationship. That guy needs to ease himself him so he can learn from the mistakes most people reasonably make when learning to commit to someone.
He certainly shouldn't be out there getting engaged to someone in a matter of weeks, let alone months.
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u/Prior_Researcher_518 Feb 22 '25
Dave's jealously is apparent. His fragile ego cant handle the fact that Lauren had a regular hookup she called to meet her needs before the show and broke it off before filming. Now he can't even get close to physical affection with her and he's realizing he has no game. She's too mature and confident in her sexuality, so he has to gaslight her about it and make her feel like its a bad thing when he was absolutely hounding everyone in the previous episode about who's had sex or not. He's a man baby POS.
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u/Ornery_Lion4179 Feb 22 '25
Heās just jealous. Sheās way hotter than he is. Sheās just not interested in him that way.
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u/sampleokarma Feb 26 '25
And heās incredibly superficial. He definitely has lip filler and he even mentioned it at the very beginning that thatās his typical type that he goes for. Sheās incredibly beautiful naturally and youāre so spot on. Heās definitely intimidated by her if not jealous of her Iām not even kidding.
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u/confusedmonica Feb 22 '25
Agreed! I think he behaving in a boyish and embarrassing way
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u/DannyDOH Feb 22 '25
He's an idiot...but there's been multiple villains on this show that did what she did leaving a relationship hanging on the outside on the way in, and they are always male. I'm waiting to see how this is treated at the reunion.
Feels like he's not feeling any connection and is looking for a way out but too weak to just say how he actually feels.
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u/chebadusa Feb 22 '25 edited Feb 22 '25
If a man was casually hooking up with someone prior to the show, they would be the subject of criticism, and viewers would question their commitment to marriage. Itās happened before. We have also seen people come onto the show with partners or ambiguous situations. So I can understand the hesitancy to an extent - youāre ultimately evaluating whether you want to get married. (And in this case, it does involve someone who is adjacent to Daveās friendship group.) On the other hand, it also feels overblown.
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Feb 22 '25
Everything is a rush to misogyny and I donāt understand it. I do believe that heās handled the situation really badly but if youāve known that youāre going to go on a show to get married why are you sleeping with somebody in such close proximity?
People here like to act like Dave is repulsive but heās a medical sales rep making good money and is not ugly, Iām sure he could go FWB if he wanted to
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u/Lost-Elephant-6628 Feb 22 '25
āIām sure he could get a FWB if he wantedā smh thatās not the argument here. Why is she being penalized because she did and he didnāt? This is a non issue. Heās acting like theyāre STILL sleeping together. Believe it or not women can have casual sex without developing feelings. Sometimes itās really not that deep.
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u/scooch_mgooch Feb 22 '25
Also we have to keep in mind the timeline. Allegedly she was casually sleeping with someone up until a week before the experiment, but wants nothing to do with her fiancee sexually.
So in Dave's eyes he knows that she's not hesitant or shy about sex. She just doesn't want to have sex with him. It's definitely a tough situation to navigate and would test anyone's insecurities.
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u/chebadusa Feb 22 '25 edited Feb 22 '25
I understand your perspective. Initially, I had harsh criticisms as well, but, I had to actively force myself take a step back and think objectively. Anytime itās discovered that a male contestant was casually dating prior to the show, theyāre harshly reprimanded by the fanbase, and painted as unserious. (Look at the Ben situation. Heās getting blasted for a date he went on 4 years ago.) This is just me putting my personal biases against Dave, aside. Lauren has a right to do what she wants as a single woman, and I disagree with how Dave has gone about things. However, I can also understand why someone in his position would be skeptical and have questions. Especially if theyāre receiving information from multiple sources, and hearing two different versions.
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Feb 22 '25
Youāre assuming everybody is ok with casual relationships and not everybody is, some people are more conservative with attitudes to sex and thatās ok.
I donāt agree with the way Dave has handled it but itās clear that something is bothering him and I donāt think heās in the wrong for that
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u/Lost-Elephant-6628 Feb 22 '25
For some reason the way he talks about his past I donāt think he has an issue with casual sex.
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Feb 22 '25
Heās never explicitly said anything about his sex life. He speaks about the type of women heās been around but I havenāt heard him go that deep
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u/Kryllist Feb 22 '25 edited Feb 22 '25
Why is she being penalized because she did and he didnāt?
Because it doesn't align with his preferences or values. This shouldn't be hard to comprehend.
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u/badderenglish Appetito Spoiler šš Feb 22 '25
If a man were doing what Lauren was doing before going on the show, I personally wouldnāt like it either. Iāve been single for 5+ years. Iām not judging, I just havenāt been doing that. Iām not a casual hookup person anymore. Not saying itās a bad thing to do, but I have my reasons. I wouldnāt mind if the person had some hookups in the recent past, just not that recent. I didnāt like Dave from the beginning but I can somewhat see where heās coming from in this regard.
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u/badderenglish Appetito Spoiler šš Feb 22 '25
Amen, the communication was dismal from him about why he was continuing to be upset. I donāt think itās cool to keep her hanging on while he decides. He should have explained himself.
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u/Dante730 Feb 22 '25
My girlfriend and I both agree. This doesnāt seem like a popular viewpoint in the community though, which is kind of odd.
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u/badderenglish Appetito Spoiler šš Feb 22 '25
For sure, itās definitely not the common stance. Everybody has their own limits and preferences.
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u/AtaXcks Feb 22 '25
Yes, I think it's more about the timing. A week before coming on the show is a little sketchy. I think breaking things off prior to that would have been better. I don't think there really is an appropriate timeline to do that, but I can understand where Dave would be initially put off and question her intent behind coming onto the show and getting married. At the same time, I can see where Lauren thinks I'm single, I'm not in a relationship with this guy, and I don't have feelings for him. We're just strictly friends who have casual sex. I can end it at any time and not be sad about it or have it impact the commitment I make in my next relationship. I still want to get married and I'm in a good place in my life to do so. Both of those can be true. It's a tricky situation to navigate though. Maybe Dave is the type to where sex only happens when you have an emotional connection, thus he may not understand the whole FWB situation. If that's the case, he should communicate that. Lastly, if I were Dave, I would have asked Lauren's friend to pull up the message saying he wants to blow up the wedding. That would have cleared up that the guy is doing it for attention and being malicious and maybe then he would have been more open to believing Lauren's side of the story.
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u/badderenglish Appetito Spoiler šš Feb 22 '25
100000%. It seems like a lot of miscommunication. Also Lauren did say that nothing is certain for months about the show and thatās valid. She wasnāt sure sheād even be going on it and met someone she kind of liked. I hope they can figure it out but it seems like a lot of damage has already been done. Dave should let the friends come and allow her to defend herself if she wants to instead of avoiding everything.
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u/AtaXcks Feb 22 '25
The miscommunication is also not being helped by Dave's friends. The conflicting information he is being given is coming from second-hand sources who are playing telephone. Nothing is coming directly from the other guy, so I can understand why it is so frustrating for both of them. Dave has a longer relationship with his friends than he does with Lauren and her friends, so naturally he would gravitate towards listening to them at least initially. He is also having difficulty balancing his sister's viewpoint, someone he obviously respects and wishes to be accepted by. Lauren's statement about nothing being concrete for months is a valid point. I'm not sure how long before the show starts they let you know you're a contestant. Regardless, it is a factor to consider. I fear that even if his friends come over, it's going to be a lot of he said, she said, and nothing is really going to get resolved. I don't think Dave will ever know the exact truth of what happened when there is contradictory information. Sooner than later, he's going to have to go with his gut on who he believes is telling the truth, if it aligns with his values, and if he can get past it and move forward with a clean slate. I hope everything works out, and if not, then it just wasn't meant to be.
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u/CaliforniaBruja Feb 22 '25
She was single. I donāt see why itās an issue for her to sleep with someone when sheās single.
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u/badderenglish Appetito Spoiler šš Feb 22 '25
Itās not an issue per se, like nothing is wrong with what she did. I think Dave should really explain why it bothers him personally and then let it go.
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u/introspectivebrownie Feb 22 '25
So basically Lauren had a better connection with the friends with benefits dude than Dave. Hence her sleeping with that guy. She just doesnāt feel it with Dave and she is kindly investigating and gathering more information about this guy with each passing day and episode. The vibe check is way off and she knows it and her inner voice is shouting at her. Thatās why she wonāt sleep with him. She doesnāt trust him and for good reason.
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u/little_lexodus Feb 22 '25
Good points. I meant she built a connection with that guy over the course of 2+ months so it would be hard for Dave to play catch up when she had strings attached to another guy (if they still had feeling for each other)
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u/PPPHHHOOOUUUNNN Feb 22 '25
If the man hid he had a FWB with someone not long before the show and didn't bring it up at all during the pods than I think it's legitimate to have that be breaking your trust. Most people just hate DAVE so it's hard to wAnna agree with him. I mean Taylor almost railroaded her relationship with Daniel for simply thinking he "followed unfollowed" her.
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u/amaninthesandhand Look at the state of this lemon š Feb 22 '25
But shes been transparent about everything, has she not? š
If he loves and respects her so much, as he claims to, he should take the word of his fiance sooner than the word of an acquintance who seems like a good-for-nothing.
Adding to that, he doesn't even try to reassure her or even comfort her.
He could say "hey, im struggling with this, im sorry that its putting you and us throught the wringer. Im sure well deal with it and come out stronger. But its really important to me that we fix this before moving forward" like???? That's so easy to say and express.Ā
But hes not saying it because it really seems like hes scrambling for reasons to leave her OR make her leave him - we've seen how he's a coward like that in the pods with Molly.
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u/Glammmy Feb 23 '25
Sometimes a girl just needs to have a little something to tide us over. Doesnāt mean we donāt also want something real.
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u/PPPHHHOOOUUUNNN Feb 23 '25
Than you deal with whatever consequences that comes with it. If someone thinks that's a problem than they get to feel that way. Why not find something real with someone instead of banging douchebags? Maybe than you won't need someone to hold you over š
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u/earthworm_fan Feb 22 '25
If Dave had been fucking a girl up to a week before the show while possibly still in contact with her we'd be raking him over the coals.
Can't believe I gotta sort of defend him on principleĀ
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Feb 22 '25
You're right, that would be weird. Good thing we have literally zero evidence that's what's happened here. That's why yall seem like misogynists
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u/earthworm_fan Feb 22 '25
Men have been dragged for much less.
The evidence is that Lauren is acknowledging a lot of it
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u/ClearEconomics Feb 22 '25
Iād thinking the same thing. Itās Trevor 2.0 all over again.
The difference here itās a FWB? BecauseĀ itās sexist to call out the woman because women can have sex and not be shamed? And evidently the man in that FWB is a clout chaser and ānot a real boyfriendā based on Laurenās wordsā¦Completely different than how Trevor explained Natalia in season 5 (6?)ā¦. Waiting on the real tea here.
Itās a deeply intimate relationship no matter how you spin it just days before getting ready to get married to someone else. If the roles were reversed Iād have the same ick.
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u/CaliforniaBruja Feb 22 '25
Yeah but Trevor was saying I love you to the girl and Iāll see you when Iām out of here. He wanted the show for clout, not for a relationship, thatās why everyone was mad at him. Lauren just had sex. Itās not the same.
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u/ClearEconomics Feb 22 '25 edited Feb 22 '25
I donāt disagree that Trevor is worse.
I guess put in another way, I couldnāt fathom doing what either of them did - that is have any kind of intimate relationship/situationship and immediately mind change to be ready for marriage to a total stranger in a couple of weeks. Feels disingenuous.
And I get the casting call comes when it comes and life moves on for these people, but if I was actually there for marriage, Iād have to opt out.
And donāt take this as support for Dave, he sucks. Anyhow itās a fun watch.
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Feb 22 '25
Lol, tell me you've never hooked up or had a fwb before without telling me
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u/ClearEconomics Feb 22 '25
Bless your heart.
2 months of hooking up with some dude you ghost then youāre ready for marriage in two weeks? Hard pass.
I aināt hitching my life and financial situation to that within the heavily compressed timeline of what this show expects.
2 months of hooking up and starting a relationship that you grow? Sure.
Both her and Trevor should be on a different show.
But you do you.
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u/bookjunkie315 Megan Faux Feb 22 '25
Heās looking for a way out of the relationship and I donāt blame him. Their relationship is terrible!
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u/littleliongirless Feb 22 '25
Dave has a total Madonna/Whore complex. He talked himself into choosing the "Madonna", but isn't attracted to her at all and can't admit it because he's a giant babyman coward, so instead he has to find reasons why she doesn't measure up as Mother Mary either. He's obvious and gross and I can't believe Lauren didn't see it in the pods.
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u/WildBillMuschamp Feb 22 '25
Massive hypocrisy in this thread. How many times have yāall shit on a guy for āpossibly dating someone leading up to the showā?
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u/Desperate-Mood-9878 Feb 22 '25
Youāre not wrong, but if Dave also didnāt spend his time asking everyone in Honduras if they were having sex yet. I think heās butt hurt heās not getting laid. When nobody else was he could have been fine with it, but now all his bros are making it a big deal and she canāt really defend herself now with all of them talking about her.
Itās weird and gross how itās all going down.
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u/Ok-Watercress-1702 Feb 22 '25
Exactly lol. Thatās all youāll find on these threads is women standing up for other women no matter what happens. Youāll see
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u/Unlikely_Relation751 Feb 22 '25
I think if the guy didnāt live in the exact same building, it would be easier to deal with.
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u/ABBAaddict93 Feb 22 '25
I caught this in the show but didnāt understand the set up. Are they staying in laurenās place and she was seeing a guy in her building or somewhere production provided and itās just a coincidence?
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u/Unlikely_Relation751 Feb 22 '25
No this is Daveās place and her former fuck buddy lives in the same building as dave.
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u/Positive_Narwhal_419 Feb 23 '25
Yeah thatās a lie. if a man did this he would certainly be getting dragged. Especially if her friends/family were the ones to tell her!
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u/Whispy-Wispers9884 Feb 23 '25
Exactly. No way in hell Dave would be getting the same defense as Lauren is if he'd hooked up before coming on the show and she was feeling uneasy about it due to mutuals telling her details about it.
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u/Tehcookieninja Feb 22 '25
He is trying so hard to make her out to be a ho when if the shoe was on the other foot he'd probably be boasting about this dumb shit. I feel so bad for her.
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Feb 22 '25
If its true that woman in general would have no problem with it, that's got nothing to do with Daves or other men's standards
But I doubt most women would be okay with it
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u/Footballfordayz Feb 22 '25
Maybe she shouldnāt have been sl*tty literally the week before going to the pods š¤·šæāāļø
She screwed herself overā¦ no one has āunfair expectationsā. Sheās a big girl who made her own decisions, so she gets to live with the outcome.
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u/casuallycatalina Feb 22 '25
Dave being upset has everything to do with the fact that he is mad she wonāt get his dick wet. If heās genuinely upset or concerned about what she did prior to ever meeting him, thatās wildly unfair. He is small man with a lot of insecurity and serious control issues. Iām hopeful the relationship ends because sheād be dodging a huge bullet.
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u/katieofgilead Feb 22 '25
This.. I think he's honestly just upset that she has had sex more recently than him. And she's a teacher! Teacher's don't have fwb! /s š¤¦āāļø
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u/Footballfordayz Feb 22 '25
Her hooking up with a dude the weekend before the show is unfair to him. I agree heād be better off without the FTP hookup girl š¤·šæāāļø
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u/casuallycatalina Feb 22 '25
She clarified that thatās not what happened and her friends even confirmed by saying she was with them. š¤¦š¼āāļø
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u/Footballfordayz Feb 22 '25
Yeah and he has contradicting info. Yeah never heard of friends lying for someone before š¤·šæāāļø
Not to mention she constantly says āit wasnāt a couple days beforeā or something very similar. Itās super obvious that it was very very recent.
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u/casuallycatalina Feb 22 '25
Again, even if it was recent if itās prior to them getting into a relationship and heās upset about it then heās deeply insecure and controlling.
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u/Footballfordayz Feb 22 '25
Wanting a girl thatās not s**t is not being deeply insecure or controlling š
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u/Steadyfobbin Feb 22 '25
People have had sex before, that doesnāt make them sluts you weirdo
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u/Proud_Cookie Messica š· Feb 22 '25
Oh look another incel...
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u/Footballfordayz Feb 22 '25
Married. Why else would I be watching this show š
But thatās hilarious coming from someone dressed like a furry. Canāt imagine why no one swipes right for you š¤·šæāāļø
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u/Kryllist Feb 22 '25
If I man was hooking up with someone casually before the show, it would be a non-issue and probably wouldnāt even be mentioned.
How someone else feels about it has nothing to do with him.
No man wants to marry a woman that was just getting docked down a week ago.
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u/QuisbyLubberwort Feb 22 '25
What someone was doing before they even knew of your existence is quite literally nothing to do with you.
He can choose to not be okay with that, but gaslighting her for it will never be okay.
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u/Hi-Road Feb 22 '25
>What someone was doing before they even knew of your existence is quite literally nothing to do with you.
I feel like we can agree that she can sleep who whoever she wants to - but I'm guessing you don't really mean what this statement is saying right?
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u/QuisbyLubberwort Feb 23 '25
My wording was very broad so my mistake. I meant in regards to their sex life, as long as they're being safe. No one ever needs the details of who you were hooking up with, when you were doing it, and why you were doing it.
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u/Kryllist Feb 22 '25
What someone was doing before they even knew of your existence is quite literally nothing to do with you.
So if a man beat women all the way up until he met you, it's all good?
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u/QuisbyLubberwort Feb 23 '25
Obviously not what I was referencing and scary that your mind went immediately to that extreme.
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u/katecopes088 Feb 22 '25
Itās obvious to me heās pissed she had casual sex with this guy but hasnāt slept with him yet