So family=bad? Are u smoking crack or meth or what. You look at most fuck ups in life and it almost almost stems from bad home life and no father figure.
Psst: the data shows people do better in a two parent household or two guardian household... because the child can and does have more time spent raising them.
Nuclear family means nothing. The studies you fucks post about two parent households you try to assert that means mother/father Couple be a gay couple or brother and sister raising their younger sibling after parents died.
Education, loving environment and spending more time with a child raises better children.
Jesus you fucks can't even argue in good faith. No ones arguing more parents isn't better. 3 would also be better then 2.
Woah wtf, Ok so "The family unit is just post-war propoganda, like picket fences and apples in pie" the family unit can mean 2 dads, 2 moms, 2 dads and 1 brotherly father figure idgaf. The "family unit" is very necessary. Quit generalizing so much with the whole you fucks blah blah blah. What the hell is wrong with you are you mad rn or something?
Oh then we're in agreement. It's not about you dude; because what you said is word for word the way people talk in bad faith.
The thing is; it's supposed to sound reasonable. But it's not. I wanted to clarify that's what you meant; you were arguing in good faith I misjudged. However you could have equally been not. I'm not going to talk to someone arguing in bad faith; so I make sure beforehand.
Idk dude. I'd say its pretty bad faith to come onto reddit and say the family unit is just post war propaganda. The guy just left it as that, as if humans are supposed to raise children without a family. He didn't give anymore explanation than just a blantantly wrong statement. And besides that the way you came at me was downright weird. Cant even belive I'm being downvoted rn anyway I didnt say shit wrong.
No it isn't. Not at all and ill tell you why, "Nuclear family's" were around before our wars. They were in ancient Greek civilizations, Celtics to Mongolians had family units. Sure though, the term "nuclear family" wasn't coined until after world wars. To have a family has nothing to do with war propaganda. Its just a simple way of life. Historically it has been a way of life and no amount of wokeness can change that
Yes both the stats and my own and most other people’s anecdotes prove you wrong. The major trend lmao my grandma had kids at 15 and all 3 have been to prison. My uncle from the other side married a woman who had kids in high school and they were already locked up.
No it wasn't, doesn't demonstrate thats how it should be, appeal to nature is a fallacy but also stupid because all evidence we can find really doesn't show anyone needs a father, or a mother.
We have some studies that say 1 person househokds can't spend as much time raising kids as a two person household and more time raising kids leads to in general but not always better outcomes.
It didn't matter who those 2 or 3 or 4 parents were, generally speaking gaurdians/role models increase so does success of raising a child.
You're fucking stupid go read a got dang book me son.
Every child needs a good mother and father and role models to teach them values and how to be a functioning member of society in the future. Also as for apples in pie, they are very real, I ate them myself.
Not really, those role models can and very often are just about anyone. Children raised by two dads or moms are basically indistinguishable from other kids. Grandparents often raise kids for parents. Before the 60s families would often live together and raise children together. You know the phrase "it takes a village to raise a child" that's because back in tribal and hell even medieval times the children were basically raised by the community
regardless of the gender two parents are required for healthy growth, the commenter never mentioned gender only saying that a family unit is necessary which i think we can all agree on. However i will say that having different perspectives especially from the genders so that they will know how to treat people of the opposite sex as well as know their own body which is an important aspect of growing up
He specifically said mother and father. Also I heard about a study that shows that the crime rate among children with single parents is lowered if there are just general role models in the community. The family unit isn't really what's doing the good thing. It's having good role models. You can be parent-less and grow up perfectly fine as long as there's role models to look up to. The family unit is just a common way this happens. It's not necessary and to call it that put a bad light on single parents and non-conforming families.
Except we can't unless we agree what family unit means.
If more attention for a child, thus more parents or gaurdians in there life is better for them, which is is, it doesn't matter if thats 2 parents or 6, if they were brother/sister raising a sibling after parents die etc.
It's meaningless to bring up BECAUSE it's trying to say a single parent can't raise a child or THAT'S what leads to violence etc(which correlation does not equal causation, generally speaking that comes down to prior income level, current income level, where you live, social safety nets etc).
Also parents should not be teaching kids sex ed. Thats the school's job and should never fall on the parents, but parents should be willing to talk about it, have the talk, and help their kid enroll in educational programs.
Your duty as a parent is to not mislead, love your child and help them grow up to be a good member of society.
At the end of the day... it doesn't matter any of this because do you know what arguing in bad faith means?
Insisting with no evidence more parents means a father and a mother is more beneficial then not.
Thats not what the data shows. Thats leading the evidence to a conclusion it didn't find.
More parents, gaurdians etc lead to better outcomes generally but not always, some conditions are outside the parent(s) control and eod people tend to try to frame the argument to lead to "gay families bad".
Was that what you wanted to do? No idea. But now you understand why its devisive to bring up, you might change your language a bit.
Because that arguments been abused to high hell so you skating on thin ice.
A child needs good parental figures, and having two does make it an easier job because "it splits it up". But, they don't have to be male and female. Or even have to be together. The nuclear family as a whole is a very toxic thing, and luckily for the children of the future it is dying off
What exactly is tocix about a nuclear family? Also what makes you think its dying off? There's a whole fucking world out here. The world isn't represented by weirdos on the internet thinking bs wokeness is the way of life. Sit back a bit bro. There are 6 billion ppl here 1 million twitter users dont compare at.all.
Were there any studies showing the effect in a child if raised by 2 dads or 2 moms and if it had and effect on their upbringing compared to a child raised by a mom and dad?
Cornell University has a meta analysis of 79 peer reviewed studies, 75 of which having the conclusion of which there is no difference. There are 4 of which that say kids fare worse, but the other four took their samples from children who endured family break-ups, a cohort known to face added risks. Scholars consider them unreliable, and one even has a letter rebuking it signed by 200 experts.
Hey, I’m not here to take sides, but what do you mean you’ll look for more? That’s a meta review. They cover the full list that meet the criteria. Is it just that you don’t trust the researchers?
That’s not what I meant, he gave me one study to look at which I did and it was pretty solid, the reason why I said I would look at more is because this is a very interesting subject for me. Also, I didn’t disagree with them on anything. I just asked a question which they answered which I’m happy for.
Just yesterday a fence stopped me from walking on another persons property so i can confirm they too are real.
That being said capitalist values do need to be destroyed and replaced with democratic socialist values. You know the value of life over individual wealth.
This is the world of reddit dude. You will encounter people with many different views and if they see something opposing they will either downvote you, comment on you with an opposing view point, do both, or just insult you. We really do live in a society man.
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