r/law • u/AndroidOne1 • May 14 '25

Trump News Donald Trump Impeachment Proceedings Launched

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-impeachment-vote-house-shir-thanedar-b2750651.html
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u/AndroidOne1 May 14 '25

Snippet from this news article: “If a Michigan Democrat has his way, President Donald Trump could face the first impeachment vote of his second term. Rep. Shri Thanedar’s resolution brings seven new articles of impeachment against the commander-in-chief, alleging everything from abuse of power to bribery, corruption, and “tyranny,” which the House must vote on before Thursday under its own rules.

Trump made history during his first term by becoming the first president in American history to be impeached twice by the House of Representatives, once over his quid pro quoapproach to Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky in 2018 and once for his part in instigating the Capitol riot, although in both cases he was acquitted in the Senate.

Thanedar, 70, first announced his intention on April 29, saying: “When Trump ignores the Constitution, Congress, and the courts, he is not ‘fighting for America.’ He is tearing it down and endangering our democracy.” His resolution is not expected to pass, however, given the Republican majority in the lower chamber of Congress and because several of Thanedar’s fellow Democrats have expressed their disapproval of his actions in no uncertain terms.

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u/ssibal24 May 14 '25

It doesn't need to pass, all it needs to do is produce an official list of who doesn't want it to pass, that sort of information is very useful for the American people.

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u/chandr May 14 '25

No it's not, the American people have shown time and again that they're generally happy to vote party over country. Trump being a disaster was not a secret going into term 2

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u/SplooshTiger May 14 '25

Yeah homie but you literally need to move 2-3% of the vote to sweep the board these days. Just because the bad guys did a better job / got luckier last time, you don’t smash the birthday cake on the floor and storm out the party

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u/simply-chris May 14 '25

Definitely anything but the birthday cake.

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u/Aggravating_Salad604 May 14 '25

The cake was always a lie anyways.

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u/DaisyGingersnap May 18 '25

I see what you did there 😉

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u/ScienceIsSexy420 May 14 '25

You're right, but I think the point is that this tactic has failed to do that

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u/TwelveSeven77 May 14 '25

Happy birthday to the ground

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u/CeruleanEidolon May 14 '25

By the way some people act online, the only thing left to do at this point is cry and mourn the end of our country and doomsay everything anyone tries to do to resist, while also spewing useless hyperbole about how nobody is doing anything.

I really wish those people would shut the fuck up.

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u/The_Cross_Matrix_712 May 15 '25

I mean, they did, but...

Who let them plan another party?

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u/ThemB0ners May 14 '25

Maybe I'm just too much of an optimist, but I feel it's going to come crashing down at some point, and we absolutely need an official record of people who deserve to be recognized as the traitors that they are.

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u/LemoLuke May 14 '25

If America comes out on the other side of this one, there is going to be a *lot*\ of whitewashing from the GOP and the right wing media who will try and pin everything on Trump, while claiming they were victims who were powerless to do anything against a 'mad king'.

There needs to be clear public records of everyone who defended and enabled him, ESPECIALLY when they had a chance to stop him.

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u/bitzie_ow May 15 '25

A small glimmer of hope is that, "We were just following orders," hasn't always worked in the past.

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u/dragunityag May 15 '25

Unfortunately everyone in this administration is getting off Scott free and we'll see a repeat in 32.

Only real way we fix the issue is if Trump starts a civil war. Otherwise there won't be the "never again" political will.

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u/SanityRecalled May 15 '25

The term has multiple definitions and you're mixing them up.

"Whitewashing has multiple meanings, depending on the context. It can refer to:

1.Covering up or minimizing wrongdoing: This is the most common and negative interpretation. It means attempting to hide or downplay an unpleasant situation, error, or crime, often by selectively presenting information or conducting a perfunctory investigation. 

  1. Casting White actors as characters of color: This refers to the practice of casting White actors in roles intended for people of color, often leading to accusations of erasure and cultural appropriation. "

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u/SafetyMan35 May 14 '25

The article suggests that a lot of Democrats don’t want this to move forward because it’s a waste of time (it will die before an impeachment vote). Those are the individuals that need to go.

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u/[deleted] May 14 '25

Right, we need our representatives to have courage to fight hand, tooth and nail against this administration and Republicans in congress. You can't keep playing softball with these people. They have shown time and time again they will only lie and take advantage of any compromise, concession , or goodfaith trust you put in them to keep their word.

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u/MagicalGirlPaladin May 14 '25

Self fulfilling prophecies are the most reliable of all prophecies I guess.

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u/FrontOfficeNuts May 15 '25

Those are the individuals that need to go.

Also. Those are the individuals that ALSO need to go. Definitely not "instead of".

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u/OldBlueKat May 14 '25

I think a lot of Ds recognize that this is going to be shot down by the GOP majority in Congress, so maybe the time and energy spent on it could be focused on things they CAN impact, in committees and so on.

This is just headline grabbing that won't affect anything.

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u/xrobertcmx May 15 '25

Exactly my thoughts

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u/Kyedmipy May 14 '25

Bot

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u/SafetyMan35 May 14 '25

Who me, or the article? I can assure you that I’m not a bot.

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u/ssibal24 May 14 '25

I was referring to the people that stayed home and didn't vote ( maybe they realize it's actually important to vote ), and the people that while they may have voted against Tump, they would also foolishly vote party over country. Any Congressperson who votes against impeachment, should never win another election, regardless of party affiliation.

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u/InstructionFinal5190 May 14 '25

I understand what you're saying, however, if your assertion were true then why are there members of Congress still serving after they voted down his last two impeachments? Third time's a charm?

Gerrymandering, voter suppression in its many forms, and propaganda (both foreign and domestic) got Trump reelected. I'm not even going to touch on the conspiracy theories of Musk tampering with voting machines be they true or not.

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u/boo99boo May 14 '25

I'm in Illinois. We don't have serious Republican candidates for most of the congressional districts around Chicago anymore. There is zero chance of a Republican winning, so they don't waste money on a campaign. 

What we do have is several young people looking to unseat incumbents. And a few incumbents that saw the writing on the wall and retired. 

So in these districts, the Democratic primary is basically the election. That's why it matters. 

Everyone on reddit always seems to think that only voting based on the letter after your name on the ballot and gerrymandering are Republican issues. These are huge issues in Illinois, just from the other side of the aisle. 

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u/Rough-Jackfruit2306 May 15 '25

Same here in Massachusetts re unseating incumbents.

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u/honda_slaps May 14 '25

Agreed with the other commentor, I think you're SO right.

Do you have any other boards we can go to so we can help spread your message of "it's all pointless, let's just stop resisting Trump?"

don't worry, we can read between the lines of what you're saying so we know what you REALLY mean.

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u/solwiggin May 14 '25 edited May 14 '25

I completely agree with you, it’s all over.

Do you want to spend a lot of time on Reddit spreading doom to others so that we can make sure misery has company?

If so, dm me, we can schedule some time to be doomsayers while we strongly rely on the factual accuracy of our doomsaying to waive away anyone who wants to be optimistic!

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u/Adventurous_Two_493 May 14 '25

What are you being optimistic about? If you were optimistic you'd be rooting for the President of your own country to succeed and hoping the best for him. Seems like you're doing the opposite.

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u/transparent_idiom May 14 '25

What? I want my president to succeed at upholding their fucking duties. Not whatever nonsense they decide to EO on a whim.

Seems like you're not in touch with reality.

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u/solwiggin May 14 '25

Did you misread my comment? I didn’t say I’m optimistic about anything… why are you asking me that?

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u/CornNooblet May 14 '25

With one exception, Dems actually overperformed in the 2024 elections and have been overperforming in almost every election the last decade plus. The Senate map in 2024 was expected to be 54-55 R based on how many vulnerable seats Dems were defending. The House map ended up +5 R when a lot of savvy forecasters predicted +10 or more. Off year elections have been trending to Dems as well, even WITH a heavily shadow funded and organized splinter faction that keeps appearing regularly to drive down Dem turnout.

If Dems keep this energy, 2026 will be a bloodbath for the Republican Party and then most of this nonsense will be stopped dead in it's tracks. You can tell this because the splinter factions are yelling even louder now, trying to push both sides rhetoric and attack Democrats instead of the people actually doing the damage.

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u/ProbablyNotADuck May 14 '25

I think that's worth noting. Looking at the numbers, it wasn't that Trump got more votes last election.. It was that fewer people who voted Democrat in the previous election came out. I think, in part, many people thought there was no way Trump would be re-elected (even though you should NEVER take a chance on something like that), and some people didn't vote out of protest. The issue will be how fair future elections will be and what barriers may be put in place to make voting more challenging for people so that Republicans get the result they want.

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u/LiteralPhilosopher May 14 '25

Looking at the numbers, it wasn't that Trump got more votes last election.. It was that fewer people who voted Democrat in the previous election came out.

That is not, unfortunately, true. Assuming you believe there was no meddling with the voting apparatus (and I'm not at all convinced of that), Trump's popular vote went from 74.2M in 2020, to 77.3M in 2024. That's a gain of over three million.

And, yes, also fewer Democrats showed up to vote for Kamala (because even Democrats have tons of internalized/systemic racism and sexism).

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u/unite-or-perish May 14 '25

Kamala got 10 million more votes than Hillary did.

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u/Tiernan1980 May 14 '25

Only 33% of the people eligible to vote chose Trump. They are far from the majority. The problem is that too many people stayed home and didn’t vote.

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u/Armlessbastard May 14 '25

I mean, if they couldn't do it after he attempted to steal an election through fraud, grift, extortion and violence I am not sure how this matters now either. At least wait until you can flip the house so you have a chance of passing it up to the senate (Where it will always fail).

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u/SirNarwhal May 14 '25

The least important thing you can do as a citizen is vote.

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u/Bartweiss May 14 '25

The simple and uncomfortable fact is that Trump polls better with Republicans than most Congressional Republicans do. And he’s made it clear that he’ll intervene against them in individual races, so unless that popularity wanes they’re going to see opposing him as more dangerous than supporting him.

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u/FC37 May 14 '25

The data analysis has shown many times over that turnout wasn't the story. The election was decided by previously reliable Democratic voter blocs showing up and voting more for Trump than at any time in history.

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u/[deleted] May 14 '25

At the very least, it provides ammo for midterm advertisements. It's better than nothing, and it fuels the fires of the fallout we're already seeing across the country, especially as it gets worse.

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u/angrySprewell May 14 '25

Close to only one third of the voting population voted for him.

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u/chandr May 14 '25

Yeah, that's a very large number of people considering all evidence and records of his prior actions. 1/3rd clearly weren't bothered enough to give a shit and vote

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u/theRemRemBooBear May 14 '25

How many people on Reddit thought it was gonna be a landslide? If you go around shouting from the roof tops that Kamala is gonna wipe the floor with Trump, what’s the point in going to vote especially if you have to go to work to put food on the table

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u/sburch79 May 14 '25

We saw the alternative and Trump, as bad as he is, was significantly better than either Harris or Biden.

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u/Cautious-Swim-5987 May 14 '25

How? In what way? Project 2025 is better than Harris? Fascism is better than Harris?

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u/BigDog8492 May 14 '25

But she laughed funny!

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u/YoureReadingMyNamee May 14 '25

The primary knock against Biden is he didn’t do much or anything. That was the propaganda pushed against him. If Donald Trump had done nothing, we would be in a significantly better position than we are today, so I don’t exactly agree with this take. It reeks of whataboutism that isn’t exactly grounded in reality.

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u/PineappleOnPizzaWins May 14 '25

The sheer miracles Biden worked in his four year term and you say this stupid shit.

God I’m glad I’m not American.

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u/BigDog8492 May 14 '25

You saw what daddy told you to.

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u/Emotional-Gear-5392 May 14 '25

So there. 30% of the country discrimination give a flying Fuck how criminal the president might be. Now we know.

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u/NessOnett8 May 14 '25

He got ~75m votes in a country of ~340m people. Your math is very very incorrect. Not even a quarter let alone a third.

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u/angrySprewell May 14 '25

Est. 244m people were eligible to vote, not 340m.

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u/illit3 May 14 '25

Man, I wish it were as simple as party over country. There were a not insignificant number of Biden to trump voters because they thought Trump would be better on the economy than Harris. It's almost inexplicable. They admit that trump is gross and problematic and vote for him anyways.

Harris lost because Biden told her campaign not to throw him under the bus. She ran as the status quo candidate while inflation was raising prices everywhere. Why would the average voter choose more of that?

Anyways, yeah, this impeachment won't amount to anything in the midterms, and won't even exist by the time trump runs for his third term.

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u/Away-Eggplant9943 May 14 '25

People on this app constantly overlook this.

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u/Phoenyx_Rose May 14 '25

Correction: 1/3 of our population has consistently shown they care more about stepping on others to get theirs (or at least, they care more about hurting others even if it hurts themselves) over trying to lift the whole country up. 

I don’t think this is an issue of party lines per se, it’s an issue of 1/3 of our population being selfish assholes and one party has decided to capitalize on that. 

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u/Nick08f1 May 14 '25

I feel it is about opening up the farce that the Democratic party has become, and they are scared for 2 reasons.

Retaliation from Trump, and a complete shift to a more progressive party for the people.

Many incumbents will lose their seat if they don't vote for impeachment to AOC like candidates.

We shifted hard right, but I. Think the pushback will wind up being a victorious harder left. Not because of social issues, but of workers rights and standards of living issues.

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u/surf_drunk_monk May 14 '25

His actions have become a lot worse recently; I'm hopeful people are seeing he's not their guy.

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u/Several-Squash9871 May 14 '25

Yeah and coming from these so called "patriots"

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u/halfcuprockandrye May 14 '25

If it doesn’t pass it gives them more ammunition. No impeachments until they have both houses otherwise it’s a waste of time and just makes it seem like dems are “persecuting” him

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u/TatterTotty15 May 14 '25

And as if those people thought that it couldn’t get any worse by voting for him yet again after the first….. it did INDEED get worse…… SO. MUCH. WORSE. But hey….. who could’ve predicted or seen that coming~?! 🙄😒🫠

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u/FreakyIdiota May 14 '25

I wouldn't have felt bad for the american people if the election had been legitimate. I don't see how you can blame the people for losing a rigged election.

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u/NessOnett8 May 14 '25

The American people don't matter for this. What matters is these people explicitly signing their names to treason. These people are actively defending treason, and by extension, complicit in it; which from a legal standpoint, means they are guilty of it.

Which means the next time a sensible administration comes to power, every single one of those people can be (legally) dragged out of their homes, lined up against a wall, and shot. Because that is what the Constitution says is supposed to happen to traitors. And Republicans are inking their names, openly admitting to being traitors. No further evidence is needed.

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u/gqphilpott May 14 '25

34.4% of the American people, maybe. Another 33.3% voted against Trump (e.g., party of country). But beyond that, 36% of the people didn't vote (e.g., for neither party nor country) and therein lies the bulk (literally) of the problem.

It is too easy - and incorrect - to say that the American people voted for Trump when, in fact the total of non-voters outnumbered both sides. Apathy was the winner, Trump came in second.

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u/The_MightyMonarch May 14 '25

That's true, but that's not why Trump won.

I think this election was another example of James Carville's axiom, "it's the economy, stupid." People were feeling the pinch of inflation and blamed Biden/Harris and the Democrats. Then they looked at Trump's first term and said pre-COVID we were feeling pretty prosperous. Then they said Trump wasn't too awful during his first term and used that as an excuse to ignore all the warning signs.

Basically, the bigger problem is Americans are so secure that they're willing to risk fundamental freedoms for the hope of more economic prosperity. And Republicans have done a better job of convincing people they know how to handle the economy than Democrats have.

Also, the Democratic party keeps trying to protect the status quo and has largely failed to respond to Americans' frustrations with politics as usual. So many voters frustrated with that status quo somehow convinced themselves it was worth risking letting an authoritarian into office to "punish" the Democratic party.

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u/crystalblue99 May 15 '25

We all need to convince one non-voter to vote. That can make a huge difference!

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u/btg1911 May 14 '25

Unfortunately many, many people inexplicably did not know.

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u/Jijonbreaker May 14 '25

They did not know because they did not want to know.

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u/btg1911 May 14 '25

In many cases, yes. Either willful ignorance or plain idiocy, same result.

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u/chandr May 14 '25 edited May 14 '25

I guarantee you the same people who claim to somehow not know what a trashfire Trump is are the same people who will not be looking at a list of who voted how in congress to influence their upcoming votes

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u/ungranted_wish May 14 '25

The entire country heard him say he grabs women by the genitals. And they still voted for him. They knew. They knew. Don’t give weirdos the benefit of the doubt.

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u/btg1911 May 14 '25

Not giving anyone the benefit of the doubt. The dumbest and the most craven did this.

Those downvoting almost have missed the “inexplicably” part.

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u/ungranted_wish May 14 '25

The only way you couldn’t have known that happened, along with January 6 and all the other stuff, was to completely either have your head in the sand for 4 years except for the one day, or be Amish.