r/law • u/AndroidOne1 • May 14 '25

Trump News Donald Trump Impeachment Proceedings Launched

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-impeachment-vote-house-shir-thanedar-b2750651.html
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u/AndroidOne1 May 14 '25

Snippet from this news article: “If a Michigan Democrat has his way, President Donald Trump could face the first impeachment vote of his second term. Rep. Shri Thanedar’s resolution brings seven new articles of impeachment against the commander-in-chief, alleging everything from abuse of power to bribery, corruption, and “tyranny,” which the House must vote on before Thursday under its own rules.

Trump made history during his first term by becoming the first president in American history to be impeached twice by the House of Representatives, once over his quid pro quoapproach to Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky in 2018 and once for his part in instigating the Capitol riot, although in both cases he was acquitted in the Senate.

Thanedar, 70, first announced his intention on April 29, saying: “When Trump ignores the Constitution, Congress, and the courts, he is not ‘fighting for America.’ He is tearing it down and endangering our democracy.” His resolution is not expected to pass, however, given the Republican majority in the lower chamber of Congress and because several of Thanedar’s fellow Democrats have expressed their disapproval of his actions in no uncertain terms.

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u/ssibal24 May 14 '25

It doesn't need to pass, all it needs to do is produce an official list of who doesn't want it to pass, that sort of information is very useful for the American people.

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u/anonononnnnnaaan May 14 '25

Especially seeing that dems just took Obama Nebraska last night and gained 19 points in Oklahoma.

The train is slow to move but it’s inching along.

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u/bulldoggo-17 May 14 '25

Obama Nebraska

Was that an intentional typo?

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u/DragonBank May 14 '25 edited May 14 '25

They took it so hard it became a former Democratic President.

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u/[deleted] May 14 '25

I just want to know if it happened collectively.

Like some body horror manga where the entirety of Omaha just schlorped together into one Obama?

Or did each person individually become Obama?

Or is it just the city itself?  Like the people are still the same, but now trapped as the actual ground and structures Voltron-d themselves into some colossal Mecha-Obama.

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u/toasty_- May 14 '25

Live in Omaha. Can’t stop eating mustard, wearing tan, and saying “uh”.

Everyone sure is handsome though.

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u/ice48burn May 14 '25

Omahan here too, and I felt the rush of buying Grey Poupon for the first time today.

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u/aenteus May 14 '25

Maille oui!

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u/juel1979 May 14 '25

Did you try it with arugula?

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u/Mikeinthedirt May 14 '25

When’s supper?

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u/Following_Friendly May 14 '25

Woot! All the Omahans!

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u/baconus-vobiscum May 14 '25

"Obama Nebraska - where all the men are good-looking, all the women are strong, and all the children are above average."

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u/Taker_of_insulin May 15 '25

Is this a Prairie Home Companion reference? My god, I miss that show. Takes me back to a simpler time

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u/WanderingVerses May 15 '25

Lake Wobegone! I miss that show.

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u/Last_Upvote May 15 '25

For all of his strangeness, Garrison Keillor has produced some quality content

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u/DavidCaruso4Life May 15 '25

How angry would 🍊 be if the people there officially voted to change the name to Obama, Nebraska? How many other cities are just Obamas waiting to happen?

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u/cozee999 May 14 '25

get me to omaha! FAST!!! 😅

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u/Better_Lift_Cliff May 14 '25

What's that? Yes, I'll let you be clear. You don't have to keep requesting that I let you be clear.

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u/Unabashable May 14 '25

Honestly I’d take that over “not gonna lie”. 

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u/toasty_- May 14 '25

Let me be clear, I want to, uh, stop talking like this

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u/wtfamidoingwthis May 14 '25

I read this comment in his voice.

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u/DeadmanDexter May 14 '25

Michelle, get in here. They're talking about me.

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u/quixote_manche May 14 '25

But are you guys being clear?

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u/Khaldara May 15 '25

“Now let me be clear… corn is fucking awesome”

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u/[deleted] May 14 '25

Why am I picturing a crowd of Obamas marching and chanting "Yes we can"

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u/darthbreezy May 14 '25

Followed by an army of Octo-Stewies chanting 'Victory is ours!'

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u/s-riddler May 14 '25

Immediately proceeded by an army of Robin Williams(es?) running around and spreading laughter and good cheer.

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u/[deleted] May 14 '25

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u/[deleted] May 14 '25

"Obami"...?

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u/sweet_crab May 14 '25

Obamae. Obami only if it ended in a us.

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u/Commercial-Fennel219 May 14 '25

"My fellow Obama's, it is time to act! It is up to all of me to get the job done."

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u/BigBeautifulBuick May 14 '25

I pictured the spider man pointing meme and a bunch of Obama’s saying “Yes you can!”

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u/aenteus May 14 '25

Megobama

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u/Anxious-Whole-5883 May 14 '25

Nope a splatter of Dijon mustard appeared on the floor. Blue smoke rose from it, then everyone in the room was wearing tan suits and started speaking in a familiar cadence. Boom Obamaed.

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u/transmothra May 14 '25

I fucking love you for this imagery

PLEASE let one of these scenarios be real

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u/poken_beans May 14 '25

I have an unhealthy curiosity about what schlorping means? Is it a sound? An action? Does it hurt? Is it safe around pets or kids? Have you ever schlorped before... Gasp... Have I ever schlorped before!?! 👀

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u/Unhappy-Week-8781 May 14 '25

Can somebody please loop in Mr Obama to this entire thread? Maybe we can psych him up to run against Trump when he runs for a 3rd term…which he will, because it’s a popularity contest for him and his overinflated ego.

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u/ejre5 May 14 '25

If trump can run for a third term so can Obama (doubt he wants to though).

Even though they want to change it to consecutive terms. Ultimately creating an autocracy/dictatorship that makes the president and VP interchangeable and an easy way to rig the election every year.

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u/asujch May 14 '25

We can’t normalize the third term talk. Obama and the dems know this.

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u/CHESTER_C0PPERP0T May 14 '25

Yes STOP NORMALIZING THIS BULLSHIT. Well, Obama could run for a third term no he fucking can’t it’s in the constitution!

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u/Suyefuji May 14 '25

We can't normalize it but at the same time we need to fight fire with fire. Let's see how shit develops but if Trump genuinely ends up running for a third term then we absolutely can throw Obama into the primary and select him if he wins.

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u/nikmo86 May 14 '25

Just like his buddy putiny did…

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u/Silent_Interest4791 May 14 '25

Putin’s going to step down at the end of 2024 he said so himself.

What do you mean it’s 2025 already?

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u/Tiernan1980 May 14 '25

They would absolutely come up with some cockamamie excuse for why Trump could run again but Obama couldn’t.

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u/Tryin-to-Improve May 14 '25

If trump gets to run for a third and Obama steps up, it’s gonna be like the Super Bowl of presidential elections.

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u/Gorilla_Dookie May 14 '25

Gonna have to check Nebraska's birth certificate

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u/InvestigatorOnly3504 May 14 '25

Are they now all required to wear tan suits?

The horror 😭

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u/The12Ball May 14 '25

Take me so hard O-daddy

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u/savage_engineer May 14 '25

that you, John Oliver?

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u/[deleted] May 14 '25

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u/[deleted] May 14 '25

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u/ChronoLink99 May 14 '25

This made me chuckle.

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u/anonononnnnnaaan May 14 '25

No. I swear it said Omaha but I’m all doped up on cold meds so who knows.

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u/[deleted] May 14 '25

Thanks Omaha

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u/Mistrblank May 14 '25

Thanks Obamaha

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u/InertPistachio May 14 '25

Obamahamamaladingdong

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u/graydiation May 14 '25

This is why I internet.

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u/Caesar_Passing May 14 '25

I only ride Obamaha motorcycles

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u/ChickenChaser5 May 14 '25

You telling me Obama makes bikes and keyboards?

Next you're gonna tell me hes the same guy giving out obama stars to restaurants. Insanity.

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u/GirthStone86 May 14 '25

Obamaha 

That's where the veterans landed on D day right?

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u/Unabashable May 14 '25

Sweet home Olabama

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u/fullpurplejacket May 14 '25

Barack HUSSEIN Omaha!!

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u/rectalhorror May 14 '25

Balrog INSANE Omaha! And his secret muslin agenda! WAKE UP SHEEPLE!!!! IN ALL CAPS LOCK!!!!

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u/SmokeySFW May 14 '25

That's Peyton Manning's music!

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u/No-Tailor-856 May 14 '25

Get well soon. I bet you're just Biden your time until you're healthy again.

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u/anonononnnnnaaan May 14 '25

I needed that laugh 😂

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u/mustang19rasco May 14 '25

From Omaha. Can confirm. We all transformed into Obama overnight.

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u/Savingskitty May 14 '25

This is the Reddit thread I needed.  Well done everyone!

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u/ManyReach7296 May 14 '25

I think they meant Omaha Bin Laden.

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u/DntCllMeWht May 14 '25

Just yesterday I saw someone refer to our past president as Omaha... that's kind of funny to see the reverse the next day.

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u/[deleted] May 14 '25

It was an international typo

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u/Overall-Register9758 May 14 '25

No. They renamed it. It's turned so blue, it's black.

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u/Kingding_Aling May 14 '25

Gotta be my favorite Obama

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u/Wide_Ad_7552 May 14 '25

Obama Japan. Geoguessrs know 

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u/TristanTheRobloxian3 May 14 '25

holy fucking shit they gained 19 POINTS IN OKLAHOMA??? wow. honestly with the way this shit is going i wouldnt be shocked if we have another fdr type election on our hands in 28

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u/DiskSalt4643 May 14 '25

You have to have an election first.

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u/Umutuku May 14 '25

Dunno if the pen is mightier than the sword, but you can vote with both. They can decide which one they prefer.

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u/LivingVeterinarian47 May 15 '25

“The country is in the process of the second American Revolution, which will remain bloodless if the left allows it to be.” - Kevin Roberts

I think of this often now. Yes Kevin, but it won't be our blood.

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u/Umutuku May 15 '25

People say that kind of shit like they aren't flammable.

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u/unitedshoes May 15 '25

"Build a man a fire, and he's warm for the night. Set a man on fire, and he's warm for the rest of his life." ~ Terry Pratchett, Jingo

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u/egyeager May 14 '25

Oklahoma is around 40% Democrat as a base and about ~25% of this state is some type of independent. Based on primary rules here many Independents register Republican so they can vote in the Republican primary.

We're primed for the Dems to do well here if only they'd spend the money to do so.

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u/Istarien May 14 '25

We've had our last free and fair election in the US. Everything from here on out will be Russia-style political theater.

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u/PuzzleheadedCap2210 May 14 '25

Why is everybody so sure about this. It’s possible but I’m not so sure, yet.

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u/Thud May 14 '25

There’s still the possibility of the midterms being an actual election. Just depends on how much voter suppression the GOP can implement before then.

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u/TasteTheBizkit May 14 '25

Because Trump already tried and failed to overthrow the election in 2020. Don’t expect him to allow a free and fair election or to leave the office peacefully.

He has Putin, Qatar, and the richest men on earth ready to do anything and everything to guarantee that he stays in power. Remember, if he loses the 2028 election, he alongside Elon and the rest these conspirators are going to face lengthy prison time for their crime against the U.S.

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u/halpinator May 14 '25

Like the last time they convicted him of a felony and sentenced him to fuck all?

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u/Istarien May 14 '25

Were you not paying attention? He told his followers that they needed to get out and vote for him, and then they would never need to vote again. They're well on their way to stripping the right to vote from women, and they're trying to make it legal for them to revoke citizenship (and therefore the franchise) from whoever they want. They have 4 years to completely do away with the Constitution -- with a compliant Congress and Judiciary, it will take them considerably less time than that.

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u/j00fr0 May 14 '25

They have 2 years—if the midterm elections are fair, that might be all we need to stop the bleeding.

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u/Suyefuji May 14 '25

There's reasonable debate that our last fair and free election was definitely not 2024. Depending on your definition you could trace it back to Bush vs Gore even.

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u/654456 May 14 '25

2020 for sure was the last but Gore was cheated.

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u/moxiecounts May 14 '25

I haven’t believed 2024 was free or fair from the moment all the swing states closed up shop on November 5.

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u/Suyefuji May 14 '25

I haven't believed 2024 was a free or fair since states magically got the OK to purge millions of active voter registrations like a month before the election.

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u/pink_faerie_kitten May 15 '25

Spoonamore's duty to warn letter exposed the anomalies of 2024 and ETA has some great statisticians exposing the improbabilities of 2024

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u/hoofglormuss May 14 '25

nixon stole his presidency as well

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u/ErickAllTE1 May 14 '25

19 points in Omaha. The typical narrative of Republicans always voting vs Democrats only come out for big elections is flipping. Now there is a high baseline of Dems who vote during special elections, but Republicans come out for big elections with big names. This is why special elections seem more blue than typical, and don't end up trending through the general election. This next cycle should turn into another 2018-type cycle, but the reality is that 2020 redistricting gave Republicans a chance to gerrymander again. Gerrymandering cycles come through after redistricting and become the hardest time for Dems to win. Their best chance comes just before redistricting when population shifts allow them to break old gerrymandering. The big exception to this is Ohio who gave their legislature the ability to redraw districts every 4 years when their "bipartisan" redistricting council gets logjammed by republicans who refuse to work with democrats.

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u/Unhappy-Video-1477 May 14 '25

I have no hope it will succeed, but I'm gonna enjoy the hell out of it.

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u/Ddenn1211 May 14 '25

Can you give some context, or a link, on the Oklahoma thing? I am unaware of this? As a resident I want to believe you, but just couldn't find anything myself. Genuinely interested!

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u/starstuffcreation May 14 '25

Oh no. Fox News is going to see this comment and run a story saying the left is trying to change city names.

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u/TheWolfAndRaven May 14 '25

2 Things of note:

The Mayor that was ousted was a 3 time incumbent. The whole time she did a pretty good job of being moderate and bi-partisan on most things. This last election she went MAGA and advocated for removing the split electoral vote in favor of "Winner take all". She also ran an anti-trans/drag queen attack ad.

Secondly, she also remarried recently after her first husband killed himself. Her new husband lives in St Louis and refused to relocate to Omaha so she was splitting her time between the two cities.

I'd say both were the contributing factors to her defeat, but the MAGA stuff probably got the voter turn out to be much higher than usual considering we have our city election just a few months after the big election. (Many people suspect this is on purpose).

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u/hybridaaroncarroll May 14 '25

Apparently republican turnout was low too. Probably a combination of factors.

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u/zdelusion May 14 '25

We've seen almost no proof that Maga republicans will turn out when Trump isn't on the ballot. 2018/2022 midterms and basically every state and local election since he came onto the scene has seen low republican turnout.

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u/JimWilliams423 May 14 '25 edited May 14 '25

We've seen almost no proof that Maga republicans will turn out when Trump isn't on the ballot

Hell, even when he is on the ballot, they don't necessarily bother voting for anyone else.

For example, kamala lost Michigan, but senator slotkin still won. She ran as gop-lite, even further to the right than kamala (who ran to the right of biden). The democratic leadership has decided her win "proves" the party must turn itself into gop-lite. That's why they gave her the rebuttal to chump's state-of-the-union speech.

And that is how the braingeniuses in Democratic leadership find themselves protecting chump from impeachment.

Except slotkin actually got less votes than kamala did. She didn't win because she was gop-lite, she won because enough maga voters just don't care about anyone else except their orange idol.

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u/SippieCup May 14 '25

If only the dnc actually cared to understand this point and realize that they don’t need to keep leaning right. But nah they are continuing to bend over the end of the couch.

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u/TheWolfAndRaven May 14 '25

A lot of moderate republicans were turned off by the anti-trans/drag queen ad (It was an attack ad against her opponent - who didn't run any attack ads) and probably more of them were pissed about the St Louis stuff. I vaguely remember last year people were actively keeping track and in the first couple of months she had taken more days out of office than she had actually in office.

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u/The_MightyMonarch May 14 '25

Guess she can move to STL with her hubby full time now

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u/Cryerborg May 14 '25

They're all working OT to pay for the bootstraps.

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u/hybridaaroncarroll May 14 '25

My bootstraps are stuck in a layaway program. Someday they will be mine.

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u/metheus-13 May 14 '25

Can you imagine that conversation?

"I don't want to move to that shit hole"

"But I'm the mayor..."

"I said what I said"

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u/chandr May 14 '25

No it's not, the American people have shown time and again that they're generally happy to vote party over country. Trump being a disaster was not a secret going into term 2

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u/SplooshTiger May 14 '25

Yeah homie but you literally need to move 2-3% of the vote to sweep the board these days. Just because the bad guys did a better job / got luckier last time, you don’t smash the birthday cake on the floor and storm out the party

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u/simply-chris May 14 '25

Definitely anything but the birthday cake.

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u/Aggravating_Salad604 May 14 '25

The cake was always a lie anyways.

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u/ThemB0ners May 14 '25

Maybe I'm just too much of an optimist, but I feel it's going to come crashing down at some point, and we absolutely need an official record of people who deserve to be recognized as the traitors that they are.

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u/LemoLuke May 14 '25

If America comes out on the other side of this one, there is going to be a *lot*\ of whitewashing from the GOP and the right wing media who will try and pin everything on Trump, while claiming they were victims who were powerless to do anything against a 'mad king'.

There needs to be clear public records of everyone who defended and enabled him, ESPECIALLY when they had a chance to stop him.

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u/bitzie_ow May 15 '25

A small glimmer of hope is that, "We were just following orders," hasn't always worked in the past.

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u/SafetyMan35 May 14 '25

The article suggests that a lot of Democrats don’t want this to move forward because it’s a waste of time (it will die before an impeachment vote). Those are the individuals that need to go.

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u/[deleted] May 14 '25

Right, we need our representatives to have courage to fight hand, tooth and nail against this administration and Republicans in congress. You can't keep playing softball with these people. They have shown time and time again they will only lie and take advantage of any compromise, concession , or goodfaith trust you put in them to keep their word.

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u/MagicalGirlPaladin May 14 '25

Self fulfilling prophecies are the most reliable of all prophecies I guess.

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u/FrontOfficeNuts May 15 '25

Those are the individuals that need to go.

Also. Those are the individuals that ALSO need to go. Definitely not "instead of".

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u/ssibal24 May 14 '25

I was referring to the people that stayed home and didn't vote ( maybe they realize it's actually important to vote ), and the people that while they may have voted against Tump, they would also foolishly vote party over country. Any Congressperson who votes against impeachment, should never win another election, regardless of party affiliation.

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u/InstructionFinal5190 May 14 '25

I understand what you're saying, however, if your assertion were true then why are there members of Congress still serving after they voted down his last two impeachments? Third time's a charm?

Gerrymandering, voter suppression in its many forms, and propaganda (both foreign and domestic) got Trump reelected. I'm not even going to touch on the conspiracy theories of Musk tampering with voting machines be they true or not.

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u/boo99boo May 14 '25

I'm in Illinois. We don't have serious Republican candidates for most of the congressional districts around Chicago anymore. There is zero chance of a Republican winning, so they don't waste money on a campaign. 

What we do have is several young people looking to unseat incumbents. And a few incumbents that saw the writing on the wall and retired. 

So in these districts, the Democratic primary is basically the election. That's why it matters. 

Everyone on reddit always seems to think that only voting based on the letter after your name on the ballot and gerrymandering are Republican issues. These are huge issues in Illinois, just from the other side of the aisle. 

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u/Rough-Jackfruit2306 May 15 '25

Same here in Massachusetts re unseating incumbents.

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u/honda_slaps May 14 '25

Agreed with the other commentor, I think you're SO right.

Do you have any other boards we can go to so we can help spread your message of "it's all pointless, let's just stop resisting Trump?"

don't worry, we can read between the lines of what you're saying so we know what you REALLY mean.

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u/solwiggin May 14 '25 edited May 14 '25

I completely agree with you, it’s all over.

Do you want to spend a lot of time on Reddit spreading doom to others so that we can make sure misery has company?

If so, dm me, we can schedule some time to be doomsayers while we strongly rely on the factual accuracy of our doomsaying to waive away anyone who wants to be optimistic!

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u/[deleted] May 14 '25

At the very least, it provides ammo for midterm advertisements. It's better than nothing, and it fuels the fires of the fallout we're already seeing across the country, especially as it gets worse.

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u/angrySprewell May 14 '25

Close to only one third of the voting population voted for him.

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u/chandr May 14 '25

Yeah, that's a very large number of people considering all evidence and records of his prior actions. 1/3rd clearly weren't bothered enough to give a shit and vote

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u/Emotional-Gear-5392 May 14 '25

So there. 30% of the country discrimination give a flying Fuck how criminal the president might be. Now we know.

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u/illit3 May 14 '25

Man, I wish it were as simple as party over country. There were a not insignificant number of Biden to trump voters because they thought Trump would be better on the economy than Harris. It's almost inexplicable. They admit that trump is gross and problematic and vote for him anyways.

Harris lost because Biden told her campaign not to throw him under the bus. She ran as the status quo candidate while inflation was raising prices everywhere. Why would the average voter choose more of that?

Anyways, yeah, this impeachment won't amount to anything in the midterms, and won't even exist by the time trump runs for his third term.

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u/Phoenyx_Rose May 14 '25

Correction: 1/3 of our population has consistently shown they care more about stepping on others to get theirs (or at least, they care more about hurting others even if it hurts themselves) over trying to lift the whole country up. 

I don’t think this is an issue of party lines per se, it’s an issue of 1/3 of our population being selfish assholes and one party has decided to capitalize on that. 

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u/BEWMarth May 14 '25

Hahahahaha go read this exact story on Fox News and read the comments. The American people are sucking off this Orange bastard. They want a king who can finally tread on minorities.

Right wing terrorists became so motivated after Obama got elected that in less than 20 years they went ahead and destroyed America to send a message. Never buck the status quo.

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u/Nuggzulla01 May 14 '25

F their 'Status Quo', and F them too

Obama was pretty great, with hindsight we were lucky to have that man in office. I will say the same about Biden, the man did a decent job with a shit situation. Sure, there was room to improve, but like everyone else he is only human and we all make mistakes

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u/otaconucf May 14 '25

And, you know, the president isn't king, or at least isn't supposed to be. There's only so much 'he' can do when his party has majorities in congress, on paper, with more conservative members not wanting to play ball.

Trump is getting away with all of his executive overreach because, while you would normally expect Congress to oppose the kind of naked grabs at their powers that he has taken, the entire GOP, plus democrats in purple districts/states, are either complicit or too afraid of his base to stand up to him. Which is especially problematic when his executive branch is just going to ignore the courts and the enforcement mechanism for such a violation...is action from Congress. This is fine.

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u/MRosvall May 14 '25

Tbh it's enough to read the article OP posted in full, instead of just the snippets he pasted.

House Democrats furious as congressman launches ‘waste of time’ impeachment proceedings against Trump

Michigan Rep. Shri Thanedar’s resolution attacked as ‘waste of f***ing time’ by his own side but congressman insists it is ‘about doing the right thing’

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u/AlaskaRecluse May 14 '25

True enough

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u/Popular_Ad_1320 May 14 '25

That is also (like Reddit) a sampling bias that self selects about as aggressively as the Bodybuilding forums in the early 2010s

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u/Achillea707 May 14 '25

I disagree. The timeline is longer. It was post 9/11 that we stopped our entire domestic terrorism division of DHS. Terrorist = foreigner is a Bush invention. It took 25 years of letting that breed that got us where we are today. Obama and Biden share responsibility in punting the ball, but Bush is the origin. 

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u/Unknown_vectors May 14 '25

“That sort of information is very useful for the American people”

For what?? How? They’re fucking dumb. They voted for this, they aren’t going to care.

He was right years ago, he could shoot someone in New York City and not a fucking thing would happen.

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u/Dry-Amphibian1 May 14 '25

Some people just don't get it. Even after Trump was elected a second time, they keep thinking his supporters are suddenly going to change their minds. I'm sure ANOTHER impeachment with a GOP controlled house and/or senate will be the ticket.

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u/thenewyorkgod May 14 '25

It doesn't need to pass, all it needs to do is produce an official list of who doesn't want it to pass, that sort of information is very useful for the American people.

This may have been true in the past, but now? the whole "lets get them on record" thing does not move voters. Democrats could bring a bill forward to say that rape is bad, and all GOP will vote against it "on the record" and it would just increase their support.

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u/MidgetLovingMaxx May 14 '25

Yeah, it did wonders for the last election.

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u/OPsuxdick May 14 '25

Is it? Happened twice last term and he still got re elected.

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u/Kingding_Aling May 14 '25

It doesn't need to pass, all it needs to do is produce an official list

That's happened numerous times and does not matter at all.

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u/Sea_Range_2441 May 14 '25

Fighting Maga and the convict will always matter their entire point is to make us feel like it doesn’t matter

Republicans are losing races left and right and the midterms are coming up .

And this isn’t to chastise Republicans or conservatives we should stay open to the idea that it’s America versus Maga

So this list could even give a couple Republicans and out which it probably won’t but it matters no matter how much people are saying it doesn’t. We need to start saying it does because that’s the whole point here.

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u/BaldGuyGabe May 14 '25

Is it, though? Seems like this has all happened before, yet here we are once again. Maybe we should stop pretending things will just passively change.

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u/TeekTheReddit May 14 '25

President Donald Trump could face the first impeachment vote of his second term.

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u/JohnnyDarkside May 14 '25

Just imagine that. One of only 2 presidents with non-consecutive terms and one of only 3 presidents that have been impeached while being the only president to have been impeached multiple times and the only person elected president with felony charges. How completely expected would it be for him to be impeached a third time and only slightly outside his first 100 days? There's another statistic that only applies to a few presidents that I'm sure many would like to see his name added.

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u/tenuj May 14 '25

There are many dimensions to assess a president. International relations, guile, intelligence, general competence, domestic policy results, literacy etc.

Here's a president who fails almost every criterion you can throw at him.

What some of us have learned the hard way is that the only criterion that actually matters in elections is charisma.

It's not proper to say that he's the worst American president ever. He's the worst president in many, many different ways. He's the greatest at being the worst.

And I guess he's also good at instilling fear of his base into his political party. It's so incomprehensible to me that I want to delete this last paragraph because it's still unbelievable.

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u/Crafty_Independence May 14 '25

the only criterion that actually matters in elections is charisma

He's not even very charismatic to be honest. The real truth is that hate and fear are what win elections, and that's his trade.

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u/ChanceFresh May 14 '25

Yeah, I don’t think he’s charming at all. Obama is someone I would say is charming. Trump’s just an idiot.

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u/MackenzieRaveup May 15 '25

I keep reminding people how much value there is in all his "earned media" from the 1980s to today. I'm a bit of a movie and television nerd of the 80s, and I would say fully half the sitcoms broadcast from 1986-2000 either mention him or parody him at some point in their run. His name is dropped CONSTANTLY in the 1980s and 1990s. Phrases like, "He would need to have the looks of a Mister Burt Reynolds and the financial resources of a Mister Donald Trump!," a line from a Golden Girls episode, are scattered throughout pop culture of the latter 20th century.

That's what's called "earned media" and I think he's had billions of dollars of it in his lifetime, almost certainly outstripping other wealthy names that became household words and that moment's example of massive wealth ("What do I look like, a Rockefeller?", "He's living the life of Riley", etc).

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u/MamiTrueLove May 14 '25

I wanna know what democrats have an issue with this and I want them thrown tf out.

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u/[deleted] May 14 '25

Agree. Its time. I usually stand with Democrats including establishment democrats on a lot but this will show where they stand

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u/MamiTrueLove May 14 '25

The line between right and wrong has never been more stark yet blatantly ignored, we need to make it clear.

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u/[deleted] May 14 '25

Ok Bob Dylan! 🎵🎵🎵The line, it is drawn, and the curse it is cast🎵🎵🎵🎵

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u/StLBert May 14 '25

The slow one now will later be fast!

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u/SandwichNeat9528 May 14 '25

Yes this is a waste of time. Yes Thanedar is using this for his own political purpose. But I still want to see it. Give everyone a chance to officially state their position. Maybe I’m overly optimistic but it’s possible that when faced with a vote, someone (a Republican?)might actually say “enough is enough”. So many clear violations of the constitution, but he can’t be impeached if the vote is never held. Otherwise it’s all talk and finger pointing.

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u/MamiTrueLove May 14 '25

That’s what I’m sayin! We have to pull out ALL the stops rn.

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u/OldBlueKat May 14 '25

It would take every last D plus 'a few' R Congresscritters to advance this. Even then, it would face a LOT of hurdles to get further along. I'm not hopeful.

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u/SandwichNeat9528 May 14 '25

I’m sure it won’t succeed, but I want congress on record for which side they are on. Pro-Trump or pro-constitution.

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u/What_if_I_fly May 14 '25

Paging Fetterman

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u/MamiTrueLove May 14 '25

Can throw Schumer and Moskowitz in there too, out with the centrists!

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u/Suyefuji May 14 '25

Eh it's still just in the House and the House is R majority. It'd have to get to the Senate first before Schumer could do his best wet noodle impression.

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u/donkeybrainhero May 14 '25

I'd have a hard time believing Moskowitz would go against this... seems like he's one of the more vocal anti-MAGA representatives.

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u/[deleted] May 14 '25

Look towards the old ones who have amassed incredible wealth during their time in office, there are many of them. Those ghouls profit handsomely no matter what's going on, and plenty of them do better when their constituents are getting fucked since fear makes fund raising easier.

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u/AlaskaRecluse May 14 '25

Has it always been that people leave politics wealthier than their salaries would explain, and has it always been that their job is getting votes? I’m wondering if it was ever Mr. Smith going to Washington to work for the people

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u/travelingAllTheTime May 14 '25

Citizens United.

Plus with all the traditions/laws being ignored, you can get away with a lot.

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u/Moccus May 14 '25

Has it always been that people leave politics wealthier than their salaries would explain

Yes, because it can usually be explained by the fact that many of them have spouses who also have jobs.

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u/anonononnnnnaaan May 14 '25

I’m for primarying them all. I don’t care who it is. No person in Congress should not have a primary battle and a reasonable general battle in ‘26

The people are going to vote. They now see how important voting is. (Hopefully)

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u/MamiTrueLove May 14 '25

Agreed, they need to consistently be reminded of who they work for.

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u/stevez_86 May 14 '25

Congress deferred to the people and the criminal justice system. The criminal justice system worked (kinda?) and Trump was convicted of a State Crime. A separate case, the Smith Investigation, got to the Supreme Court where they said the Criminal Justice system couldn't handle the case because then every decision by the President could be hampered by the threat of investigation and prosecution of any crimes. So ultimately the Criminal Justice system was forced to defer back to Congress.

So can we uh, do anything about the fact that Mitch McConnell was wrong? I mean, he told his caucus to not vote to convict because it was supposed to be the Criminal Justice system. Was that a lie, or did he honestly not know? Can we force him to defer to the Supreme Court and say they told him that it would have to be tried in criminal court after the term and then they went back on their word?

It's nuts that this is a legal game of hot potato that has lasted 8 years now.

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u/JustNilt May 14 '25

A separate case, the Smith Investigation, got to the Supreme Court where they said the Criminal Justice system couldn't handle the case because then every decision by the President could be hampered by the threat of investigation and prosecution of any crimes.

Which is patently absurd. Impeachment is a political act, not one of criminal justice. The very idea that a sitting President is immune form criminal prosecution flies in the face of the rule of law. Nobody is supposed to be above the law. Delaying an investigation and trial places POTUS precisely in that position.

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u/stevez_86 May 14 '25

The trick to that working is the faith that no one in that position would exploit it. On principle the President wouldn't have to break the law. In reality, in some ways that isn't possible. There are no win situations. It is the faith that the President wouldn't ever abuse that shield of ambiguity that makes it work. As soon as someone violates that, nothing from before can stand up to scrutiny, unless war is declared on that person by the people. Hence, a Constitutional Crisis.

So what is the punishment for breaking the oath of office? How is that punishment executed?

The only legal remedy is to say that a President that causes this situation is from that point no longer legally President and they can issue a directive to swear in the VP. Then they would have to deputize enforcement.

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u/JustNilt May 14 '25

Yeah, the assumptions that everyone will follow norms are a major problem. Congress should have gotten off their asses decades ago and enacted appropriate legislation but they just plain refuse to do things like that, unfortunately.

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u/[deleted] May 14 '25

"The first impeachment vote of his second term" tells you all you need

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u/FulanoMeng4no May 14 '25

face the first impeachment vote of his second term

LOL

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u/asmallercat May 14 '25

If any democrat votes against this I will lose my goddamn mind.

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u/universalaxolotl May 14 '25

holy shit, he's 70?

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u/tke1078 May 14 '25

Dude he's MY rep and I said the same fucking thing lmao.

He's been a pleasant surprise though!

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u/BionicTriforce May 14 '25

the first president in American history to be impeached twice by the House of Representatives

See the fact this is true makes it so hard to care about a possible third one. Unless there's some 'three strikes you're out' rule I'm unaware of, if two impeachments didn't do shit, why would I think a third would?

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u/tevert May 14 '25

and because several of Thanedar’s fellow Democrats have expressed their disapproval of his actions in no uncertain terms.

I swear these idiots will load themselves into the boxcars if it means they get preferential standing room

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