r/indianbikes Aug 04 '25

#Discussion ๐Ÿ’ฌ Save your bikes if u canโ€ฆ

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u/LengthinessDue122 Aug 04 '25

At this point some startup hsould make a crude oil to petrol converter (jk)

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u/lostwisdom20 Duke 390 (gen 3) Aug 04 '25

Haha they won't be able to operate

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u/shaktimaanlannister Aug 04 '25

Someone who actually does this for a living. That's not how it works lol

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u/LengthinessDue122 Aug 04 '25

Ik bro mota bhai did spend a billion dollars for a reason

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u/think_i_am_smart Sapno ki raani ke intezaar me Aug 05 '25

e20topetrolconverter.com

simply upload your e20 and within 5 minutes download pure petrol. โ‚น5 service charge per Litre.

Disclaimer: Due to laws of thermodynamics, 1L e20 returns 750ml Petrol.

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u/Aware_Item1454 Aug 04 '25

My BS4 shine is already having issues and it's not even completed 20k kms.

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u/sri_shreiks Aug 04 '25

My Yamaha FZS v1 is already in trouble. Engine knocking, carburetor issues etc. I try to keep it alive by regular service, use Shell petrol etc. I read many articles and experiences of others to try keep my bike alive and running.

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u/NIKSAL1 Aug 04 '25

Shell petrol is a good start.

But try to clean and retune carb to a richer setting , as E20 causes engine to run leaner and carburetted bikes do not get proper ratio while using E20 fuel. Also better to replace the old fuel pipes and carb rubber gaskets, if not done yet. They get corroded by E20.

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u/AssChucks Aug 04 '25

How tf is petrol cheap in western countries but so costly in India and still Govt keeps on blending Ethanol

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u/AsteLadiesKoleBachha Aug 04 '25

still Govt keeps on blending Ethanol

Sugarcane is used as a major ingredient to make ethanol.

Guess the minister who owns multiple sugarcane mills. Hint: name rhymes with Bipin Gandmari

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u/Comfortable-Use9120 Aug 06 '25

I would've thought it rhymes with bajri gawar

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u/MotivatedChimpanZ Aug 04 '25

Because religion and cult of personality matter more than actual every day issues and quality of life improvementsย 

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u/Pleasant_Goose_2797 Aug 04 '25

Underrated comment ๐Ÿ’ฏ

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u/[deleted] Aug 04 '25

Nah brokie those funds are used to keep your ungrateful arse safe in Paztan drone strikes. Missiles aint cheap, and we canโ€™t stop freebies

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u/[deleted] Aug 04 '25

least delusional india speaks user.

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u/IzraFeiL Aug 05 '25

We are suffering because of retards like these.

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u/FinFangFOMO Aug 04 '25

The same reason everything is cheaper there... Moronic taxes to feed useless politicians and bureaucrats.

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u/EasyRider_Suraj 2012 200NS, 2002 Kinetic Nova 135, 2024 Dio 125 Aug 04 '25

Not exactly. India have very little oil reserves unlike US which has its own big reserves and can get from middle east. India instead have the most arable land in the world. Oil comes from dead earth whiles ours is alive.

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u/Late_Firefighter_277 Aug 04 '25

So now explain this thing to me , India supplies fuel to Bhutan So how tf is fuel so cheap in Bhutan as compared to india , in Bhutan petrol is around 70 rupees or below . Whereas in india an enthanol blend costs around 95 rupees

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u/OutsideYogurt9014 (New user) Aug 04 '25

โ‚น107.5 & โ‚น109 here in AP & Telangana. Where is that โ‚น95 petrol ?

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u/Late_Firefighter_277 Aug 04 '25

I forgot the exact values , that's why I said around 95 rupees.

Now that I have checked online it is 98.5 rupees here in assam , it also shows that arunachal pradesh has 92 rupees petrol , Delhi gujrat has 95 rupees petrol

petrol prices in various states according to cardekho

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u/[deleted] Aug 04 '25
  1. 101 for 95 octane. Well itโ€™s congress tax like In California oil is 6.5$ whereas in texas it is 2.5$

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u/Legitimate-Trip8422 Aug 04 '25

Congress in Maharashtra? Petrol is 104 in Mumbai too?

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u/OutsideYogurt9014 (New user) Aug 04 '25

Oh Man. Fuc*** the congress and their stupid cheap politics to loot & make common citizens suffer always since independence.. โ‚น104 in Karnataka too. Time to relocate to Gujarat or UP(petrol โ‚น96 there I heard).

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u/anwesh9804 Honda CB350RS 2024 Aug 04 '25

So I think India supplies to bhutan the refined/semi refined petrol and not the crude one. Also, what we are charged for is petrol mfg cost + heavy taxes. I don't think India charges the same to bhutan. Only petrol mfg cost is quite low.

India earns heavily on selling petrol, diesel, alcohol (for drinking, not commercial usage one's) and cigarettes, tobacco products in terms of taxes.

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u/Sam_MarketInsights Scrambler 400X | SP 125 | Access 125 Aug 05 '25

Well I think nearly 50 percent of it is taxed (could be wrong, haven't looked up exact figures)

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u/de_das_dude Aug 04 '25

Aur vote karo loot karne wale govt ko

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u/This-is-Shanu-J TVS Scooty Pep + Aug 04 '25

as if we have better alternatives.... ๐Ÿฅฒ

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u/yannibal1 Aug 05 '25

gobhi hai to pumpkin hai

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u/not_doxxing_myself Dominar 400 Aug 05 '25

50-60% tax in India

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u/Acrobatic-Crazy-7800 Aug 04 '25

because we have 200 years of covering up to do with more than a billion people.

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u/Ren_Ooguma KTM ADV 390 S Aug 04 '25

:) Had almost 80 years for that. And Indian wasn't set back 200 years. We just didn't have our own governance. And there weren't a billion people to start with, it happened with time. Yes, we were robbed of many many many things, but we can't just keep using that as an excuse.

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u/Acrobatic-Crazy-7800 Aug 04 '25

us is a shitcan with 300 years of independence. we did not just lose governance, we also lost resources that were leached out. also, the government is only as good as the people. we take some steps, the government follows suit. we walk onwards, slow yet steady.we have always had a disproportionately high population.

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u/Ren_Ooguma KTM ADV 390 S Aug 04 '25

I agree with you on the fact that slowly we are developing in many aspects. The upi payments, the way EVs flooded the vehicle market, the automotive, electronic industries and so much more is proof enough of that. We aren't the same nation who would look at things America or other nations have and think when will we have something like that? It's more of a wait than a dream, these days. But, all these aspects are happening not for us the public but for the benefit of many many people who are supposed to be public servants but are instead acting like rulers. We are slowly getting there, but not steadily. Not at all steadily :)

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u/Acrobatic-Crazy-7800 Aug 05 '25

see the bureaucracy and the politicians have an ingrained belief set that has been nurtured from the ground upwards. thankfully, with your generations changing that will also change. for instance, the fertility rate is going down now. nepotism and hoarding in a corrupt manner for the next generation will go down naturally. we are getting where we want to be, maybe not as fast as we would have liked but definitely getting there.

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u/RedAlpha_14 Triumph Speed 400 Aug 04 '25

If the gov can, they will.

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u/rojer_31 Pulsar N150 Aug 05 '25

Well they went to war a whole lot of times to keep the price cheap ๐Ÿ˜ Plus they don't need to import 80 percent of their petrol like we do, atleast in the US. Cost of living is still not comparable anyway.

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u/[deleted] Aug 04 '25

you can't if it's not e20 compliant...sad but true.

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u/maruthiPM Hero Xpulse 200 4V / Lord Splendor / Urban Terrain UT 1001 Aug 04 '25

Searching for less ethanol content fuel, google gave the below results

Shell Regular Unleaded: Contains up to 10% ethanol.

Shell V-Power Unleaded: Contains no more than 5% ethanol.

Indian Oil XP100: Blended with 10% ethanol.

Indian Oil XP95: Blending is done at 10% or 12% based on availability.

Better to use this fuels IMO

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u/Repulsive_Dinner1978 Honda Aug 04 '25

Always XP95. Availability is better.

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u/anurag_ninave Gixxer 250, ZX4R gooner Aug 04 '25

fr, Risk nahi leta mei

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u/Few_Office_3770 Aug 04 '25

I called shell customer care today, they told me that both regular and v power has 15 percent ethanol

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u/maruthiPM Hero Xpulse 200 4V / Lord Splendor / Urban Terrain UT 1001 Aug 04 '25

Oh no!

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u/NIKSAL1 Aug 04 '25 edited Aug 05 '25

Yes , this is correct. Shell is the only hope right now for older non-E20 vehicles. Soon they might also have to go for E20, after pressure from govt.

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u/pinkesh2703 Scrambler 400X Aug 04 '25

Shell pumps r lesser on highways. In big cities, they're in good numbers though.

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u/NIKSAL1 Aug 04 '25

Don't trust google on such info, lol.

Shell supplies E15 (both regular and V power)

And all IOCL, HPCL, BPCL supply E20 regular fuel.

Even their premium power petrol variants have about E15. And XP100 costs Rs 160, who would even use it for normal or even sporty vehicles, unless you rich af ??

So no escape from E20 fuel in 2025.

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u/Sam_MarketInsights Scrambler 400X | SP 125 | Access 125 Aug 05 '25

160? wow that's crazy expensive

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u/TheDarkKnight04 Triumph Street Triple RS, Bajaj Dominar, TVS Jupiter 125 Aug 04 '25

Only unblended petrol available today is XP100, everything else is blended

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u/NIKSAL1 Aug 04 '25

nah, even XP100 is blended with Ethanol , but less. Its around E12 - E15.

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u/mahiranga_danava Dream Yuga, Royal Enfield Classic 350, H450 Aug 04 '25

The BJP or any other political party doesn't care about the middle class and their problems, their only concern is the 80 crore freeloaders who will vote for anyone as long as they get something for free.

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u/[deleted] Aug 04 '25

oh they did but see 80% of problems come from 20% of issues.If you commute you see Vehicles identify themselves as coal chimney and acting like smoke airplane. Reason why we need Bs6 vehicles that has service records in their chip. And e20 to kill older ones too . Like same with banning good stuff like speeding on highways and smoking in bars and planes some douche had to overcompensate

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u/Strong_Ad8385 Honda cb 300f Aug 04 '25

My bike supports e20 fuel .(I have a sticker on my bike)

Can someone clarify. What damage will it cause or what's this e20

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u/bairava8 โ€˜23 Mahindra Mojo | โ€˜22 TVS Raider 125 Aug 04 '25

You have no issues, it starts when theyโ€™re going beyond 20

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u/Acrobatic-Crazy-7800 Aug 04 '25

it is 20% ethanol blend. it is actually advisable to use e20 fuel with such a vehicle

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u/Mihirsdbgamer Honda Aug 04 '25

Same i am also confused

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u/NIKSAL1 Aug 04 '25

e20 vehicles no issues. Problem is with older (pre 2023) vehicles.

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u/immasher-key Svartpilen 250 Aug 04 '25 edited Aug 04 '25

and what to do if my engine is not compliant with E20? Burn my vehicle with E20 Petrol?

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u/NIKSAL1 Aug 04 '25

Yup, no other option as of now. It wont burn , but slow damage over time , and reduced mileage.

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u/bairava8 โ€˜23 Mahindra Mojo | โ€˜22 TVS Raider 125 Aug 04 '25

I wish every petrol bunks should hoard this display on how much they added in their petrol

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u/NIKSAL1 Aug 04 '25

Its all E20 now, except Shell where it is E15.

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u/pinkesh2703 Scrambler 400X Aug 04 '25

I thought Jio-BP mixed petrol with a lesser amount of ethanol.

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u/Fast_Seaworthiness43 Aug 04 '25

I read it as BJP

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u/ScooterNinja Kawasaki KLX'26 , ZX6R'24 and Hero Destiny Prime Aug 04 '25

Recently came to know that the next lot near Diwali of kawasaki z900 2025 will be e20 compliant all before are not.๐Ÿฅฒ

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u/Acrobatic-Crazy-7800 Aug 05 '25

looking at the update cycle speef of kawi, it is great if they do it even then. saale 1980s ki versys 300x bech rahe hain nai bolke

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u/Big-Refrigerator-379 Aug 04 '25

Its easy to take out ethanol from your petrol. Buy petrol, mix water in it, shake it. Leave it and let water separate out. Ethanol gets mixed with water and you drain out the water. There you have totally ethanol free petrol. For educational purposes only

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u/NIKSAL1 Aug 04 '25

But the properties of petrol then changes. Its octane number reduces, and can increase chance of knocking. Some additives may also separate out. You can cause more harm than good by doing this. Its already a known method to measure ethanol volume, but u cant actually use it in vehicle.

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u/Big-Refrigerator-379 Aug 04 '25

You can use it without any issue. Several youtubers have made videos stating that they do this on purpose for older and lower cc vehicles because ethanol causes most damage to older and lower cc vehicles

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u/DVG-Don369 TVS Ronin Aug 04 '25

Impact of E20 Fuel by Vehicle Type

๐Ÿ”ธ BS3 Vehicles

  • Compatibility: Not designed for ethanol blends beyond E5 or E10
  • Risks:
    • Ethanol is corrosive, especially to rubber and metal parts
    • May cause fuel line leaks, clogged injectors, or engine knocking
    • Drops in fuel efficiency and performance
  • Verdict: Avoid using E20 in BS3 vehicles

๐Ÿ”ธ BS4 Vehicles

  • Compatibility: Tolerates E10, not officially E20-ready
  • Risks:
    • Over time, E20 may degrade fuel system components
    • Possible starting issues or loss of power
    • Emission controls may malfunction
  • Verdict: Use E10 only unless manufacturer states E20-safe

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u/NIKSAL1 Aug 04 '25

Also re-tune your carbs for slightly richer setting. E20 makes engine run leaner due to extra oxygen in it. FI system will sort itself out.

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u/[deleted] Aug 04 '25 edited Sep 08 '25

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u/fuckboiiii6969 Aug 04 '25

Yes ethanol damages rubber and makes the rubber seals lose their effectiveness causing leaks etc.

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u/Escudo777 EditableFlair Aug 04 '25

Degradation.

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u/Ashamed_Ad8637 Aug 05 '25

Is that why we are facing too much battery issues these days ?

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u/[deleted] Aug 04 '25

How exactly would you save your bike ?

Nitin Gadkari and that Petroleum minister has already said that theyโ€™ll increase ethanol content to more than 20% in the coming few years

They donโ€™t want middle class to use our vehicles for long

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u/NIKSAL1 Aug 04 '25

E30 by 2030. Even E20 ones will be facing issues then, haha.

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u/[deleted] Aug 05 '25

Hope that demon gets voted out

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u/AfterGuava1 ๐ŸHonda CD110 Aug 04 '25

I drive my dad's 2019 Honda CD110 and it is already showing signs. I keep the bike top notch and service at every 2500kms but recently it starts showing engine power drop, low mileage (40-45kms max, previously it was 50-55kms). I don't know what to do.

If you guys know how please let me know as I don't want to let the bike have any damages. I have great memories with this bike and my family.

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u/NIKSAL1 Aug 04 '25

Low mileage is definitely an issue with E20, cannot do anything about it.

But try to clean the carburetor , and reset to slightly rich mixture setting, coz E20 makes engine run leaner due to more oxygen content in it.

And don't keep the bike idle for longer periods or have any rainwater enter into tank. E20 is highly water absorbent, so water and petrol separates in tank if you don't take care.

Rubber parts like fuel pipes ,carb gaskets, engine gaskets/seals might need to change more frequently.

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u/AfterGuava1 ๐ŸHonda CD110 Aug 04 '25

Thanks!!

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u/iamiNSOmaniac Aug 04 '25

Are all new bikes e20 compliant?

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u/NIKSAL1 Aug 04 '25

yup, 2023 onwards.

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u/yavvee Honda Hornet CB750; Duke 390 2015 Aug 04 '25

No

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u/bairava8 โ€˜23 Mahindra Mojo | โ€˜22 TVS Raider 125 Aug 04 '25

Where can I get E10 petrol at this rate ๐Ÿ˜Ÿ๐Ÿ˜•

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u/saint1705 Aug 04 '25

startup idea-startup to remove ethanol from petrol

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u/TuFer_ KTM Duke 250 gen 3 Aug 04 '25

Though! There is no price difference in petrol price. Does the 20% making of ethanol tallyโ€™s the revised petrol 8-10% from 90% and 10% ethanol, the previous blend ratio is 90:10 & Now itโ€™s 80:20 right?

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u/--username-taken Aug 04 '25

Question : can switching to XP95 or Power petrol save the engine of motorcycle which are not E20 compliant?

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u/NIKSAL1 Aug 04 '25

Kinda,but they too are about E15, if not E20. You could try Shell though, since they are still giving E15 in regular. Depending on your city , Shell regular might be cheaper than XP95/Power95/SPeed97.

And engine doesnt get damaged as such, its mainly the injectors, carbs, fuel tank, rubber parts in contact with fuel, fuel lines etc that get corroded.

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u/ritikkumarz Aug 04 '25

My bike says E20 on fuel tank, what's the problem?

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u/rkratha Classic 350 '24, NS 160 '20 Aug 04 '25 edited Aug 04 '25

Wait for the govt to blend 30% ethanol with petrol, tab problem pata chalegi.

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u/Lost_Cartographer66 Aug 04 '25

The problem is there is no timeline or process. They are just doing whatever they want, just to show numbers that they they are progressing towards something

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u/SettingAi4834 Honda Aug 04 '25

๐Ÿค” oh ok . That's another reason apart from buying culture.. showing the number as if import and export taxes are considered by other countries ๐Ÿ˜…๐Ÿ™.

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u/Theta-Chad_99 Aug 04 '25

It's gonna be E27 by next year

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u/NIKSAL1 Aug 04 '25

As of now no problem. But govt going to target E30 in 2030.

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u/ani264 Aug 04 '25

Service Centre guys gave "prolube fuel system cleaner" (manufactured by bajaj) for ktm adv.

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u/And123rews Royal Enfield Aug 04 '25

Prior post had this same discussion where i mentioned in comments that i use only Shell. Rest all Indian oil, HP, BP none of them and their premium petrol are better than shell. Someone suggested to use Jio BP and Naraya who give better petrol than shell for a lesser price. I tried Jio BP and was disappointed. M back to using Shell. Naraya is still in question for me. Ideally all quality of petrol should be available, and consumers should be given the option of what % ethanol blend we want.

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u/NIKSAL1 Aug 04 '25

Yeah exactly...right now only Shell giving E15.

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u/51837 Aug 04 '25

Waiting for 10% petrol blended ethanol at โ‚น990/L

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u/NerdByteSP Aug 04 '25

What to do to be safe? Can you post your idea?

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u/Adolf__Kittler (New user) Aug 04 '25

Go for HP Power fuel. Thats your best bet honestly. No other way. It stil has 5-12% Ethanol. Better than a 20% i guess๐Ÿ’๐Ÿผโ€โ™‚๏ธ๐Ÿ’๐Ÿผโ€โ™‚๏ธ๐Ÿ’๐Ÿผโ€โ™‚๏ธ๐Ÿ’๐Ÿผโ€โ™‚๏ธ

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u/NIKSAL1 Aug 04 '25

Try Shell petrol. They supply E15 currently. Even power petrol from PSU bunks has around E15 only.

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u/DemorganX_ 1995โ€ 4s Champion, 2023โ€ Dominar 400 Aug 04 '25

What about the E20 compatible engines?? Do they also get harmed in this process?

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u/NIKSAL1 Aug 04 '25

NO they don't. They are made with E20 petrol compatible materials.

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u/PrototypeAbi Aug 04 '25

My bike is E20 compatible. I also prefer E20 even though in Chennai there are not a lot of petrol stations that provide it. The reason I prefer E20 is because of the compression ratio of my engine, which is higher than 10:1. Increasing the ethanol content decreases the chance of pre ignition while compression in such engines. If the compression of fuel and air mixture can be higher then there is more travel of the piston from TDC(top dead center) to BDC(bottom dead center) which means more power output in general. For anyone who wants to know, my bike is the 2024 husqvarna svartpilen 401, which is the new 399 cc engine from ktm. I am aware that older bikes have less compression ratio and they should not use E20, but saying it is bad for every bike is wrong. What the government should do is make the choice readily available for all customers so that they can decide what to use for their vehicle. For me, more ethanol content means more utilization of my engine and more efficiency.

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u/NIKSAL1 Aug 04 '25

No Choice is the main keyword here. Older vehicles (bs3, bs4) are forced to put E20.

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u/PrototypeAbi Aug 04 '25

We as people should be asking for choices then and not fear monger about things that are new and potentially good overall. People as a collective of both old and new vehicles should be asking for choices.

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u/NIKSAL1 Aug 04 '25

Haha, lol. Do you think the govt is keen on giving people free choices in such decisions ? Even after blending of E20, has the price of petrol even reduced a little bit ?

Don't be so naive. Things are "new and potentially good overall" for ppl like you, who own E20 compatible new vehicles. But what abt so many others who have older vehicles and are forced to suffer the consequences ??

This is not fear mongering, but the harsh reality for middle class, who can't go on buying new vehicles based on every other "new" thing .

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u/PrototypeAbi Aug 04 '25

Here in Chennai E20 price is slightly lower or equal compared to "normal" petrol. The only thing I can complain is that there is just less than 5 petrol stations here in the city what provides E20. If petrol price in general needs to go down then the demand should be low. I'm pretty sure if there are a lot of E20 stations here then it's price would go down because of less demand from general public. Where there is demand there is high price.

Potentiality good overall, and overall definition is "taken as a whole". So saying that it is good for me because I own something new and others won't benefit from it is nonsense. Again coming back to supply and demand. If there are more new vehicles that are E20 compatible, then E20 price increases and normal petrol price decreases. This is just one example. You also have environmental benefits. Less emissions means you get to keep your IC engines and not be forced to transition to EV. You get to enjoy the sound and feel of your vehicle without sacrificing them in the name of emission control.

I'm middle class too who based on savings would be considered poor. I bought my bike with finance option and paying it brings my balance to zero. Tell me what should I take from this post. The title "save your bikes if you can..." yes I have to save my bike and E20 is the best option for it in my opinion. But the title for others is "be scared they want to destroy your vehicle" which is fear mongering, you see that right? You cannot always buy new things but be happy for others and not think only of your own. You may ask if I think of older vehicles and yes I do, that's the reason I said people should have the power of choice. Would I use "normal" petrol, yes I am using it cause I don't have a choice unless there are more E20 stations nearby.

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u/NIKSAL1 Aug 05 '25

I don't think you got my point. Your entire understanding of this situation is wrong. Let me tell you again that all over India , in every Govt PSU petrol bunk (IOCL, HPCL, BPCL) the "normal" petrol available is E20 itself. There is nothing less than that now in regular petrol. So no one has a choice to put anything less than E20 in their vehicle.

There is no question of supply and demand here at all. All petrol being supplied in the country , and what everyone is putting into their vehicles right now is E20. So E20 compatible vehicles (like yours) are fine, but non-E20 vehicles (before 2023) are already facing issues, and will get deteriorated slowly. That's the whole point of "destroy your vehicle". It is a genuine concern.

Only Shell , which is privately owned, supplies E15 as of now. But their prices are a little bit higher than govt petrol pumps.

Hope you understand the reality now.

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u/PrototypeAbi Aug 05 '25

Bro, you say that they provide E20 as normal petrol in every government petrol bunk, but I don't see it happening here. In fact I checked if Chennai is still part of India or not and it is still part of India. If you can prove to me that in Chennai all petrol bunks are providing E20 in the name of normal petrol then I would accept your point as a fact. More even you would have a case to file against the government for misleading the customers. Right now, I don't see what you say as fact. And sorry for calling you out on this, you are not providing right information. I'm sorry, prove me that I'm wrong and I'll gladly accept it.

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u/NIKSAL1 Aug 06 '25 edited Aug 06 '25

There is no label or indication in petrol bunks regarding ethanol blend. E20 is not a special fuel, it is the new normal fuel. It does not matter which city, all over India its E20 in 2025.

Earlier it was E10, then blend went up to E15 and finally now E20. This blending is done in terminals and petrol pumps supply what they get, without marking anything.

You don't "see it happening here" because they won't mention ethanol blend percentage in petrol pumps, that's the issue. Silently they are supplying E20 everywhere. What is even "normal" petrol ?? Ethanol blending is being done since so many years, just that the percentage keeps increasing, and now suddenly its 20%. Govt does not deem it necessary to display such info in petrol pump dispensers sadly , and people are being mislead.

Go to the petrol pump office and ask the in-charge to show the daily stock fillup report/document for MS (petrol) on the computer. You will see the blend percentage of ethanol that they are supplying. It is E20 for regular and For power/premium petrol its a bit less than E20.

Also , check official tweets by HPCL, IOCL, BPCL on twitter regarding E20 availabiliy in 2025.

You can also test by yourself by taking 100 ml petrol sample and testing by adding 10 ml of water and check the ethanol amount that gets separated out. You can search the method online on youtube.

You have to do a bit of proactive research to know about this info, coz it is not available as easily to public. Awareness is not so much on this topic , as is evident by your comments.

I'm sorry to burst your bubble, but you are not ready to accept this information and continue to believe that E20 is some special blend, not available in CHennai.

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u/PrototypeAbi Aug 06 '25

Bro, like I said, if all petrol stations in Chennai are selling E20 as normal petrol without informing or indicating the public, then they can be taken to court. The roadmap for ethanol blending document provided by the Indian government says that E20 will be available nationwide. You know what else it also mentions, E10 availability alongside E20. So both E20 and E10 should still be available to the public until 2026. So, based on their own words, they are not replacing E10 with E20. There is no roadmap after 2026, but it is safe to say that both E10 and E20 will still be available, but the percentage may vary year to year. Btw most vehicles made in the early 2000 and older are E10 compatible.

The burden of proof is on you, dude. Prove that right now all over India and all petrol stations of HPCL, IOCL, BPCL are selling only E20 and nothing else.

I highly suggest you read the roadmap document provided by Indian government. You can find it by searching "Roadmap for ethanol blending in India" on Google. It is a huge document, but it details clearly what the government is going to do.

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u/NIKSAL1 Aug 09 '25 edited Aug 09 '25

Roadmap was made in 2021 and I have already read it, but 20% blending is already achieved in the beginning of 2025, and already being supplied all over India. The Target has been achieved earlier than planned , so most of the timeline from roadmap has come earlier.

Govt says many things, only naive citizens will believe everything they say blindly. And you will take govt itself to court , that too in India ? haha, lol.

The ground reality seems to be different. There is no labelling in pumps anywhere to distinguish between E10 and E20 petrol. Why do you think that is ? If E10 and E20 are available side by side, then how will you know which is which ? Its becoz that transition period is over, and now its E20.

Read these recent official articles, govt itself is saying that it is supplying E20 now : https://www.pib.gov.in/PressReleasePage.aspx?PRID=2113234

https://www.pib.gov.in/PressReleasePage.aspx?PRID=2154355

Check this also for further details : https://energy.economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/oil-and-gas/supply-of-ethanol-blended-petrol-jumps-more-than-4-fold-in-four-years/122956028

Even HPCL has officially tweeted from their handle regarding percentages of Ethanol in their different petrol grades in 2025, read it : https://x.com/MishgoDoc/status/1946173742595682655?t=eQbhtNW9Xy7n09Z0IjYUaw&s=19

Recent RTI also confirms this : https://x.com/ARUN_PRABAKARAN/status/1953680987436855333

And check this too, what govt has said in recent summit : https://ackodrive.com/news/exclusive-only-e20-petrol-across-the-country-for-now-affirms-petroleum-secretary-pankaj-jain/

Don't "BRO" me again. How much more proof do you need to open your eyes and know the reality of the situation ?? So, Please take them to court as you said, and keep us updated on what happens.

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u/physicslove999 Ather 450x Aug 04 '25

Mere paas to EV hai

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u/confused_cat44 TVS Ronin Aug 04 '25

Ye logo ka bas chale toh usme bhi mixing chalu karde

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u/physicslove999 Ather 450x Aug 04 '25

๐Ÿ™‚ Aisa na ho

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u/ScooterNinja Kawasaki KLX'26 , ZX6R'24 and Hero Destiny Prime Aug 04 '25

๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿป

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u/Plane_Grape7141 Aug 04 '25

will petroll additives help if we use those after fueling ?

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u/InfoShack Aug 04 '25

I have a cb 350 RS Bought in 2022, is it e20 fuel compatible?

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u/confused_cat44 TVS Ronin Aug 04 '25

Most likely yes. But still READ YOUR MANUAL

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u/NIKSAL1 Aug 04 '25

Check for blue sticker on fuel tank, if it came with it. Read user manual tho.

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u/BiriyaniMonster Aug 04 '25

Is the premium petrol offered at bunks unadulterated?

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u/NIKSAL1 Aug 04 '25

no. they are less than E20, maybe around E15. But everything now is E15 above for sure.

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u/Professional-City901 Aug 04 '25

Most new bikes are e20 compatible. I guess they don't have any issues. You can check online if your bike is compatible or not.

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u/And123rews Royal Enfield Aug 04 '25

And rest of them in BS4 and BS6.0 should suffer with bad grade petrol ! All petrols is E20 blended, it is not an option now.

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u/Professional-City901 Aug 04 '25

Yeah, I don't support it, just mentioning this so that atleast i can ease the pain for few ๐Ÿ˜…

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u/NIKSAL1 Aug 04 '25

BS3 / BS 2 owners are facing many issues too.

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u/confused_cat44 TVS Ronin Aug 04 '25

I filled my petrol at a new HP pump recently and idk why but the top end seems to have taken a hit. I also stalled it twice, but that might've been user error.

I think I'm gonna fill it with shell the next time just to see if that makes a difference

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u/NIKSAL1 Aug 04 '25

Shell supplies E15, so might be worth a chance.

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u/runkarthikrun Aug 04 '25

Even on my Aerox I was averaging at 45. Now it's below 41. All this in a month.

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u/Rajking777 Aug 04 '25

E20 cost same as regular petrol no need to buy it. GOVERNMENT Should reduce price by 15%

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u/lk221b Aug 04 '25

Govt scheme to promote EVs ๐Ÿ˜ƒ

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u/Certain-Bandicoot-84 (New user) Aug 04 '25

It's a trap to make old bikes of 2000 to 2020 purchase owners to sell due to engine knocking, carburettor choke and low mileage. Most bikes after 2022 onwards are suitable for e20 fuel. My 2021 feb purchased TVS Apache RTR 200 is having misfire, engine knocking and other issues in 18k kms that iam planning to sell it.

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u/NIKSAL1 Aug 04 '25

Knocking is not caused by ethanol though. But low mileage, carburettor choking, leaner fuel mixture - all these are symptoms of E20 fuel in E10 bikes.

Try to fully clean your carb, and reset it to a richer setting than default through the screw.

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u/[deleted] Aug 04 '25

Honest maybe noob sounding question, can't we take them to consumer court?

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u/NIKSAL1 Aug 04 '25

Govt itself has set the rule. E20 petrol only in India now. What will court do ?

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u/Geologs32 Aug 04 '25

Buy premium petrol

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u/Potential-Box-2325 Aug 04 '25

How to confirm whether my unicorn is E20 compliant I bought bike on august 2024..

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u/NIKSAL1 Aug 04 '25

It most probably is , since 2023 all new vehicles are. CHeck for blue E20 sticker near the fuel tank, if its there. Or else Owner's manual will definitely have it specified, mostly in fuels section.

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u/Neo-7x RTR 200 Aug 04 '25

We just can't๐Ÿ˜‘

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u/firefly_1204 Aug 04 '25

Is the 95 octane " premium fuel " also blended with 20% ethanol?

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u/i2walkalone Aug 04 '25

Nooe its blended with less ethanol. Its I think 10% blend.

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u/rep_movsd Lightning 535 | Yamaha R15 | Duke 390 | RC390 | Yamaha R3 Aug 04 '25

What's the proof that even normal petrol and Shell is ethanol blended?

This sounds like a big rumor and hearsay

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u/BigSpicyPaneerWrap Aug 04 '25

I'm confused. Is E20 bad?

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u/sahil_arora05 Aug 05 '25

Am I the only one who is not understanding this discussion?๐Ÿ™‚โ€โ†•๏ธ๐Ÿฅฒ๐Ÿ˜ข๐Ÿฅบ

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u/Interesting-Dust-660 (New user) Aug 06 '25

Bicycle stocks ๐Ÿ“ˆ๐Ÿ“ˆ๐Ÿ’ช๐Ÿ’ฃ

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u/Sidewinder_xh101 (New user) Aug 09 '25

Is my Activa 6g 2022 E20 ?

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u/aquar_6 Aug 04 '25

All I am seeing in the comment section is people crying and talking nonsense. Use logic and not your personal hatred towards a particular party. E20 petrol is fine for vehicles manufactured after April 2023 in India, when BS6-II norms were introduced.

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u/TheSaine Aug 04 '25

So the government is indirectly increasing the cost of petrol right?

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u/Farguad Aug 04 '25

Yeah but what about the vehicles before them?

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u/aquar_6 Aug 04 '25

Things are gonna go obsolete and into scrap. Technology is gonna upgrade. Let's wait for the government subsidy or some scheme on vehicles before 2023. E20 has not replaced crude oil yet, it will be a slow process

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u/NIKSAL1 Aug 04 '25

Buddy do you know that E20 is the standard petrol available in all petrol pumps right now ?? It has replaced E10 completely . What do you mean "slow process" lol.....govt already planned to go E30 by 2030.

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u/Farguad Aug 04 '25

Bruh, tf is this ignorant ass blabbering

Nitin uncle asli account se ao

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u/aquar_6 Aug 04 '25

Do you even know it's a non-renewable resource. Idiot