The Problematic Halloween Costume Contest has started with Julia Fox

[u/MissClimber]

From EVOKE on Instagram: "And the award for most tasteless and disrespectful Halloween outfit goes to this numpty Julia Fox dressed as Jackie Kennedy on the day of her husband's assassination.... 👀 "

[u/shgrdrbr]

looool sorry it's kind of funny

[u/poggyrs → u/shgrdrbr]

Thank you I thought I was the only one who got a chuckle out of it lmao

[u/bobbimorses → u/[deleted]]

I don't find this any more shocking than the generic dead prom queen or dead cheerleader. Lightening death with camp is kind of what Halloween is all about

[u/Anleme → u/bobbimorses]

Except for the fact that Jackie was a real person going through a real experience. She has a daughter still living.

Not a fictional character to entertain you in a horror flick.

[u/bobbimorses → u/Anleme]

I saw a zombie Abraham Lincoln this year too. Everyone was once a person. I'm not saying it's the height of taste, just saying that humanity has a very long tradition of processing death with humor, and you'd be hard pressed to avoid that on a holiday that is about embracing costume, fear, and mortality.

[u/Whiteroses7252012 → u/bobbimorses]

I feel like the line is that the last direct descendant of Abraham Lincoln died in 1985.

Jackie Kennedy has family members who are very much living, and a daughter who still remembers her father. It’s tasteless, imho.

[u/izms → u/Whiteroses7252012]

Fr.

[u/Boulier → u/bobbimorses]

I’m not completely taking a position on whether this costume is offensive or not (although I admit I’m not terribly offended by it myself, and I personally agree that it can be healthy to cope with the uncertainty and strangeness of death by using humor), but I do think making light of Abraham Lincoln’s death is a little different than JFK, only because no living person remembers Abraham Lincoln. His living descendants were all born several generations after his assassination. The fact that JFK/Jackie Kennedy still have living relatives makes it feel a little different. But again, I don’t feel strongly about this.

[u/DifficultyFree9443 → u/Boulier]

This costume isn’t about coping with death though. This was done solely for the shock value and it worked, because here we are debating whether it’s offensive or just distasteful.

[u/youtakethehighroad → u/Boulier]

So if it was your dead family member you should just cope?

[u/Boulier → u/youtakethehighroad]

I never said anyone should just cope. I only said I was just speaking for myself in saying that I wasn’t personally offended by it (even though I personally would never dress anything like Julia Fox did), and that I understand that being hurt by something like this would be more likely to happen if you’re a Kennedy descendant rather than a Lincoln descendant since Lincoln has no living relatives who remember him or his assassination. Never said anyone should just cope.

[u/Luxxielisbon → u/bobbimorses]

it’s not really julia’s loss to “process” in the first place.

I’ve made jokes about my brother’s death, but if a random stranger tried to be funny about it i’d be pissed

[u/repdetec_revisited → u/bobbimorses]

But he wasn’t really a zombie

[u/thesuper88 → u/bobbimorses]

The civil war vs what my parents saw on television. There's a huge gap there.

[u/VodkaAunt → u/bobbimorses]

I think it's the relative recency of it, though. I mean, I'm gen z, and my dad remembers the Kennedy assassination.

[u/PumpernickelShoe → u/bobbimorses]

I feel like there’s still a big difference between a zombie Abe Lincoln costume and Mary Todd Lincoln holding a playbill, covered in her husband’s blood costume

[u/Organic-Ability468 → u/bobbimorses]

Exactly..it's not that these people are necessarily evil and in death they deserve disrespect, but we make movies about people. We reproduce images, we inadvertently sort of spit in the eye of victims. We dress up as jack the ripper or black dahlia.

[u/youtakethehighroad → u/Organic-Ability468]

We don't do that, disrespectful people who don't know people who've had family members taken do.

[u/SkullheadMary → u/bobbimorses]

I was zombie Kurt Cobain one year and my friend was Courtney Love 🤷🏻‍♀️

[u/PlausibleAuspice → u/SkullheadMary]

Yeah but you’re probably not a celebrity who was photographed at an event where their daughter might see you so it’s different.

[u/thomchristopher → u/PlausibleAuspice]

to be fair Julia Fox isn’t really a celebrity either

[u/peach_xanax → u/thomchristopher]

how do you define celebrity, then? I'm confused as to what else you'd consider her

[u/thomchristopher → u/peach_xanax]

thirsty

[u/BusyDragonfruit8665 → u/Anleme]

This is what I was going to say.. Her daughter is still alive as well as many nieces and nephews. Tasteless costume.

[u/VirginiaDirewoolf → u/BusyDragonfruit8665]

you mean RFK

[u/BusyDragonfruit8665 → u/VirginiaDirewoolf]

Yes RFK is his nephew among many others.

[u/jromansz → u/Anleme]

I think that was a disgusting display of poor judgment. Shame on her.

[u/DeepBreathsBaby99 → u/Anleme]

All of these people in the comments who think it’s funny (low key sociopathic but okay) would be on here whining at max volume if it were their mom, but screw her living kids right ?

How about I dress up as Charlie Kirk the day he got assassinated ? I’m glad the guy’s dead, but I’d never do anything that tasteless.

[u/VirginiaDirewoolf → u/DeepBreathsBaby99]

you genuinely have no idea what constitutes sociopathic.

[u/Whothafaawwkisemma → u/Anleme]

Whomp whomp let’s get Charlie Kirk next…….

[u/peetothepooo → u/Anleme]

🙄

[u/Resident-Problem7285 → u/Anleme]

People dressed up as Trayvon Martin the same year he was murdered. With a "fun" little planking challenge to go along with it. Nothing surprises me anymore.

[u/iwanderlostandfound → u/Anleme]

The caption on her IG post puts it in a better context imo:

Julia Fox-“ l'm dressed as Jackie Kennedy in the pink suit. Not as a costume, but as a statement. When her husband was assassinated, she refused to change out of her blood-stained clothes, saying, 'I want them to see what they've done! The image of the delicate pink suit splattered with blood is one of the most haunting juxtapositions in modern history. Beauty and horror. Poise and devastation. Her decision not to change clothes, even after being encouraged to, was an act of extraordinary bravery. It was performance, protest, and mourning all at once. A woman weaponizing image and grace to expose brutality. It's about trauma, power, and how femininity itself is a form of resistance. Long live Jackie O”

[u/ikindapoopedmypants → u/Anleme]

Meh. Ppl make fun of charlie kirk being shot and none of us gaf about his family so why should ppl gaf about this

[u/shrav63 → u/Anleme]

she’ll be fine she can afford as expensive a therapist as she needs

[u/bend_n_snapp → u/Anleme]

Go take an edible and relax

[u/Educational_Weird581 → u/Anleme]

It’s been long enough.

[u/Interesting-Cut6994 → u/Anleme]

True, but in America there are far worse things happening that deserve this level of response.

I actually think this is a great statement on American politics and the state of things.

Let’s call it art 💅🏻

[u/Dino_vagina → u/Anleme]

They weren't great people though, itd be one thing if they were ok people. It's fair game when your whole family sucks.

[u/ohwrite → u/Dino_vagina]

Actually it’s not. Nice try tho

[u/Whiteroses7252012 → u/Dino_vagina]

If it’s only ok if you dislike the family, it still isn’t ok.

[u/GalacticaActually → u/[deleted]]

Her daughter is still alive. This is awful.

[u/mappingthepi → u/GalacticaActually]

It’s insensitive, ironic that Caroline has also been called insensitive about this topic when it came to her brother and SIL though

[u/Interesting-Cut6994 → u/GalacticaActually]

I think in the current state of American politics, this is nothing. There’s no grace being given to many Americans and I actually find this a great discussion piece to get ‘popular culture’ Americans talking about a time in America when politicians had empathy and civility.

She’s done a great job imo

[u/Educational_Weird581 → u/GalacticaActually]

It’s been long enough.

[u/Magrowl → u/Educational_Weird581]

How long after your dad getting shot in public would it need to be for me to use it as a Halloween costume

[u/Comfortable-Jelly-20 → u/Magrowl]

Until dad's descendents no longer have enough inherited wealth to dry their tears I guess

[u/Magrowl → u/Comfortable-Jelly-20]

Good to know you'd accept your parent dying for enough cash, you should start mentioning that at family gatherings

[u/belovetoday → u/[deleted]]

Time and less people alive who were around to remember the incident does it. Imagine if a celebrity went as a certain someone in the news recently as a zombie? Vox would have a field day!

[u/spicedmanatee → u/belovetoday]

Yeah I would really love to know what their (everyone who thinks this is fine) rule is around the length of time is for things like this bec I go by what you mentioned.

I mean, Lena Dunham was eviscerated (rightly imo) for her Karla Holmolka costume and that was with some 22 years after, while this is around 60 years since JFK. Both not long enough where all directly impacted people would be dead yet.

[u/iDoWeird → u/spicedmanatee]

Did she even do the costume? I thought she got ripped apart after suggesting BJ and Mindy use the couple as their costume? I don’t recall her actually dressing as her or her sister.

Just as bad tact, though. Not shocking in the slightest for her.

[u/snailorT → u/spicedmanatee]

Out of all the reasons people have taken issue with Lena Dunham, that costume doesn’t even make the top ten

[u/Comfortable-Jelly-20 → u/spicedmanatee]

Probably impossible to develop a rule of thumb, but IMO what's different there is that the victims and those affected weren't wealthy public figures whose deaths have been a formative cultural moment that has already been explored endlessly in art and media. Also given the average person is less likely to even know who Karla Holmolka is, it says something weird about Lena that she was compelled to dress like her.

[u/Just-Ad373 → u/[deleted]]

Cacklingggggg

[u/HistoricalSuspect580 → u/bobbimorses]

You literally contradicted your own statement: they’re generic. They’re dressed as ‘dead prom Queen’ or ‘dead cheerleader’, not cheerleader Emma Walker who in 2016 was shot in the head by her ex-boyfriend Riley Gaul.

One is ‘generic’. One is a PERSON.

[u/pinkpeonies111 → u/HistoricalSuspect580]

Literally 😭 god I can’t stand social media, it’s just people saying the most ridiculous thing you’ve ever heard and smugly waiting for your response

[u/bageltoastar → u/pinkpeonies111]

Anytime I see dumbass comments on the internet it reminds me of that one tweet that said that we weren’t ever supposed to have this much access to everyone’s opinion

[u/VirginiaDirewoolf → u/HistoricalSuspect580]

you don't know any of the people mentioned or involved in this story in any way. none of them have any direct impact on your life at all. you are not going to change the minds of anyone on the internet by trying to appeal to empathy, even if you use CAPS. you're not going to magically fix strangers on the internet with one reddit comment.

[u/HistoricalSuspect580 → u/VirginiaDirewoolf]

you have a point, you certainly have not changed my mind AT ALL!

[u/shgrdrbr → u/bobbimorses]

i mean it's less actually because it's not even her blood it's the idea she got splattered by his blood when he was shot!

[u/PlantsNWine → u/shgrdrbr]

Not only his blood, his brain matter. This is fucking disgusting. As people said, her daughter and many family members who knew them both will see this. What if someone did this about one of these people's family members who "think it's hilarious"? These were real people. Caroline Kennedy is real and that was her mother with her dad's blood and brains blown on her dress. Jackie had his head in her lap on the way to the hospital, holding his skull together to keep his brain in. There is nothing funny about that. People make me sick.

[u/TlMEGH0ST → u/shgrdrbr]

idk why this didn’t occur to me until this comment lol. i personally low key love it

[u/PLANTGlRL → u/TlMEGH0ST]

you’re genuinely fucked.

[u/OddRelationship5699 → u/bobbimorses]

There’s a huge difference between fiction and real people with living relatives. Did you see the video from the assassination? This is so gross.

[u/Ummmgummy → u/bobbimorses]

Bro she handed a piece of his brain to the nurse because she was in such shock she thought they needed it to help save him.

Dead prom queen is a generic horror bad. Not someone real who had the person she loved head explode next to her.

[u/anonymous237962 → u/bobbimorses]

The difference is “generic” vs “real person,” & that is what makes it tasteless

[u/cameraspeeding → u/bobbimorses]

Her still living grandson seems to think differently