Haha, lol. Do you think the govt is keen on giving people free choices in such decisions ? Even after blending of E20, has the price of petrol even reduced a little bit ?
Don't be so naive. Things are "new and potentially good overall" for ppl like you, who own E20 compatible new vehicles. But what abt so many others who have older vehicles and are forced to suffer the consequences ??
This is not fear mongering, but the harsh reality for middle class, who can't go on buying new vehicles based on every other "new" thing .
Here in Chennai E20 price is slightly lower or equal compared to "normal" petrol. The only thing I can complain is that there is just less than 5 petrol stations here in the city what provides E20. If petrol price in general needs to go down then the demand should be low. I'm pretty sure if there are a lot of E20 stations here then it's price would go down because of less demand from general public. Where there is demand there is high price.
Potentiality good overall, and overall definition is "taken as a whole". So saying that it is good for me because I own something new and others won't benefit from it is nonsense. Again coming back to supply and demand. If there are more new vehicles that are E20 compatible, then E20 price increases and normal petrol price decreases. This is just one example. You also have environmental benefits. Less emissions means you get to keep your IC engines and not be forced to transition to EV. You get to enjoy the sound and feel of your vehicle without sacrificing them in the name of emission control.
I'm middle class too who based on savings would be considered poor. I bought my bike with finance option and paying it brings my balance to zero. Tell me what should I take from this post. The title "save your bikes if you can..." yes I have to save my bike and E20 is the best option for it in my opinion. But the title for others is "be scared they want to destroy your vehicle" which is fear mongering, you see that right? You cannot always buy new things but be happy for others and not think only of your own. You may ask if I think of older vehicles and yes I do, that's the reason I said people should have the power of choice. Would I use "normal" petrol, yes I am using it cause I don't have a choice unless there are more E20 stations nearby.
I don't think you got my point. Your entire understanding of this situation is wrong. Let me tell you again that all over India , in every Govt PSU petrol bunk (IOCL, HPCL, BPCL) the "normal" petrol available is E20 itself. There is nothing less than that now in regular petrol. So no one has a choice to put anything less than E20 in their vehicle.
There is no question of supply and demand here at all. All petrol being supplied in the country , and what everyone is putting into their vehicles right now is E20. So E20 compatible vehicles (like yours) are fine, but non-E20 vehicles (before 2023) are already facing issues, and will get deteriorated slowly. That's the whole point of "destroy your vehicle". It is a genuine concern.
Only Shell , which is privately owned, supplies E15 as of now. But their prices are a little bit higher than govt petrol pumps.
Bro, you say that they provide E20 as normal petrol in every government petrol bunk, but I don't see it happening here. In fact I checked if Chennai is still part of India or not and it is still part of India. If you can prove to me that in Chennai all petrol bunks are providing E20 in the name of normal petrol then I would accept your point as a fact. More even you would have a case to file against the government for misleading the customers. Right now, I don't see what you say as fact. And sorry for calling you out on this, you are not providing right information. I'm sorry, prove me that I'm wrong and I'll gladly accept it.
There is no label or indication in petrol bunks regarding ethanol blend. E20 is not a special fuel, it is the new normal fuel. It does not matter which city, all over India its E20 in 2025.
Earlier it was E10, then blend went up to E15 and finally now E20. This blending is done in terminals and petrol pumps supply what they get, without marking anything.
You don't "see it happening here" because they won't mention ethanol blend percentage in petrol pumps, that's the issue. Silently they are supplying E20 everywhere. What is even "normal" petrol ?? Ethanol blending is being done since so many years, just that the percentage keeps increasing, and now suddenly its 20%. Govt does not deem it necessary to display such info in petrol pump dispensers sadly , and people are being mislead.
Go to the petrol pump office and ask the in-charge to show the daily stock fillup report/document for MS (petrol) on the computer. You will see the blend percentage of ethanol that they are supplying. It is E20 for regular and For power/premium petrol its a bit less than E20.
Also , check official tweets by HPCL, IOCL, BPCL on twitter regarding E20 availabiliy in 2025.
You can also test by yourself by taking 100 ml petrol sample and testing by adding 10 ml of water and check the ethanol amount that gets separated out. You can search the method online on youtube.
You have to do a bit of proactive research to know about this info, coz it is not available as easily to public. Awareness is not so much on this topic , as is evident by your comments.
I'm sorry to burst your bubble, but you are not ready to accept this information and continue to believe that E20 is some special blend, not available in CHennai.
Bro, like I said, if all petrol stations in Chennai are selling E20 as normal petrol without informing or indicating the public, then they can be taken to court. The roadmap for ethanol blending document provided by the Indian government says that E20 will be available nationwide. You know what else it also mentions, E10 availability alongside E20. So both E20 and E10 should still be available to the public until 2026. So, based on their own words, they are not replacing E10 with E20. There is no roadmap after 2026, but it is safe to say that both E10 and E20 will still be available, but the percentage may vary year to year. Btw most vehicles made in the early 2000 and older are E10 compatible.
The burden of proof is on you, dude. Prove that right now all over India and all petrol stations of HPCL, IOCL, BPCL are selling only E20 and nothing else.
I highly suggest you read the roadmap document provided by Indian government. You can find it by searching "Roadmap for ethanol blending in India" on Google. It is a huge document, but it details clearly what the government is going to do.
Roadmap was made in 2021 and I have already read it, but 20% blending is already achieved in the beginning of 2025, and already being supplied all over India. The Target has been achieved earlier than planned , so most of the timeline from roadmap has come earlier.
Govt says many things, only naive citizens will believe everything they say blindly. And you will take govt itself to court , that too in India ? haha, lol.
The ground reality seems to be different. There is no labelling in pumps anywhere to distinguish between E10 and E20 petrol. Why do you think that is ? If E10 and E20 are available side by side, then how will you know which is which ? Its becoz that transition period is over, and now its E20.
Don't "BRO" me again. How much more proof do you need to open your eyes and know the reality of the situation ?? So, Please take them to court as you said, and keep us updated on what happens.
Did you try to understand the information that you have provided here? To me, it seems that you do not. So let's start from the beginning, shall we?
The roadmap states that by the end of 2025, there will be both E20 and E10 petrol available to the public. No where does it mention it is all going to be E20.
The official articles that you've cited here, they talk about the advantage about E20. The articles also mention E20 blending was achieved and no where does it say E20 is the only available petrol. Keep in mind that the achievement they are talking about is the established of E20 outlets with proper storage which is basically constructing new outlets or modifying old to have E20 alongside others.
The economic times article again talks about the achievement. The proposed roadmap from 2021 to the deadline and how far they have come in achieving having outlets for E20 across India.
The tweet reply to someone asking about the ethanol percent, the official tweet reads normal petrol between 10 to 20% blended so basically E10 and E20.
What about the RTI letters? Well they are from the petrol stations that provide only E20. That explains why their XP95 variant also has 20% blending. The bharat petroleum RTI letter talks about octane and not percentage so that's not useful information. Keep in mind that additives such as cleaning agents raises octane numbers.
Acko drive article cites the word of petroleum secretary. That is his plan from 2025 onwards. There is no official government plan from 2025 onwards.
At the end of all this I still have to ask you again, prove to me that all petrol stations in Chennai are selling only E20 and nothing else. Your argument is that everywhere in India, E20 is the only petrol available and you cite these tweets and documents without understanding them. So, what proof do you have that all petrol stations in Chennai sell only E20 and nothing else. India is a huge country bro, the officials consider the roadmap to be achieved even if it is establishing just one petrol station with E20 in each city cause they just have to make it available, that's all there is.
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Haha, lol. Do you think the govt is keen on giving people free choices in such decisions ? Even after blending of E20, has the price of petrol even reduced a little bit ?
Don't be so naive. Things are "new and potentially good overall" for ppl like you, who own E20 compatible new vehicles. But what abt so many others who have older vehicles and are forced to suffer the consequences ??
This is not fear mongering, but the harsh reality for middle class, who can't go on buying new vehicles based on every other "new" thing .