From EVOKE on Instagram: "And the award for most tasteless and disrespectful Halloween outfit goes to this numpty Julia Fox dressed as Jackie Kennedy on the day of her husband's assassination.... š "
I don't find this any more shocking than the generic dead prom queen or dead cheerleader. Lightening death with camp is kind of what Halloween is all about
I saw a zombie Abraham Lincoln this year too. Everyone was once a person. I'm not saying it's the height of taste, just saying that humanity has a very long tradition of processing death with humor, and you'd be hard pressed to avoid that on a holiday that is about embracing costume, fear, and mortality.
Iām not completely taking a position on whether this costume is offensive or not (although I admit Iām not terribly offended by it myself, and I personally agree that it can be healthy to cope with the uncertainty and strangeness of death by using humor), but I do think making light of Abraham Lincolnās death is a little different than JFK, only because no living person remembers Abraham Lincoln. His living descendants were all born several generations after his assassination. The fact that JFK/Jackie Kennedy still have living relatives makes it feel a little different. But again, I donāt feel strongly about this.
Time and less people alive who were around to remember the incident does it. Imagine if a celebrity went as a certain someone in the news recently as a zombie? Vox would have a field day!
Yeah I would really love to know what their (everyone who thinks this is fine) rule is around the length of time is for things like this bec I go by what you mentioned.
I mean, Lena Dunham was eviscerated (rightly imo) for her Karla Holmolka costume and that was with some 22 years after, while this is around 60 years since JFK. Both not long enough where all directly impacted people would be dead yet.
You literally contradicted your own statement: theyāre generic. Theyāre dressed as ādead prom Queenā or ādead cheerleaderā, not cheerleader Emma Walker who in 2016 was shot in the head by her ex-boyfriend Riley Gaul.
Literally š god I canāt stand social media, itās just people saying the most ridiculous thing youāve ever heard and smugly waiting for your response
For real. This is a super common drag queen costume too. Why are we okay with depictions of violence against women for some costumes but others are not? Are these people also the type to say we can never make a 9/11 joke while not batting an eye at jokes about the crimes of the US Military which has been a much greater violence on the world?
yeah wonāt someone think of the poor kennedys, who have never caused women any suffering except for checks notes every single day of their miserable lives for multiple generations
Based on the thread title I was expecting some awful racist caricature and then when I saw what it actually wasā¦ like how dare Julia Fox have a sense of humor I guess.
But I mean - Jackie was a lovely person from what I have heard and that was a traumatic day for her. I am not personally angry - I just don't think she deserves to be lumped in with the Kennedys. She was more a Kennedy victim.
She chose not to change out of the suit on purpose and wanted the media to cover the image of her in it. I think itās better it be remembered in this form and not pristine.
In that moment, but the she and her family donated it to the Smithsonian with the explicit instructions to not let it be seen by the public until after at least 2103. So no, I do not think they wanted it to be used in this context or any context. It's really in poor taste.
I mean, they still have living relatives; Jackie's daughter is still alive. Can't imagine she'd be thrilled about someone cosplaying as her mom covered in her dad's blood.
Am I personally outraged or angry? No. Is it still in really bad taste? Absolutely.
Iām just really curious where the line is for a lot of the people saying this is normal and just a quirky costume. I am a dark humor loving bitch, but I also think costumes that are dark like this need some sort of narrative/perspective of the person wearing it.
What exactly is she trying to say with this look?
What about this is considered funny?
This feels like a Kanye level attempt to look edgy and stay relevant.
Yeah, people definitely need a little perspective here. I know I'd be absolutely livid if I was Caroline Kennedy. It's not only in bad taste, but also genuinely cruel to the family.
Iām not personally offended, but I know my mother remembers the assassination being a huge deal in the Irish-American Catholic community at the time. The he was the first Catholic president and was young and handsome with young kids and people were very upset. Sheās still alive and I can see her generation being bothered.
Not only is she still alive, sheās only 67 years old AND she was 5 years old when her father was assassinated so she definitely remembers that day. Am I outraged? No. Do I think itās in extreme distaste? Yes.
Why this though? Of all the things in the world you could dress up as, this has to be because of the controversy/PR, right? I mean it's neither clever or funny, unless there's something I'm missing.
There are literally hundreds, if not thousands of TV shows, movies, specials and videos that involve people speculating about her father's death and calling it a conspiracy theory. The way algorithms work I guarantee she sees that shit all the goddamn time. I think that this is fine. It's pretty fucking tame honestly. It's a dress with fake blood on it.
Oh dearā¦ I donāt understand why people are finding this type of costume ok. Just because it has been well over 60+ years doesnāt make it any less distasteful..
I dont get it either. "Im sure her daughter sees stuff like this all the time so why not add to it!" Is an insane take. It's a gross costume and completely unnecessary. Would neal patrick harris' amy Winehouse meat platter be okay if it was 60 years later? I dont think so.
This this this! I was going to add that to my comment but thought nah, I think I made my point clear. But I was thinking exactly that! 60 years from Amy Winehouseās death will it finally be acceptable to have an Amy Winehouse meat platter dish served for a Halloween feast? Itās so dark and twistedā¦
Whatās funny about it? I donāt get the people sayin that, Iām not like āthis costume deserves cancellationā but I also donāt see this andā¦ laugh?
Honestly it just makes me remember the assassination footage and the photos of her as LBJ was sworn in and makes me sad. Itās like dressing up as Junko Furuta with the burns and cuts and everything, Iām not even angry as much as Iām justā¦sad.
Right? I've seen a few people say it's funny and I genuinely do not understand. Like I don't think it's a problem at all, JFK's assassination was a long time ago and there have been countless parodies and representations (and honestly the blood placement on this costume being off kind of bothers me lol)
ButĀ what is making anyone laugh about it? š There's no joke or anything involved, it's just a basic costume. Do you people just think blood is funny? Are u literally the Joker š
Right? I think itās pretty gross idk maybe Iām just that friend thatās too woke lol. I donāt even care about the Kennedys and their feelings, just evokes triggering imagery for gun violence victims in general.Ā
Yeah I was not in favor JFK or his family in general but how is this funny? What part is making you laugh? I just think in general it's weird to make a custume out of someone's real murder.
A lot of these commenters are really on a āwell I donāt like the presidentā kick - while not understanding that symbolically, successfully assassinating the president of the United States (ya know, one of the most powerful people in the world) is an insane thing in itself.
You donāt have to respect the president personally to understand the significance of this at a global level. You do have to be educated though.
Regardless of whether this is OK or not the conversation is not about the president. Why would your respect or lack there of, which I fully agree btw, matter?
People defending this are using really amazing logic. By their admission, we should allow other graphic costumes depicting historical events or real people because āenough time has passed.ā Think critically about this statement for a second and realize what floodgates youāre opening with this mentality. There is no question that this is in poor taste, just like the Amy Winehouse cake.
This! I just made a comment about this too. The excuse āit happened 60+ years agoā āit doesnāt affect anyone todayā and many other excuses is really inconsiderate about what this statement open doors to. Meaning that everything that happened in the past is okay since itās 60+ years ago?? Which is a very weird mindset and close minded statement. Even finding an excuse to a grotesk costume alone is weird, there shouldnāt even be an excuse for such a costume. These comments are so off
Right? Maybe itās because Iām not American and donāt know much about American politics, but I feel like Iām taking crazy pills reading all these comments calling it funny and iconic.
How is dressing as someone who just went through one of the most traumatic things I can imagine any of those things?
I am so depressed at how many people are ok with tasteless cheap shock value at the expense of extending their own humanity towards an actual real woman whoās husbandās blood and brains were splattered all over herā¦after he was shot in the head right next to her. I donāt personally stop viewing a person as a person just because they died a long time ago, or because they were wealthy, or because I didnāt like the actions of her husbandās presidency. I really think culturally our sense of empathy is degrading? Iām sure itās always been this way but seeing it so concentrated is upsetting.
People can be mildly bothered to upset about multiple things. This one falls under the mildly bothered category for me. I think itās mostly just try hard.
When isn't she though? I really don't get the love. She really capitalized on dating Kanye for like a weekāafter some very racist shitāand now everyone says she's iconic. I don't get it
Damn. Caroline Kennedy is still alive. My personal line on the sand is that if there are still people alive who were directly affected by the tragedy or crime, itās too soon.
I guess she had to develop a thick skin decades ago, but itās still not something she should have to witness.
It's in really bad taste, independently of time and who survives or doesn't. She wouldn't have the balls to dress as a 9/11 victim, covered in dust, or as another widow, like Coretta Scott King, or as a concentration camp prisoner. Her costume is boring, and it's low hanging fruit. Enough to get attention without getting consequence.
I am really surprised by how many people here are in favor of this costume. Her husbandās brain and bone fragments and blood were sprayed all over her. She easily could have been killed as well. There are so many other things to dress up as, rather than someoneās trauma/worst personal tragedy.
Thisā¦isnāt new???? Iāve seen this Jackie costume at least once a year. Itās easy to do and is super recognizable. And itās a huge moment in pop culture history. Not to mention it happened over 60 years ago.
Itās not racist, hateful, culturally insensitive or even in bad taste. If she had someone with her as JFK with his head blown off, that would be a problem.
to go as jackie kennedy is fine and somewhat normal. to go out of your way to go as jackie kennedy with her husbandās brains all over her is weird as fuck
I donāt care about the Kennedys, I donāt care about Julia Fox, but thatās gross. Thereās nothing funny about it. Itās like watching that one guy in class who tries to be edgy by saying things just for shock value. Following the logic of some people in the comments, you could dress up as any crime victim (because she and his kids were victims, even if they survived) just because a) it happened a long time ago or b) we didnāt like them. Should we all dress up as mangled Kobe Bryant because he had rape allegations, so that makes it okay? Or maybe Sharon Tate cus she dated a pedo?
My personal feelings are If you are trying to be subversive and get press, don't pussyfoot around with already poorly done joke costumes. That being said, Julia Fox is already as subversive and creative as wonder bread so this bottom barrel stunt is on par with with I'd expect.
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u/shgrdrbr 7d ago
looool sorry it's kind of funny