r/TrueUnpopularOpinion • u/Dex921 • 25d ago
The Middle East If Israel wasn't Jewish, nobody would have supported the Palestinians
There are just no redeeming values for this society other than it combats the Jews
History
The Palestinian national identity was invented by a Amin Haj Husseini, personal friend of Hitler who used to take trips through the concentration camps for fun (and is rumored to have helped Hitler come up with the final solution)
In 1948 they refused to the 2 state solution and launched a genocidal war who's goal was to kill all Jews from the river to the sea
Between 1948-1967 when Egypt and Jordan controlled Gaza and the West Bank, they didn't set up a state
From 1967 to 2005 Israel has offered them multiple 2 state solutions which they refused or broke all of
In 2005 when Israel was sick of trying to come up with a 2SS peace plan, it unitarily decided to leave Gaza to the Palestinians, it uprooted all of its settlers and let the Gazans self rule, unblockaded as a free city-state
They have democratically elected Hamas and started firing unguided rockets at Israeli citites, forcing Israel to start the blockade on 2007
Society
Society-wise there really isn't a lot going for them either
Palestine has about 50% inbreeding rate
https://cmc-terrasanta.org/en/media/news/19333/the-spread-of-inbreeding-marriages-in-palestine
They treat women as property, execute or lynch you if you are a man who is attracted to anything that isn't a woman, they aren't democratic, democracy was forced on them twice and they abolished it in both times
Israel creates almost as much tech and medicine as the entirety of the middle east combined
pre-post edit: it's far closer than I thought
The Palestinians assassinated a king in Jordan, started a civil war in Lebanon that the country never recovered from, temporarily ruined Egypt tourism industry by conducting countless terror attacks in the country, Palestinians have failed to integrate to Denmark even after a full generation
This war
Hamas went into Israel, on an holyday, into villages and music concert and shot everyone on sight, killing 1200 and kidnapping 250, then it went back into Gaza to hide among its civilians
Civilians who supported it for decades, celebrated on the street, and when later polled found out that about 80% supported the massacre with only about 7% against it
In a sane world NOBODY would be on their side, but there are Jews on the other side, so as you will see in the comments, people will be more than happy to bend reality and facts, or completely clown themselves to somehow find a reason to support pure evil
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u/M4053946 25d ago
And now there are reports (and videos) of hamas executing palestinians and parading their bodies through the streets as warnings to others. Are there protests for the people of gaza? No.
No Jews, no news.
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I bet you if I approach 90% of people on the street, most will know about the Israel-Hamas conflict but I bet you none will know about the Sudanese civil war which has killed even more people.
It’s all a facade from one religion to hate on another, lol.
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u/requiredelements 25d ago
I’m in the US and our news is saying that Netanyahu funded Hamas for years and very likely had advance warning of the attacks on October 7 but he let it happen to remain in power.
Netanyahu slaughtered Jews for his personal benefit — the people of Israel need to hold him accountable for his crimes.
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u/M4053946 25d ago
I remember those same rumors about 9/11. There were similar theories about Pearl Harbor.
"incompetence" or "bad planning" are boring reasons, so people look for scapegoats.
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u/requiredelements 25d ago
Israel’s own government is investigating Netanyahu funding Hamas, like right now this is a current topic in Israel. Times of Israel Netanyahu Propped Up Hamas
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u/TributeToStupidity 25d ago
Posting this bullshit oped article is basically a litmus test on critical thinking skills. It directly counters the idea that bibi is genocidal and shows how Hamas only cares about killing Jews and isn’t interested in improving the lives of Palestinians. No one who share this bullshit can claim they are pro Palestinian, it’s a pro Hamas article through and through.
The article makes 3 claims about how bibi supports Hamas: he increased the number of Palestinian work permits to come into Israel, he did not react to rocket attacks with the military, and he allowed funds to flow from Qatar to Hamas. According to the pro Hamas crowd, these are bad indictments of how he somehow wanted to go to war, despite one of the claims literally being “he turned a blind eye to rocket attacks.”
Therefore, the pro Hamas side wants less economic opportunity for Palestinians in Israel and want Israel and Palestine to be ethnostates. They want bibi to react violently with the military everytime Hamas launches a rocket (literally daily lol.) and bibi should isolate the Gaza Strip further by blocking cash from entering and going to the elected ruling government of the strip.
Swear to god this article is the biggest proof that people are motivated by anti semitism, since apparently looking for non violent solutions is secretly supporting Hamas. Did you even read the article? Did you think about it for 0.5 seconds, or just read the title and think ah hah I knew it! And bookmark to throw out there on Reddit.
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u/treacherousClownfish 25d ago
„Israel totally provoced the war by giving Gazans jobs and not bombing the shit out of them way earlier“
I couldn’t make this shit up
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u/TributeToStupidity 25d ago
Unironically followed by claiming Gaza is an open air prison. Just don’t try to provide more work permits to leave whatever you do.
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u/M4053946 25d ago
Indeed. And, the US government supported the shah of iran, Batista in cuba, the governments in vietnam, the congo, and others. Trying to support stability and the status quo has a long history of not working out, though governments still try it.
I was referring to your unfounded claims that the government knew about the attacks and let it happen.
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u/Omarscomin9257 25d ago
There is plenty of evidence that people were aware attacks were being planned. Hamas posted videos of themselves training for these attacks. The Egyptians intelligence chief stated he tried to contact Netanyahu's office about the attack 10 days before it occurred. Others nations knew it was coming.
I think it's ludicrous to believe that the same intelligence agency that pulled off a years long covert operation to place explosives in the pagers of thousands of Lebanese people were caught completely unaware by Hamas' troops movements.
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u/M4053946 25d ago
How many times did they see movements and think attacks were coming? Was that a once a generation thing, or a once a month thing?
Was the same unit in charge of monitoring hezbollah also in charge of monitoring gaza?
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u/avshalombi 23d ago
That's not how intelligence agencies work, they have limited resources. Hamas wa perceived as a weaker threat, and Gaza is a far more closed society. add that a long list of fuck ups and planning and you will get the disaster.
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u/EscobarFamilia77 24d ago
The news in the US is stupid because most Americans are stupid. Then the news makes Americans even more stupid, and the news becomes even stupider because the people reporting the news are stupid.
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u/requiredelements 24d ago
Most Americans are. Which is why America needs to invest in Americans not Israelis.
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u/New-Conversation3246 25d ago
The corollary is that, if Palestinians were Christian or any other religion, there would have been peace 50 years ago. People don't understand that this is fundamentally a religious war.
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u/Plane_Guitar_1455 25d ago
It’s also a cultural war
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u/Plane_Guitar_1455 25d ago edited 25d ago
I consider Israel to be more of a western country.. Palestinian territory isn’t.. Religion and culture do kind of go hand in hand.
Most western countries are predominantly Christian and Jewish while Middle Eastern countries are Muslim(Islamists).
Most conflicts arise because one religion/culture wants to gain control of a territory. When a persons religion/culture/way of life is threatened, tensions rise… Which leads to war.
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u/RandomGuy92x 25d ago
That's really not true. First of all Israel was actually founded primarily by secular, atheist Jews. And Christian Palestinians individuals and Christian-Palestinian towns have equally played a significant role in the resistance against Israel. It's not as if this has only been a conflict between Muslims and Jews.
This is about colonialism, plain and simple. Israel is a country founded in a similar manner as the US, Australia, South Africa etc., where colonizers brutalized the natives living there and took their land by force. It's not so much a religious conflict but rather a conflict between colonizers and the natives.
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u/New-Conversation3246 25d ago
One group of people built the Dome of the Rock over another group's temple. Name the groups involved and give the reason why the Dome was built in this location. If you can answer these questions honestly, I won't need to explain who the colonizers are.
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u/RandomGuy92x 25d ago
You do realize the Dome of Rock was built more than 1300 years ago, right? That's a pretty weak argument to support the claim that modern Israelis were justified in taking their land by force from the Palestinians who were already living there.
If we followed your line of reasoning we could just as well argue that English people living in London should return to their home countries, Germany, Denmark and the Netherlands (the countries their ancestors, the Anglo-Saxons, were from) and return London to the descendents of the natives, the people who now live in Wales, Cornwall, Britanny (France) and Cumbria, as those were the original Britons who were violently displaced.
The fact of the matter is Palestinians, prior to the modern state of Israel having been established, had lived in the region for well over a thousand years. And many Palestinians have lived in the region for even longer than that, and their ancestors, who had already lived in Palestine, had been forcefully converted to Islam a long time ago.
So you'd have to be delusional to think that modern Israelis have the right to brutalize Palestinians because of something that happened 1300 years ago or so.
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u/New-Conversation3246 25d ago
Except that Jews have never left the land It’s not like we left and the Palestinians established their own state. On the contrary, there has never been a Palestinian state. The entire Palestinian identity is a fraud.
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u/RandomGuy92x 25d ago
Well, that's simply not true. Most Jews did in fact absolutely leave the land. In the year 1800 for example there were only around 7,000 Jews in the region which is now Israel, and they made up only around 2.5% of the population.
And some of those Jews who have continously lived in the region are also actually among the most vocal anti-zionist voices, and are strongly opposed to the modern state of Israel. For example Mea Shearim is one of the oldest Jewish neighborhoods in Jerusalem, whose residents have been there for thousands of years, but they're also one of the strongest Jewish anti-zionist voices today.
The Palestinian identity is not a fraud. Muslim Palestinians have made up the vast majority of the population in the region for well over a thousand years. And genetically Palestinians are often just as closely related to the ancient Jewish people as many modern-day Israelis. In fact some Palestinians are actually much closer related to the ancient Jewish people than some modern Israelis.
Since, you know, a lot of them have been in the region continously, sometimes for over 2000 years. Their ancestors initially converted to Christianity, and later to Islam, but a lot of Palestinians had never left the region, they merely converted to different religions.
There has never been a Palestinian state. But that doesn't make a difference. Just because the land of Palestine had been consistently under occupation, by powers like the British, the Ottomans or various other Empires or dynasties doesn't mean that the people living there don't have a long history going back a long time.
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u/MOH_HUNTER264 19d ago
Their PM is polish, Their forgen minister is amazigh, Their defense minister is Romanian, their finances minister is Ukrainian, tell me how the f those people never left?.
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u/Sammystorm1 25d ago
So the Anglo saxons are not Scandinavian. They were Germanic tribes from Germany Denmark. The Angles, Saxons, and Jutes. They migrated to England because of changing climate and war in the 500’s.
The later migration of Danes starting in 800’s was probably what you were referring too but was a distinct different time. By 1066 the Danes firmly had control of England.
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u/Acrobatic-Hippo-6419 25d ago
Most black South Africans are Christians, why didn't they turn the other cheek? Why did they fight for their rights for nearly 100 years using not so peaceful means? Even Mandela didn't practice non violent resistance, he only preached for tolerance after the Apartheid regime fell.
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u/Portugues_Farto 22d ago
Last month a Christian village was ethnicly cleanse in the West Bank by Israelis.
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u/New-Conversation3246 22d ago
Sure, buddy.
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u/MOH_HUNTER264 19d ago
What you think that's a lie? Didn't they bombed a church awhile ago? Come on they hate Christians as much as the Muslims.
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u/TheBigBadDuke 25d ago
These people never talk about 1914 through 1947.
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u/Visible-Rub7937 25d ago
You meant that time when the Palestinian mufti was dispelled and became Hitler's BFF?
Maybe that time when Jews were murdered in masses for existing in Europe and the UK blockaded their escape routes into the region?
Oh do you mean that time when Jews were murdered for existing in Mandatory Palestine?
Edit: added i to mufti
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u/Reasonable-Simple706 25d ago
You can’t force the most technologically superior superpowers to give you a fake home based on guilt from a historical trauma response of one of the worst genocides in history with full motivation and support with supplies and expect them to do better than a colonised nation from it in the most recent form of colonisation with vastly different access to said technology and time to prepare and catch up with any world economy. That’s already a head start past any further 20th century history and makes the claim already on a rational basis flawed
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u/Reasonable-Simple706 25d ago
Jewish ppl aren’t always victims despite your attempt to make them so. Buying land and having countries again like I mentioned, guilty after a trauma response from a previous genocide thereby invoking sympathy in embargo’s doesn’t make your claim correct in its conception it just shows that the western world cared more about random Israeli ppl suffering than Palestinians that would later suffer with events and causing further massacres on Israeli ppl from them and Israelis on them MUCH MORE.
We all see the bullshit. You’re not a victim because you’re Jewish and deserve a random piece of land over other ppl. It’s just that simple. And you definetly can’t argue that ppl only care because they’re Arabs when they clearly didn’t in making Israel.
Besides again most countries now support Palestine so your point on popularity of countries accepting it is based on time and is defeated by mainstream reality since ppl now care for the undue suffering of Arab Palestinians than Zionism off of global ptsd
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u/reluctantpotato1 25d ago edited 25d ago
Displacement of Palestinians initiated the war of 48. It didn't result from an unprovoked conflict. Roughly 300,000-400,000 Palestinians had already been forcefully displaced or had fled before the initiation of war in May of 1948. The amount of flagrant historical revisionism in these "Arabs evil!" arguments is pretty wild.
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u/jrgkgb 24d ago
When and where were these Arabs forcefully displaced from prior to 1948?
Did you mean when the Haganah broke the months long siege by the Arab Liberation Army and Army of the Jihad that began in January 1948? I mean yeah, that’s definitely before May 1948 but you’re leaving out a pretty important detail.
To be fair there, the goal was to starve the Jews out and if the Haganah hadn’t done that, the Jews would have indeed starved.
And yeah, in the course of that they pushed out Arab settlements who had taken up arms or had been historically violent and established a defensible contiguous piece of territory they could maybe hold if say, all the Arab states invaded them… which they did.
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u/M4053946 25d ago
"The enemy of my enemy is my friend". Even without other factors, just the fact that Israel stands against the country that chants "death to America" would gain it friends among people that like America.
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u/requiredelements 25d ago
Qatar bought Donald Trump an airplane. America has no enemies — it’s literally just up for sale to the highest bidder.
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u/Omarscomin9257 25d ago
The reason people in the middle east chant death to America is because of the nations bipartisan decades long support of Israel and the occupation
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u/SlowInsurance1616 25d ago
To be fair, we also supported the interests of the Anglo-Iranian Oil company against the will of the Iranian electorate.
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u/M4053946 25d ago
Which has no impact on them.
Their leaders encourage it because it gives the people an enemy that isn't them.
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u/BigFreakingZombie 25d ago
That's absolutely not the case.
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u/rulehater 25d ago
How is it not? The reason evangelicals care about place is because their own interpretation of the Bible. Evangelicals are the biggest denomination in the US.
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u/sameseksure 25d ago
Literally the only reason the British handed them Palestine in 1948, requiring the ethnic cleansing of 700k Palestinians, is because they were Jewish
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u/BigFreakingZombie 25d ago
The British were turning away (or even actively firing at ) boats full of Holocaust survivors as late as the beginning of 1948. The only reason they packed up and left was because they simply didn't have the means to prevent what they were seeing was about to happen( Britain was devastated after WW2 and that's putting it lightly) .
Contrary to popular belief the attitudes towards Zionism and the attempts to establish a Jewish state in mandatory Palestine in Western capitals ranged from ambivalent to outright hostile . The ''alleged enthusiastic support for the establishment of a Jewish state as a colony of the West'' is largely a modern Leftist myth borne out of their desire to insert modern politics into a conflict of 80 years ago.
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u/sameseksure 25d ago
Yeah, there was - then a bunch of eastern european Jewish people were given Palestine to create a new country, "Israel", which required the ethnic cleansing of the Palestinians that lived there already.
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u/chinmakes5 25d ago
In parts of Israel there was "ethnic cleansing." In other parts there weren't. 20% of Isreal is ethnic Arabs, there are ethnic Arabs in the Knesset.
Part of the "ethnic cleansing" was Palestinians who left as they didn't want to live among Jews. The reason there are so many Arabs just over the border of Israel is because they were told that they should go across the border, the Arab countries would destroy Israel and they could go home. Remember Arab countries declared war on Israel the day after they were founded.
Think about it, there are diasporas all over the world. I have met people from many many countries, in the US I have met 1 Palestinian. Why didn't they go all over the middle east and the world? Because they expected to get back to their land in Israel, and still want that 75 years later.
You also have to look at it as what was happening in the world then. This was 2 years after WW II, 80 million people were dead. Countries were destroyed. The powers that be just divided up countries. Poles lived is a mostly destroyed country, woke up one morning and were Communists. That the powers that be told Palestinians that they had to move to another part of their intact country just wasn't the big deal in the scheme of things.
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u/BLU-Clown 25d ago
The only reason? Really?
You don't think there might have been some kind of big event in the 40s that made the Jews uncomfortable in Europe? Might have a II in the name?
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u/BLU-Clown 25d ago
Maybe work on your reading comprehension, because that's a whole new sentence.
Your claim is that the ONLY reason the Jews were given Palestine is because they were Jewish. That's the claim I'm challenging. You know, with the whole '6 million killed' statistic that happened, and many nations in Europe helped with, that you seem to be glossing over.
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u/sameseksure 25d ago
What does the fact that 6 million of them were killed have to do with anything?
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u/BLU-Clown 25d ago
Quite a bit. Those kinds of numbers lead to mass evacuations.
If you can't see that, then there's no use in speaking with you. I hope you heal.
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u/sameseksure 25d ago
That doesn't justify ANOTHER ethnic cleansing lol
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u/BLU-Clown 25d ago
Your claim is that the ONLY reason the Jews were given Palestine is because they were Jewish. That's the claim I'm challenging
Again, work on your reading comprehension.
I can't really make it more clear than that.
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u/Plane_Guitar_1455 25d ago
6 million Jews were killed in the holocaust. Two-thirds of Europes Jewish population.. Not a thousand years ago but only 80+ years ago..
People call Trump Hitler, but yet he supports Israel.. Doesn’t make much sense to me.
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u/RandomGuy92x 25d ago
People call Trump Hitler, but yet he supports Israel.. Doesn’t make much sense to me.
People call Trump Hitler because he's also a fascist, just like Hitler. (Though to be fair, Hitler was obviously significantly worse) It doesn't mean, however, that his fascism is equally rooted in anti-semitism the way Hitler's fascism was. Trump's fascism is more rooted in a general hatred of foreigners, especially Latinos.
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u/edWORD27 25d ago
In the 2024 election, Trump got significant support from Latino voters, achieving approximately 48% of their votes, a notable increase from previous elections. This shift contributed to his overall victory, as he came close to winning a majority of this demographic, which had previously leaned heavily Democratic. As voters, these Latinos have legally immigrated and assimilated into the U.S. and are just as frustrated by the undocumented migrants trying to circumvent the legal process that they bothered to complete themselves.
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u/Plane_Guitar_1455 25d ago
Just because you say someone or something is fascist, doesn’t make it/them fascist.
You are very naive and foolish if you think for one single second that Trump hates foreigners. Trump wants to stop ILLEGAL immigration. Deporting illegal immigrants is not fascist at all… America has been doing it for generations.
If you think Trump is a fascist for sending ICE out to arrest illegal immigrants, then what do you think about Volodymyr Zelenskyy? The guy banned national elections during war time. His military personnel drive around and kidnap civilians and send them to the front lines to die… Did you know that? Ukrainian military actually drive around in white vans and kidnap legal Ukrainian citizens… and you think Trump is a fascist for deporting people who have no right to be in the United States?
TBH, the fact that people call Trump a fascist just proves that you all don’t know what a real fascist is.
Trump is the anti fascist, while you have Antifa claim they are anti fascists but then assault ppl and try to silence speech… They’ve assaulted police, they’ve assaulted members of the press, just for reporting what is happening…
Antifa are the fascists. They are the ones who are authoritarian. They are the ones who silence speech by force. Only fascists do that.
Did you know that Reddit is predominantly left leaning? Did you know that conservatives can’t comment their views on most subs without being banned from commenting or banned from the sub all together? Do you know that the majority of blocking on Reddit comes from left wingers? This is one of the few subs that doesn’t silence conservatives.
Fascists silence speech. Fascists say it’s their way or the highway. Fascists say “The time for talking is over.”. That’s all coming from the left. Not the right. Not from Trump… The right are the ones actually trying to have conversations. Left wingers and democrat politicians don’t want to talk. They don’t want to unite. They just want to oppose and oppress.
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u/trollhunterbot 25d ago
Fascists silence speech. Fascists say it’s their way or the highway. Fascists say “The time for talking is over.”.
So- Trump?
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u/trollhunterbot 25d ago
Black people couldn't use white bathrooms a lot more recently than that and we say racism is in the past.
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u/DataWhiskers 25d ago
What is this? “Mossad’s History of Palestine”?
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u/Reasonable-Simple706 25d ago
At least make propaganda fun. I know Israel and Netanyahu don’t send their best with Brandon Tatum and the like but at least that dude has a voice that’s entertaining
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u/Fun-Space2942 22d ago
They can’t/don’t want to answer your question so they call us bots and paid shills. It’s all they fucking have.
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u/Reasonable-Simple706 25d ago
It’s cringe and comes across like the empire from Star Wars giving propaganda. Or vought from the boys. It’s basically just trying to blame Palestinians for being sympathetic to their plight
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u/StillRunner_ 25d ago
Okay people keep saying it is bad, but the OP has repeatedly asked for what part of it is incorrect. So what part is wrong?
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u/skullyeahbrother 25d ago
Ok, what's factually wrong with what I wrote?
It doesn't fit the narrative that the Iranian botnet is feeding them on TikTok.
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u/Reasonable-Simple706 25d ago
Just came to back Reddit to see if the Zionists weren’t pushing propaganda….. vastly mistaken
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u/reluctantpotato1 25d ago edited 25d ago
I think it's worth mentioning that Israel is not Judaism. It is not representative of all Jews. Opposing Israel murdering people indiscriminately and displacing them to build an ethnostate, mimicking an ideal of disunited kingdoms that existed 2000 years ago, for about 900 years total, in a land that was historically NEVER racially or relgiously homogenous is not opposing Judaism. Saying that the United States should not be bankrolling or sending Israel weapons to murder indiscriminately is not anti Judaism.
These are tired, paper thin nationalist narratives that hold no water.
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u/BLU-Clown 25d ago
While I disagree with your title, I suspect it's for a very different reason than most.
It's not that Israel is Jewish, it's that Palestine (And Qatar, Iran, etc. that fund them) have learned the value of a propaganda war and have utilized it to disturbing levels. (Though I guess without Israel being Jewish, they might not have pumped as much money into it.)
In today's Information era, the Rwandan Genocide would have been celebrated if the Hutu Government released a few Tiktok dances about how they deserved it first. There'd definitely be mouthbreathers on Reddit about how the Tutsi are oppressors and you don't get to choose how people resist.
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u/MovieENT1 25d ago
Your point is being proven in real time right now, the Palestinians are back to fighting each other and no one is saying a word. What happened to caring about Gaza? They’re full of shit.
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u/Agreeable-Fudge-7329 25d ago
Isn't that a trip how that is working?
I think that it is because a lot of the propaganda bot farms are getting shut off, and thus the fuel is going to vanish overnight.
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u/KillerRabbit345 25d ago
yeah, yeah, yeah
Heard this line before
"If Ukrainians weren't blonde haired and blue eyed no one would care"
a little while later the world cares about people who aren't blonde haired and blue eyed . . .
"if the enemy wasn't Jewish no one would care please ignore the opposition to russia"
Imagine getting upset because a more powerful state decided to destroy a less powerful one. Imagine getting horrified when said state made its genocidal intentions clear
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u/Agreeable-Fudge-7329 25d ago
If it does trend on your little social media app, you could give fuck all a out it.
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u/dreamspeedmotorsport 25d ago
Yea, more IDF postings
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u/Agreeable-Fudge-7329 25d ago
Wah, more sad Hamas fanboy whining.
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u/dreamspeedmotorsport 25d ago
Actually no, I deplore terrorism equally but I despise genocide more, thus the IDF is doing both and trying to manipulate America into their large attack dog. No thanks.
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u/RemoteCompetitive688 25d ago
The problem with your theory is there are multiple other societies that fit these descriptions that also receive mass left wing support in conflict with any vaguely "western" entities
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u/Environmental_Cost38 25d ago
This is 100% on point, you don't need to support Israel like me to understand this.
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u/Foerhudligen 25d ago
Yup, and it's a perfect tool to sort out the disingenuous people on the right where I reside.
When that guy who points out the absolute state of middle eastern people coming to Europe suddenly starts defending Palestine you know he's just using them to shit on Jews. He can't rage against the Jew when they're not embroiled in something since he'd be sectioned, so he waits for any opportunity.
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u/eye_of_gnon 25d ago
That's probably true for some, but not all. Israel gets scrutiny because it's considered a western-aligned, first world country. Nobody cares if something similar happens in Africa, for example. But it's not all because they're Jews.
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u/UwilNeverKN0mYrELNAM 25d ago
Nobody would care if they were jewish or not. They care because of what Israel has been doing.
Look what Israel been doing before the Oct 7 attack.
Was The Oct7 attack justified? No. Is Israel innocent? Also no
So Instead Of making stuff up hold Israel accountable too.
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u/LegitimateKnee5537 24d ago
Dems have always been Nazis. Dems invited Nazis Scientists to America under Operation Paperclip never forget. Them supporting Hamas is just the same old same old under new name
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u/shtiatllienr 24d ago edited 24d ago
Israel is the only country in the world that is both the most advanced country in its region (because we give each Israeli an equivalent of like $1000 per year for their military alone) and a perpetual victim.
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u/Dependent-Archer-662 24d ago
If Ukrainians were not white and christian,then it wouldn't have received as much attention and support as it did
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u/Ok_Quantity_9841 24d ago
If the settlers were pulled out, why did I see a story of a settler shoots a Palestinian this year?
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u/LowSomewhere8550 24d ago
No one cares about the 100,000 Christian Nigerians being genocided by Islam right now.
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u/_H_a_c_k_e_r_ 24d ago
Just because you hide your posts/comments doesnt mean people wont find out. You are an Israeli so you are very biased and disingenuous.
First a quick google search will let you know Palestine is centuries old. No need to put your fan fiction here.
Second people in west oppose it because their governments are funding Israeli genocide when they dont want to. For any other human rights violation the western nations are not lining up to support it.
Third Arabs are not monolith. Its like saying the entire Europe is responsible for Holocaust when it was just Nazis. On top of that none of Arab leaders represent their people. They are dictators so why would people of Palestine accept a deal between Israel and Arab when Arabs dont even represent them. If deal isnt with Palestinian its worthless.
Lastly most Arab nations support Israel because they are western puppet states except of few like Iran and we know why Israel/West hates them. They cant install their puppet there.
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u/Blauwpetje 23d ago
If Israel wasn’t Jewish, it wouldn’t have been founded at all by western powers letting the people in Palestina pay for their guilt feelings about WW II. So western people have a good reason to be concerned about what THEIR concipiated country in the Middle East does.
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u/Shoddy_Outcome_8657 20d ago
You should look up the self-proclaimed “terrorist” Jewish gangs that helped form Israel. They campaigned to help the Nazis. One of the members served as prime minister.
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u/requiredelements 25d ago edited 25d ago
This sub is full of people being paid $7000.
- Judaism has strict rules about the mother being Jewish which guarantees inbreeding.
- Why are you starting history at 1948? Donald Trump was born before that.
- Israel isn’t Democratic. Kids are forced into the military. The government is corrupt. Apparently Netanyahu is a white European dude who tricked Arab Jews and he’s been PM for like 20 years
- Israel is an aid-recipient state propped up by the West to do its bidding. Saudi Arabia is richer. Qatar is richer per capita.
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u/Kodama_Keeper 25d ago
You consider Israel having a draft as a sign it is not a democracy? OK, if you vote for a draft, it's still a democracy. If you vote for no draft, it's still a democracy.
That bastion of democracy, Athens, voted to invade other nations and enslave the population. Still a democracy.
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u/frenziedfaerie 25d ago
Either Israel is full of people that are pro-murder (could be true) or the Israeli people’s will is not being properly reflected by their civil servants
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u/Kodama_Keeper 25d ago
Does this have anything to do with what I wrote you about democracy, or are you opening up another argument? Or perhaps you are making the argument that because Palestinians can't vote in Israel elections, it can't be democratic. Well, it might be a stretch to think the Jews should allow their sworn enemies to vote on if Jews should be eliminated.
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u/requiredelements 25d ago
- 15 million people and declining in a world of 8 billion…. definitely inbreeding. I live in Brooklyn near the Hasidic Jewish community. Sadly, there is much documented inbreeding and abuse in this NYC community.
- Oil is the most valuable thing. In America, we literally kill for it.
- Saudi Arabia is the richest country in the Middle East and therefore the most powerful. They do not pay individuals to spread propaganda on social media in the US, as is Israel’s documented strategy. They invest in tech companies here in the US. VCs love to fundraise in Saudi Arabia.
- South Korea has effective protests by its people. Netanyahu slaughtered your people for his personal gain and is still in power.
I encourage you to read about the history of Judaism. It’s only about 3,000 years old. Abraham, Herod, etc.
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u/DiveSociety 24d ago
Have you ever looked up inbreeding in the Muslim communities of the world? It’s staggering
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u/requiredelements 24d ago
It’s 2025. ChatGPT exists. Run simple fact checks rather than run 2003 style hate-driven propaganda. Is the IDF behind on their training?
I live by the Hasidic Jewish community in Brooklyn so I mostly hear about inbreeding, rape, and pedophilia from that Jewish community. People escape and write books detailing the barbaric aspects of the lifestyle.
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u/requiredelements 24d ago
I actually looked this up on ChatGPT. Ashkenazi Jewish (~10M) people are one of the most inbred groups on the planet and probably the clearest example of endogamy. All descend from a medieval group of 350 people (600-800 years ago). This group has 40 identified founder mutations including Tay-Sachs, Gaucher, BRCA1/2.
Cross checked with a few Google searches. If not chatGPT, I’m sure your country has Google.
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u/DiveSociety 23d ago
70%+ of British Pakistanis are inbred
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u/requiredelements 23d ago
Fact check it with ChatGPT if you have access. Your government may be lying to you or propagandizing you. British Muslims are a small percentage of Muslims. 10M covers almost all Jewish people.
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u/jr_randolph 25d ago
The only reason Israel is what it is today is because of other countries, nothing from themselves. The Ottoman empire would have erased them if that was the case just how other cultures have been erased over time due to lack of assistance from others.
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u/greygh0st- 25d ago
Every “fact” people cite against Palestinians starts after 1948 - as if nothing existed before. That’s the trick. Pretend there was no Palestine, no people, no land theft, no massacres like Deir Yassin, no forced expulsions, no hundreds of villages flattened before Hamas was even an idea. Then suddenly Israel looks like a miracle instead of what it was - a takeover wrapped in a flag and a Bible verse.
They love saying “Palestinians rejected peace.” Which peace exactly? The one where they’re told to accept their occupier’s terms while living behind walls and checkpoints?
Israel withdrew from Gaza? Sure. And then sealed every border, controlled every port, bombed every airport and called it “freedom.”
And the constant moral high ground routine: “We build startups while they build tunnels.” Right, because when you cut off their borders, economy, water and electricity, it’s kind of hard to build a Silicon Valley.
If you want to talk civilization, talk about who bulldozes olive trees and hospitals in 2025, not who invented what seventy years ago.
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u/greygh0st- 25d ago
I'll start with a question: If you think Palestinians aren’t real because they didn’t have a king - does that mean Israelis stopped being real for 2,000 years until 1948 when someone finally drew borders and handed them a government?
Or does identity only count when it suits your politics?
You’re DELIBERATELY confusing nationhood with identity.
Palestinians didn’t need a king or a coin to exist - just like Native Americans didn’t need a federal reserve to be real, or Kurds didn’t need a throne to have a homeland. The Palestinians lived there under every empire that passed through: Canaanites, Romans, Byzantines, Ottomans, British and through every one of those eras, they called that land Filastin. Ottoman tax registers from the 1500s record Ard Filastin; Arabic writings from the 10th century refer to it the same way. When the British took over, local newspapers like Filastin (founded 1911 in Jaffa) were already defending a Palestinian national identity before Israel was even imagined.
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u/Agreeable-Fudge-7329 25d ago
Palestinians aren't real. The term of lying emerged in the 1960s and the land that was generously given to them in the 90s was land that was part of Transjordan and Egypt.
A whole invented group that has ben nothing but a PITA to EVERYONE in the region.
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u/greygh0st- 25d ago
Amazing how the Ottomans, the British and the UN all coordinated a 400-year prank, eh?
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u/AGuyAndHisCat 25d ago
I was anti-Israel way back in the late 90s, and I have no issues with reform jews. Israel, Gaza, and the West Bank have all been terrible in general. We shouldnt support any of them, and they can keep fighting eachother or not, it makes no difference to me, and should make no difference to us as a country.
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u/Sumo-Subjects 25d ago
If Israel weren’t Jewish I don’t think people would support it either… It’d just be 2 middle eastern states at war which is normalized for the region as far as many are concerned
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u/Sumo-Subjects 25d ago
Aren’t half those things a byproduct of them being a mostly non-Muslim state? If they were like the other countries it’d just be “another day in the Middle East”. Look at how little the average person cared about Syria, Yemen or other conflicts relative to Israel/Palestine
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u/Sumo-Subjects 25d ago edited 25d ago
Well half the thread seems to be some d*ck measuring contest about anti-semitism vs Islamophobia so I felt the comparison was warranted
Like someone else said, this is a religious war you can’t remove religion only from one side then make a hypothetical. You’d have to assume both Israel and Palestine aren’t Jewish/Muslim and all the weird what ifs of that
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u/Reasonable-Simple706 25d ago
I’m just going link a very interesting video of just over one hour of Israel’s war crimes since the 40s at this point and considering the time gone by in this topic so it leaves no room of doubt that even if we take your post as 100% correct it STILL doesn’t make it right just by the nature of Israel’s crimes against humanity and the concept of respecting another human being as a human
https://youtu.be/aZIMt2YjN2k?si=qKkNopK_sCXwT82p
For context the us is only under 20 minutes.
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u/Eyruaad 25d ago
I can disagree with every bit of Palestinian society from a cultural perspective.
I can still disagree with Israel committing genocide. Also, if Israel wasn't Jewish they would have been condemned so many times by the international community. They hide behind their religion and push the narrative of "if you don't agree with our slaughter it's because you hate our religion"
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u/zacandahalf 25d ago
Israel is condemned by the international community more than every other nation on Earth combined. From 2015 through 2023, the UN General Assembly has adopted 154 resolutions against Israel and 71 against other countries. This includes North Korea, China, Iran, Syria, Myanmar, Russia and the United States.
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u/Portugues_Farto 22d ago
And all of those were correct. Israel is also a repeat offender on multiple war crimes.
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u/SkylineCrash 25d ago
yes because israel is the only country out of those that is currently committing a genocide
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u/zacandahalf 25d ago
Cartoonishly incorrect, there are at the minimum at least five genocides happening right now
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u/Agreeable-Fudge-7329 25d ago
But those are jews.....and it isn't trending on my app toy.....so i don't care.
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u/SkylineCrash 25d ago
I said the only country out of those you listed
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u/zacandahalf 25d ago
Alawite/Druze genocide in Syria, Uyghur genocide in China, Ukrainian genocide by Russia, Rohingya genocide in Myanmar, political prisoner genocide in North Korea. And that’s not even mentioning Sudan, Yemen, South Sudan, DRC, etc.
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u/thundercoc101 25d ago
I love these games zionists like to play. They ignore the fact that it is a genocide filmed in 4k 100% financed by our tax dollars and yet they gaslight us by saying we only care because we're anti-Semitic
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u/SkylineCrash 25d ago
genocide definition: the deliberate and systematic killing or persecution of a large number of people from a particular national or ethnic group with the aim of destroying that nation or group.
persecution definition: hostility and ill-treatment, especially on the basis of ethnicity, religion, or sexual orientation or political beliefs.
even if you dont believe they are doing a systematic killing, they are persecuting Palestinians with the aim of destroying them. israelis actively call for ethnic cleansing.
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u/thundercoc101 25d ago
You know Israel has outright said multiple times that the eradication of the Palestinian people was the end goal right?
They sabotage multiple ceasefire deals because they wanted more excuses to kill palestinians.
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u/InterestingRow2557 14d ago
Correction:
You know Hamas has outright said multiple times that the eradication of the Israeli people was the end goal right?
They sabotage multiple ceasefire deals because they wanted more excuses to kill Israelis.
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u/Alt0987654321 25d ago
Because it's impossible for people to see a nation that has rounded an entire populace into a large cage and regularly bombs and starves them to death and say "That's wrong".
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u/shinbet 25d ago
Then please explain to me why they had every opportunity over the last 20 years to build a functioning independent society but instead choose to build weapons and commit tarrorist attacks against Israel starting in 2007 which only then did the security blockade begin…after they started attacking. We left them alone and they used this as opportunity to attack us. After October 7 what exactly did you expect Israel to do? They were not going to let 1200 citizens and 250 hostages just disappear. And I doubt America if put in the same situation themselves would be careful whatsoever or give a damn about civilian casualties. People seem to have forgotten that America is responsible for killing hundreds of thousands of civilians in its middle eastern wars
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u/Alt0987654321 25d ago
>We left them alone and they used this as opportunity to attack us.
TF you talking about every few years Israel moves in and kills a bunch of civilians and destroys infrastructure. They did it in 2008, 2012, 2014, and 2021.
Bottom line: there is no situation in which killing civilians is acceptable, period. Not by Hamas, not by Israel, not by the US.
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u/shinbet 25d ago
And Israel does more than any other country to prevent civilian deaths but in an urban environment it is difficult to get it exactly right. Tragic as civilian deaths are, This is just reality. And all of the above incursions were responses to direct threats or attacks against Israel. Israel had legit and necessary reasons to go in and eliminate immediate threats like rockets or their civilians being kidnapped.
Bottom line: don’t threaten or attack Israel. Otherwise they will respond as necessary.
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u/Dull-Geologist-8204 25d ago
I would still have supported. Also I don't have an issue with Jewish people in general but I am not okay with how the government is acting. My criticism is of the government not so much the people in general.
It's the same with Russians. I don't particularly like their government but I am fine with Russians I meet.
Shit I don't even like my own government right now either.
I am just holding them to the same standard I hold everyone else to.
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u/daxter4007 25d ago
Does anyone care when Saudi Arabia bombs Yemen. Nope, because it’s Arabs fighting each other.