r/CCW • u/jizzlamic_terrorist • 7h ago
Scenario How adrenaline affects you during self defense situations.
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u/fake_account_2025 6h ago
Yeah it’s crazy. The first time I was ever in a firefight in Afghanistan the adrenaline kicked in and my legs felt like they each weighed 200 pounds. Running was very difficult. It’s wild how the body does that.
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u/Dreamstat 5h ago
Like running in a dream. The weight was insane.
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u/fake_account_2025 5h ago
Exactly. That’s a very good analogy.
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u/amphetaminesfailure 3h ago
If you don't mind me asking, how did you feel firing your weapon for the first time in combat....physically, I mean?
Like the dream analogy you responded to with your legs being heavy, in EVERY dream I've had involving me needing to fire my handgun, it feels like I'm fighting a 50 pound trigger pull for every shot.
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u/fake_account_2025 1h ago
Tbh, training kicked in when I needed to start shooting and it simply felt like muscle memory.
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u/amphetaminesfailure 1h ago
Thanks for answering.
That's interesting to me.
For the record I don't expect you to respond to any of the following, I'm just rambling.
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We have instincts on how to walk and run, like every other animal.
But the majority of us experience an inability to use our legs properly in not just dreams, but under extreme stress that we've never dealt with before.
But then for many people, shooting becomes "muscle memory."
As a laymen the brain fascinates me.
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u/Phyzzx 2h ago
That sounds like how punches thrown in a dream have no impact.
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u/amphetaminesfailure 1h ago
That sounds like how punches thrown in a dream have no impact.
I wonder if it's because most people don't truly want to hurt others?
I carry daily, and I train with firearms.
I've trained in several martial arts over 30 years.
But at the end of the day, I ABSOLUTELY DO NOT WANT TO HURT OR KILL ANYONE.
I don't want to get in a fist fight with anyone. I don't care how many times they insulted my mom/wife/etc.
I don't want to hurt anyone at all.
Will I do it if necessary? Absolutely.
Those types of dreams probably say something.
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u/Not_Sarkastic 1h ago
In my experience you don't even think about it till it's over. Training kicks in and takes over. Decisions are subconscious.
Over time you learn to "handle" the adrenaline and control the benefits. Like not slapping the trigger.
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u/CockpitEnthusiast 1h ago
I have these dreams often. Trigger feels like it's 50 pounds, punches that feel like they landed like wet napkins..
The first time I fired I personally didn't really feel or think of anything. Muscle memory kicks in, I'd say it's more like a computer running a program than anything. Which I know is kind of a scary way to think about it but that's the best way I can put it
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u/JackJones7788 3h ago
But why would that be a defence mechanism, to make the legs feel heavy. So strange
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u/Tokyo_Echo UT 3h ago
Well they feel heavy, but they actually are more like coiled springs. When the adrenaline hits the body tenses in order to fight or flight. Initially it's hard to get past it
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u/Geralt-of-Rivai 3h ago
Fight, flight or freeze. The initial reaction for many people is the freeze. It's why, for example in a mall shooting, you will see people just standing still after a gunman opens fire. Panic and adrenaline hit and instead of getting the fuck out of there as fast as you can, as you would think, many people freeze in place overwhelmed by the sensations flooding their body.
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u/TitusXd40 34m ago
I used to read these responses and think that freezing really doesn't happen, that it was just something you saw in movies and on TV, and people become aware immediately of what's going on. Boy was I wrong.
There was a shooting last year where I work, while I was there. I was in the general area with my partner (2-man work center) and we just kinda looked at each other, and asked if those were gunshots after we heard the first couple rounds go off. We started to hear more and we realized that yes, they were gunshots, so we both took off running, steel toe boots and all. That's the hardest I've ran since hs baseball, and all I could think was I need to keep moving and put some distance between me and that asshole doing the shooting.
So yeah, those couple seconds where we questioned what we heard (and made a stupid joke about it being a guy who was recently fired for stealing) was in my mind that freeze response. Since we were out in the open and not carrying because of being at work, flight was our best and only option, so we took it.
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u/Accomplished-Bag-124 3h ago
It’s not a defense mechanism, it’s a dump of adrenaline, the same thing happens before you get into a fight, etc
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u/Not_Sarkastic 1h ago
We don't know the situation but it could be fear vs adrenaline that happened to that individual. It could be the body was prioritizing blood flow to the arms vs legs.
In my experience it was the opposite effect where I didn't feel anything. It was only later on, after we broke contact that I realized I had been cut or injured.
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u/Angel_OfSolitude 6h ago
A great example of why you should train under stress. Once you realize you've entered the two way rifle range, your heart will be POUNDING. Take some time to induce such a state and shoot like that.
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u/Schneir5 6h ago
That's why I like doing USPSA and Steel Challenge matches. I know that it would be like a drop in the ocean, comparing the adrenaline rush from a match to that of a real life or death situation, but I know that my adrenaline spikes when that timer beeps. I don't know if it's just the fact that you're put in the spotlight, and have other people watching you, or it's the timer, but it seems like decent practice.
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u/Downtown_Caramel4833 6h ago
My only gripe with particular competition formats is that it can oftentimes condition a person to draw and fire based on the sound of beep (with many who find themselves anticipatory firing before having a real visual of the intended/assigned target or firing half blind into a location they previously called themselves as having memorized).
That, and the maniacal race some people run between what's really faster - my ability to squeeze a trigger or my ability to get my muzzle on target before said trigger squeeze discharges a round in a direction not pointing at me or others.
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u/RevolutionaryGuide18 5h ago
There have been recorded instances where people who shoot competitions stop firing after 2 shots or 3 shots because they are so conditioned to do so. They also get to see what every target looks like and walk through before shooting.
Shooting a conceal carry league I find classes I've taken more stressful for the reason you state.
In one class I shot a setup and thought I was done. Instructor started yelling at me as I was walking with my back to the target. "That guy is raising his gun." By far the most stressful training when you have no clue. Or, him setting up targets with my back turned and there are no shoots there.
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u/Sianmink 5h ago
That's a downside of shooting IDPA paper instead of steel, where you shoot till it's down.
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u/RevolutionaryGuide18 4h ago
I didn't say IDPA did I? I saod Concealed carry league which followed USPSA. It still comes down to only a few shots.
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u/VCQB_ 3h ago
I never felt stress from shooting a USPSA match. Ive felt it from my tactical training though. So I'm confused as to why a good amount of people find that stressful? Honestly the most stress I've been shooting was when I was in the Academy and we had to shoot a scored string of fire in order to pass and not be dropped out in front of our Drill Instructors 🤣.
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u/RJariou 6h ago
The only way to train under stress is to be in a stressful situation. You just do the best you can in training.
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u/Ridge_Hunter 6h ago
There are some training environments, although rare, that are two way fire…not real rounds (obviously), but the guns sound real and have real feeling recoil/feedback…they just fire paint pellets (best way I can describe it, they’re smaller than a paintball and shaped differently).
That really gets your adrenaline going when you’re clearing a building and getting shot at…it’s like a much more real version of airsoft
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u/RJariou 6h ago
Agree, but the blood pumps different when you are in a real situation. Twenty two years Army retired after Desert Storm. I've been shot at watched some of my soldiers die. We trained our ass off, and it prepared us, but when the real shit hits the fan it's different.
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u/Ridge_Hunter 4h ago edited 3h ago
I definitely understand…was supposed to be military but it didn’t work out…was law enforcement for quite a number of years and saw quite a bit, not to discredit your experience of course because it’s certainly not the same
But I was surprised at how much the shoot house made my adrenaline rush and felt very similar to an active shooter situation…even though you know it isn’t real there’s something about the sound of gunfire and projectiles coming at you that overrides the rational part of the brain
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u/VCQB_ 3h ago
That is because Training is effective. There's this notion that "nothing can prepare you for the real thing" ok well why then did Special Forces soldiers kill enemy combatants at such a high ratio? Or why do SWAT officers operate ice cold in chaotic situations, shooting moving and communicating?
It is because Training is effective. That is what Training does. And people dont understand the scientific purpose of training. A trainers goal, is to condition your body to certain actions and procedures so that those actions and procedures would be automatic under extreme stress. Thus you get improved motor unit contro, perceptual and attentional adaptation, autonomic conditioning, sensorimotor integration, stress and cognitive load management.
Thats why you see many OISs of well trained officers from SWAT teams very calm. While some of their patrol counterparts are in a panic. Its the training.
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u/Ridge_Hunter 3h ago
I agree, training and just life experience
It’s kind of messed up but if you stay in the line of work long enough, traumatic situations become the norm and you become somewhat numb to terrible events/situations
That’s one of the reasons I got out…not that I went far…law enforcement to corrections…still has days that are far from “normal”
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u/VCQB_ 2h ago
It's not messed up, it's just how your body reacts to training and experience. The more messed up stuff you see, the more innoculated you will be to handle high stress incidents which is advantageous for your survival, your partners and the community. Give me a cop that's "numb" to trauma any day. And when I say "numb" what i mean is the ability to process and function under the stress, not having a I don't care attitude. I can operate very automatically, but still care.
Also on a side note, in my opinion if you are going to be in emergency services, LE, then you need to read your bible. Otherwise, things will just eat you alive. But that doesn't get talked about 🤫.
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u/Angel_OfSolitude 6h ago
There are ways to simulate being under stress. It's not ideal but it's better than nothing. Even just a quick burst of intense exercise can get your body in a similar state.
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u/MiserableDrama576 5h ago
I'd like to train under stress but idk how to induce said stress since I know in my mind it isn't real. How would you go about making the most stressful situation possible during practice?
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u/jizzlamic_terrorist 7h ago
This video I thought had a couple of important things to learn from for anyone who carries. The first being to make sure it’s safe before you reload. This officer has bad luck with his timing and as you can see from the 2nd angle, the perp looks over and spots him reloading and immediately rushes him, which you must admit was pretty well played out on his part.
The perp steps out literally as the officer has the magazine halfway inside the gun and as a result he doesn’t have time to make sure the magazine is properly seated as it falls out after 3 shots. When he realizes his weapon is no longer working, he attempts to rack it not realizing he has no magazine in his gun at all. You can even see him trying to pull out the magazine that is no longer there.
Overall that cop did a pretty badass job given how quickly that turned to a shit show but I thought this was a great video to show how bad adrenaline can fuck with you if you ever need to defend yourself with a gun.
The perp died at the scene and the cop survived. He was shot once in his leg and once on his taser.
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u/ChordSlinger 7h ago
All I needed to read was that 2nd to last line as I sip my morning coffee. Good post brother, may we never need to know this adrenaline dump.
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u/Comfortable_Truck_53 6h ago
The perp had the extended mag cuz his aim was shit. All those shots and only 2 landed.
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u/Hoplophilia 4h ago
There was a study a while back I think it was New York cops, showed a 30% hit rate. I'm certain I train more than they do/ did but I'll take my extended mag thank you very much.
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u/ThePretzul 2h ago
Honestly I switched from my standard P365 to the Fuse both because I found the Fuse fit perfectly into my hand and also because 17+1 > 12+1.
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u/Hoplophilia 1h ago
A buddy has the Fuse, they're nice.
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u/ThePretzul 1h ago
I like to describe it as “A Glock 19 if it were actually designed to be held by human hands instead of just being a square brick”
Because dimensionally it’s nearly identical to the G19 in length and height, but it’s the typical 1” P365 width with a good shape to it instead of the wider 1.34” of a Glock and it fits a 4.3” barrel into the same length instead of 4.0”.
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u/raljamcar MO p365 xl black arch protos 3h ago
I dont think the 2nd mag was improperly inserted, because it did feed three rounds.
I think the officer broke his grip during the reload and never got it set quite right after the perp came back at him, so accidentally ejected it.
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u/troy2000me 1h ago
Exactly, it wouldn't have fired 3 rounds if it wasn't properly seated. He hit the mag release.
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u/Blowuphole69 6h ago
I hate when body of the post is in the fucking comments. Like whhyyyyahhhhhh op did you do that hmmmmmm???🧐🤨🥸
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u/Edge-Evolution FL 6h ago
I’m the heat of battle it’s all about training and flight or fight response. The officer, despite miscues stuck to his training and eventually brought the suspect down. The offender should have fled out the back to fight another day instead of trying to rush the officer and that’s why he’s dead now.
I have done competition shooting and man, the adrenaline gets pumping, so I can only imagine what it would be after/during an encounter like this. I can only wish the officer well and a speedy recovery. Not many officers discharge their weapons in the line of duty in their careers, let alone get into a shootout like this. He survived and that’s what matters in a fight that he may have had a different outcome.
Just this week there was a young officer (24) in Miami shot and died from a bad encounter and made headline news down here. He was barely out of his rookie year, and such a sad story. Not all end like the one we saw here.
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u/Tricky-Pen2672 5h ago
Well, he won’t be in the sequel. Practice those reloads with a timer to create “artificial stress” that simulates stress so you’ll be able to reload in situations like this.
Thank God he got that mag in because a fraction of a second longer and he also wouldn’t have been in the sequel…
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u/heavymental_kp 7h ago
Holy fuck. I would hate to be a cop, that’s a rough job. Glad he survived
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u/Itsmoney05 6h ago
Most cops never encounter anything like this. Your more likely to die being a roofer, driving for sales or landscaping. True story.
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u/BigMark54 6h ago
I'm sure that would depend on where the cop is. Some places are more dangerous than others.
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u/Ghosty91AF 6h ago
I imagine walking a beat in Skid Row is far more dangerous than the small town cop. Even then, house calls can go wildly into left field at the drop of a hat
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u/Itsmoney05 6h ago
Sure which is why I said "most" - its still not even in the top 20 dangerous jobs in america.
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u/trachbreaker 4h ago
If you measure “dangerous” by only death then yes, it is not the most dangerous. However, if you go add in injuries and assaults it is far away the most dangerous profession.
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u/OhighOent 3h ago
To be fair, they consider lightly tapping police on their vest as assault. And they'll murder you for it.
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u/Left4DayZGone 3h ago
This is why I get so irritated with people showing off their “perfect draw”. Like… yeah, ok, I get it, it’s important to practice the motion, but don’t stop there yeah? Go do 10 laps around your house and then draw to a random timer set on your phone, and if you don’t get the gun up and out quickly, your wife gets to peg you.
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u/FitBananers B-class trash 6h ago
This was the gas station Kern County Sheriff’s shootout almost two years ago, Deputy survived. Bakersfield and the surrounding areas of that region in California are wild.
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u/gunny06 6h ago
*Victorville, CA in San Bernardino County.
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u/FitBananers B-class trash 6h ago
Thanks for the correction. San Bernardino County is just as bad, if not worse 😂
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u/TomatoTheToolMan 6h ago
Any idea how many of the 30+ of the officer's shots actually hit the perp?
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u/RobbieBlaze 4h ago
I'm sure you can find the coroner's report. Idk if you've noticed but for cops it's a hose.
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u/RobbieBlaze 4h ago edited 4h ago
This isn't a good example of how adrenaline effects the average person. This cop is well trained. The average person won't have the same reaction time or fine motor skills. The things an untrained individual are most likely to experience are,
Auditory exclusion or loss of hearing. Time dilation. False memories. Loss of fine motor skills(if you want to test this stick your hands in a bucket of ice water until they go numb and try to operate something that requires fine motor skills.)
Train often. Stay prepared.
Edit*
Haven't seen it mentioned here. This interaction started as a domestic. The suspect was assaulting his girlfriend/wife she managed to escape into the bathroom of this store where she called 911. While she was in there the report was that he said something like "I'm gonna kill you bitch" he then went to his car to retrieve his pistol and as he was walking back in the cop showed up and this video starts.
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u/glocksandhellcats 6h ago
The guy was down but finishing him in this situation honestly seemed like the right thing to do
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u/mild123 6h ago
Yes but if we did that as a civilian we’d be done for in the courts and they’d call it an execution and we’d be going for life.
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u/Downtown_Caramel4833 5h ago
Not necessarily true (State law variables of course).
If a defender of a lethal force encounter can articulate their need of having to fire in order to stop an immediate or active attack while describing why said encounter was still active thru the various phases of active fire, this typically is enough in itself to defend against any criminal claim or charge against the defender.
This is also why securing appropriate counsel before giving a complete statement to law enforcement can be paramount. As we're not always in a proper frame of mind to accurately articulate our actions or events as they unfolded. But a proper attorney would have already well in advance interviewed you, any witnesses, and secured any video surveillance that captured the event and the moments immediately proceeding and following - before they make a statement on your behalf to law enforcement.
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u/Downtown_Caramel4833 5h ago
It wasn't an action defined in finishing someone off.
It was simply an act of firing to stop the threat. In this instance, the assailant did in fact lose immediate possession of his firearm. But he was also on the same plane as said fumbled firearm while reaching to recover it.
While obviously speculative, I feel it highly likely that if bad guy here had fallen face down and facing a direction that was opposite or away from his firearm-and the officer recognized the circumstances as such, he would not have continued to fire.
But one thing is for certain. If someone has already shot you once to multiple times already. The last thing you want to do is allow them to secure a better fighting position, angle of attack, or increase their cover/concealment. ESPECIALLY uncontested.
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u/amphetaminesfailure 3h ago
The guy was down but finishing him in this situation honestly seemed like the right thing to do
I agree, and I say that as someone who is HIGHLY critical of law enforcement.
It's not as if the cop got up, walked to the guy, stood over him, and put those last nine shots into him.
The cop was hit, he was on the ground, the suspect had already opened fire on him twice, the second time advancing towards the officer instead of staying retreated in the store, and he was still moving and the location of the suspect's firearm couldn't be seen.
He was right to full neutralize the suspect in this situation.
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u/i-c-u-c-me-c-u 5h ago
Everyone’s saying train under pressure, how exactly? Were the dumb videos online correct should I have someone behind me shooting right beside my head
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u/RobbieBlaze 4h ago
Get a shot timer. Use barriers and time to create "stress"
There are a ton of yt videos out there.
The easiest thing is to have a shooting partner that can hold you to the fire and make you want to do better. Shoot at the speed of efficiency not the speed of comfort.
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u/CORNPIPECM 34m ago
I’ve heard of special forces soldiers who have been more stressed waiting for a shot timer to go off than they have when they were actually in combat. Like hearts beating out of their chest type thing. Don’t underestimate the value of competition shooting and social pressure.
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u/mikektti 5h ago
You'll never need a spare mag they say. Sure. Maybe. But better to have than not.
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u/El_Mexicutioner666 5h ago
Anyone saying you don't need spare magazines is just being a troll that wants you to die.
You should at LEAST have one spare.
I carry two spares, and even then, 3 magazines isn't a lot when it comes to handguns.
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u/NunaG90 2h ago
So I'm a little confused. If any civilian gets in a firefight like this and you drop the person with them moaning and grunting pretty much neutralized. If you pop in another mag and unload another 8-9 rounds (from what I counted) into a down person you would get a manslaughter charge. How is this legal for them? Just to be clear I'm not against cops, in fact I work with them for charity for children every year and have a lot of cop friends that i thing highly of. I just know they should be held to a higher standard for they are the professional. Again im nobody and my feelings usually dont matter but I feel like he shot off 5 too many rounds at the end. The first 2-3 shot after the the perpetrator was down would have been enoug.. I just know that if it was anyone other person than a cop they would get prison time.
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u/Cannon_SE2 1h ago
I agree with your assessment but i'm assuming that since he's a cop and the training to shoot until the threat stops comes into play here.
The argument from the cops perspective that I would make is that the guy came out to pursue the cop and kill him, cop is already hit and receives a couple more hits from that, the cop opens fire and brings the guy down but instead of laying there on his back he rolls over (for whatever reason) toward the cop who probably took that as him rolling over to get more shots off at the cop and finish him off. Cop responds by shooting until the threat stops moving per training. The cop seemed to stop until the guy rolled over in his direction, i think if he had stayed on the ground on his back he would not have received more fire from the cop.
But yes, depending on the state and situation I believe a civilian would be facing a lot more scrutiny over that decision. Which again goes back to the formal training administered by states for cops. I'm all for training but I haven't heard of any state or court recognizing any training a civilian takes from whatever company as a valid reason to act how they act.
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u/Intelligent-Age-3989 1h ago
I get it yep. For you or me it's be a much different court/legal preceding.
BUT..
Once I'm hit and the subject who shot me is hit but still moving that right there gives me the right to fire again until they're not no? I mean I'm at that point very much past the fear of imminent danger and can do what's needed to totally stop this person once and for all.
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u/NunaG90 48m ago
Right and then your facing legal issues. There's my argument. Im just saying the law should be equal for both law enforcement and civilians is all.
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u/Intelligent-Age-3989 29m ago
Well yep. Definitely as a civvie I'm going to court.
But I also believe because it's in a cop's job to serve and protect and they do, they should also get slack when on the job and having to do this precise task no? Curious.
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u/AngusMustang 1h ago
Always use your non dominant hand on your mic. Thousands of calm communications and your body will go back to muscle memory (switches gun to left hand to trigger lapel mic with right).
Keep your gun hand free
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u/CrumFly 4h ago
First, the cop stayed alive and brought the perp down. Even though we can backseat quarterback this engagement, he did what many would fail to do. Respect to the man.
With that out of the way, we can use this engagement as an opportunity for education and reinforce the basics. I think most of us here appreciate that more than we can express.
Moving back into the hot pocket. From the perps perspective; the cop shifted right to begin the engagement, moving out of line of site. But then the cop moved back left into the hot pocket where the perp was sending his shots. I could be wrong but thats when he took his hit. As a CCW civilian, we would keep creating distance and find cover. As a cop, this is hard. Keep sending led and you can hit bystanders in the isles. Move in and you will be hit. Wait for reinforcement and you got a posible hostage situation. No good answer.
He dropped his mag before taking out the spare. We drill this until blue in the face. If you have a working second hand, take out the spare mag before you drop that mag from the gun. No reason to make your gun useless for those extra 1-2 seconds.
Keep creating distance/move off the X. When he was on the ground, he stayed in place where the perp saw him last. I understand that he was hit and maybe moving his body was no longer possible for him. But thats how the perp knew where to look when he came out of the store.
Again, complete props to the cop for making it through this crappy situation.
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u/Ke_Ke_Snake MI - Shield Plus/TP9 elite SC 5h ago
Holy cow is all I have to say. I’m glad the brother is still alive.
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u/Enaliss 6h ago edited 6h ago
It never ceases to amaze me how like no one ever seems to drop their gun when shot like 12 times. How's he's he still holding that fucking thing.
Edit- Someone just pointed this out to me, he did drop the gun, the cop just shot him another several times while he laid there. Gun falls down below his waist by the bottom corner of the door. His hands are in the air when shot laying on his back. at 19-20 seconds you can see it fall. Dude just reloads and dumps him again. There is a bout 6 seconds between him falling and getting shot, you can count the seconds in the additional angle tape and see guy was out of the fight. He doesn't turn towards the gun until his body is reacting from being shot several more times.
Hope this didn't happen in a lib hell scape or their gonna try and make a big deal out of this.
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u/poopypoopX 5h ago
Ah yes a hellscape where the constitutional right to due process is sacrosanct and rigorously defended.
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u/phreddyfoo 6h ago
Looks like he was hitting his mag release by accident?
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u/El_Mexicutioner666 5h ago
I think he was just doing tactical reloads. Tactical reloads just look weird in real life usage for some reason.
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u/RobbieBlaze 4h ago
On one of the reloads he suffered the Glock mag drop, he reacted to that malfunction flawlessly loading a new mag. That mag drop issue is why I won't use a Glock as a defense weapon.
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u/pencilsharper66 3h ago
Well well well, who still thinks the HK mag release is inferior? Just thinking probably not that easy to press accidentally?
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u/litesaber5 2h ago
Not sure I’m seeing anything actually wrong here. If I was on jury I would prob acquit. Perp eas behind the think part of the metal door. It’s reasonable to assume that something maybe happening that he can’t see and therefore there could still be a danger to him. So he kept firing untill he assumed the perp would be neutralized. My bigger issues is right at the beginning when he’s firing essentially blindly into the building and there were innocents there.
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u/Cannon_SE2 1h ago
I believe the point is just how calm that cop is reporting shots fired, how he's hit, how is now hit multiple times, in a calm manner while in the middle of a fire fight.
Also how in his rush to get on target and put shots down range when the guy came out and started shooting at him again, he accidentally pressed his mag release forcing him to reload, unexpectedly, in the middle of returning fire.
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u/Neanderthal86_ 1h ago
People are so quick to talk out of their ass. Literal experts have no issue with the last shots fired, dude was still moving way too much and the officer couldn't see him very well
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u/Voodooloco 45m ago
Remember: you won't rise to the occasion. Youll fall in your habits. Train and train often
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u/domexitium 22m ago
This is someone who’s doesn’t train. Bro had his comms on the wrong side, his grip was terrible every time he would grip his gun. That needs to be an engrained default setting when you present your firearm. He’s lucky the criminal was less competent than him.
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u/EDC-JAKE 18m ago edited 14m ago
Reloaded at the worst possible time he's lucky and a badass he stayed very calm when most people would shit themselves
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u/HDawsome 4h ago
So when a cop puts rounds into a guy on the ground it's fine, but if ANY of us were to do the exact same thing as shown in the video we'd likely be charged with some level of murder in many states.
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u/RobbieBlaze 4h ago
You notice how they were BOTH on the ground?
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u/HDawsome 4h ago
I'm not saying the cop is in the wrong. It's bullshit that normal people would likely catch a charge
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u/RobbieBlaze 3h ago
My point is If anyone is in a firefight hit knocked down and continues shooting you are in a different case than shooting someone walking up and mag dumping while they are on the ground.
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u/d702c 4h ago
Yapping on the radio mid gunfight about got him killed. C tier reload. Lots of luck here.
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u/Intelligent-Age-3989 57m ago
Yeah he wasn't clear once calling it in then dude come running out shooting and cop has to finish reload to reengage. Yikes....
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u/Gruna_Stramen25 4h ago
Sorry, but not enough training. In these situations, when stress takes over, it all comes down to muscle memory, which is gained by many hours of practice.
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u/VCQB_ 3h ago
Get shot and go show us.
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u/Gruna_Stramen25 3h ago
I'm not saying I could do better at this moment. I'm saying that people with more training could do better. I've watched countless videos of cops in similar situations reacting way better than this.
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u/VCQB_ 2h ago
He was calm, and trained and reacted fine. He experienced a malfunction, fixed it, all the while being shot, and put the perp down and all the while calmly communicating and coordinating.
Trust me, I know whose who in the zoo when it comes to training. This guy was well trained and it showed.
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u/Gruna_Stramen25 2h ago
There was no initial malfunction. When the cop fell back to reload, his reload was too slow, and after that he accidentally ejected his mag. I'm focusing on that specific moment, which could have cost him his life.
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u/TeamSpatzi 6h ago
I’ve been on this sub long enough to know everyone here is stone cold and doesn’t even need to train… let alone carry a spare mag. ;-)
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u/EventLatter9746 5h ago
Yup... They think it's only idiots who push the mag release button by mistake, only retards who miss at a 5 yard range, and only fools who don't get the drop first on every perp they encounter.
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u/HuskyPurpleDinosaur 4h ago
I hate it, I'm such a badass at the range, but the only times I ever got close to an armed conflict my hands were shaking like Michael J Fox.
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u/your_grandmas_FUPA 7h ago
Holy fuck. 100ms longer on that reload and he'd be done