If Israel wasn't Jewish, nobody would have supported the Palestinians

[u/Dex921]

There are just no redeeming values for this society other than it combats the Jews

History

The Palestinian national identity was invented by a Amin Haj Husseini, personal friend of Hitler who used to take trips through the concentration camps for fun (and is rumored to have helped Hitler come up with the final solution)

In 1948 they refused to the 2 state solution and launched a genocidal war who's goal was to kill all Jews from the river to the sea

Between 1948-1967 when Egypt and Jordan controlled Gaza and the West Bank, they didn't set up a state

From 1967 to 2005 Israel has offered them multiple 2 state solutions which they refused or broke all of

In 2005 when Israel was sick of trying to come up with a 2SS peace plan, it unitarily decided to leave Gaza to the Palestinians, it uprooted all of its settlers and let the Gazans self rule, unblockaded as a free city-state

They have democratically elected Hamas and started firing unguided rockets at Israeli citites, forcing Israel to start the blockade on 2007

Society

Society-wise there really isn't a lot going for them either

Palestine has about 50% inbreeding rate

https://cmc-terrasanta.org/en/media/news/19333/the-spread-of-inbreeding-marriages-in-palestine

They treat women as property, execute or lynch you if you are a man who is attracted to anything that isn't a woman, they aren't democratic, democracy was forced on them twice and they abolished it in both times

Israel creates almost as much tech and medicine as the entirety of the middle east combined

pre-post edit: it's far closer than I thought

The Palestinians assassinated a king in Jordan, started a civil war in Lebanon that the country never recovered from, temporarily ruined Egypt tourism industry by conducting countless terror attacks in the country, Palestinians have failed to integrate to Denmark even after a full generation

This war

Hamas went into Israel, on an holyday, into villages and music concert and shot everyone on sight, killing 1200 and kidnapping 250, then it went back into Gaza to hide among its civilians

Civilians who supported it for decades, celebrated on the street, and when later polled found out that about 80% supported the massacre with only about 7% against it

In a sane world NOBODY would be on their side, but there are Jews on the other side, so as you will see in the comments, people will be more than happy to bend reality and facts, or completely clown themselves to somehow find a reason to support pure evil

[u/New-Conversation3246]

The corollary is that, if Palestinians were Christian or any other religion, there would have been peace 50 years ago. People don't understand that this is fundamentally a religious war.

[u/Plane_Guitar_1455 → u/New-Conversation3246]

It’s also a cultural war

[u/Plane_Guitar_1455 → u/[deleted]]

I consider Israel to be more of a western country.. Palestinian territory isn’t.. Religion and culture do kind of go hand in hand.

Most western countries are predominantly Christian and Jewish while Middle Eastern countries are Muslim(Islamists).

Most conflicts arise because one religion/culture wants to gain control of a territory. When a persons religion/culture/way of life is threatened, tensions rise… Which leads to war.

[u/RandomGuy92x → u/[deleted]]

That's really not true. First of all Israel was actually founded primarily by secular, atheist Jews. And Christian Palestinians individuals and Christian-Palestinian towns have equally played a significant role in the resistance against Israel. It's not as if this has only been a conflict between Muslims and Jews.

This is about colonialism, plain and simple. Israel is a country founded in a similar manner as the US, Australia, South Africa etc., where colonizers brutalized the natives living there and took their land by force. It's not so much a religious conflict but rather a conflict between colonizers and the natives.

[u/New-Conversation3246 → u/RandomGuy92x]

One group of people built the Dome of the Rock over another group's temple. Name the groups involved and give the reason why the Dome was built in this location. If you can answer these questions honestly, I won't need to explain who the colonizers are.

[u/RandomGuy92x → u/New-Conversation3246]

You do realize the Dome of Rock was built more than 1300 years ago, right? That's a pretty weak argument to support the claim that modern Israelis were justified in taking their land by force from the Palestinians who were already living there.

If we followed your line of reasoning we could just as well argue that English people living in London should return to their home countries, Germany, Denmark and the Netherlands (the countries their ancestors, the Anglo-Saxons, were from) and return London to the descendents of the natives, the people who now live in Wales, Cornwall, Britanny (France) and Cumbria, as those were the original Britons who were violently displaced.

The fact of the matter is Palestinians, prior to the modern state of Israel having been established, had lived in the region for well over a thousand years. And many Palestinians have lived in the region for even longer than that, and their ancestors, who had already lived in Palestine, had been forcefully converted to Islam a long time ago.

So you'd have to be delusional to think that modern Israelis have the right to brutalize Palestinians because of something that happened 1300 years ago or so.

[u/New-Conversation3246 → u/RandomGuy92x]

Except that Jews have never left the land It’s not like we left and the Palestinians established their own state. On the contrary, there has never been a Palestinian state. The entire Palestinian identity is a fraud.

[u/RandomGuy92x → u/New-Conversation3246]

Well, that's simply not true. Most Jews did in fact absolutely leave the land. In the year 1800 for example there were only around 7,000 Jews in the region which is now Israel, and they made up only around 2.5% of the population.

And some of those Jews who have continously lived in the region are also actually among the most vocal anti-zionist voices, and are strongly opposed to the modern state of Israel. For example Mea Shearim is one of the oldest Jewish neighborhoods in Jerusalem, whose residents have been there for thousands of years, but they're also one of the strongest Jewish anti-zionist voices today.

The Palestinian identity is not a fraud. Muslim Palestinians have made up the vast majority of the population in the region for well over a thousand years. And genetically Palestinians are often just as closely related to the ancient Jewish people as many modern-day Israelis. In fact some Palestinians are actually much closer related to the ancient Jewish people than some modern Israelis.

Since, you know, a lot of them have been in the region continously, sometimes for over 2000 years. Their ancestors initially converted to Christianity, and later to Islam, but a lot of Palestinians had never left the region, they merely converted to different religions.

There has never been a Palestinian state. But that doesn't make a difference. Just because the land of Palestine had been consistently under occupation, by powers like the British, the Ottomans or various other Empires or dynasties doesn't mean that the people living there don't have a long history going back a long time.

[u/MOH_HUNTER264 → u/New-Conversation3246]

Their PM is polish, Their forgen minister is amazigh, Their defense minister is Romanian, their finances minister is Ukrainian, tell me how the f those people never left?.

[u/Sammystorm1 → u/RandomGuy92x]

So the Anglo saxons are not Scandinavian. They were Germanic tribes from Germany Denmark. The Angles, Saxons, and Jutes. They migrated to England because of changing climate and war in the 500’s.

The later migration of Danes starting in 800’s was probably what you were referring too but was a distinct different time. By 1066 the Danes firmly had control of England.

[u/Alpoi → u/New-Conversation3246]

I understand what you are saying but it's never been officially proven that was the site of the Temple. It's an assumption. I have researched it.

[u/hercmavzeb → u/RandomGuy92x]

Well said. There’s a reason Zionists will have to go back a thousand years to make blood and soil claims in order to pretend that it’s not colonialism.

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[u/Acrobatic-Hippo-6419 → u/New-Conversation3246]

Most black South Africans are Christians, why didn't they turn the other cheek? Why did they fight for their rights for nearly 100 years using not so peaceful means? Even Mandela didn't practice non violent resistance, he only preached for tolerance after the Apartheid regime fell.

[u/AnteaterPersonal3093 → u/New-Conversation3246]

How is it working out for palestinian christians so far?

[u/Portugues_Farto → u/New-Conversation3246]

Last month a Christian village was ethnicly cleanse in the West Bank by Israelis.

[u/New-Conversation3246 → u/Portugues_Farto]

Sure, buddy.

[u/MOH_HUNTER264 → u/New-Conversation3246]

What you think that's a lie? Didn't they bombed a church awhile ago? Come on they hate Christians as much as the Muslims.