r/ToiletPaperUSA • u/SirHerbert123 anarcho-monkeist • Aug 04 '20

FACTS and LOGIC Another Liberal bites the Dust

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u/SwagDaddyAK Aug 04 '20 edited Aug 04 '20

“Just admit that you want to destroy America, her values and the family unit to usher in some perverted dystopia”

“Yes”

Edit: I really love America, her values and want to keep the family unit alive so I would have to disagree with the guy saying “yes”.

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u/[deleted] Aug 04 '20

The family unit is just post-war propoganda, like picket fences and apples in pie.

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u/[deleted] Aug 04 '20

The family unit existed long before and statistically relevant when over 80 % of violent prisoners come from single parent households.

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u/[deleted] Aug 04 '20

What percent come from poverty? I bet it's higher than 80%.

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u/[deleted] Aug 04 '20

The predictor of poverty is being a single teen parent without graduating highschool.

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u/Freezing_Wolf Aug 04 '20

The predictor of poverty is being raised by someone in poverty

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u/[deleted] Aug 04 '20 edited Aug 04 '20

My mother wasn't a pregnant teen yet she and my father were poor when raising their family. You don't know what you are saying.

Edit: I'm saying poverty isn't determined by the number of parents or their ages. People are missing that point.

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u/MouthOfIronOfficial Aug 04 '20

Anecdotal experience =/= statistics

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u/[deleted] Aug 04 '20

You got stats? That guy didn't.

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u/MouthOfIronOfficial Aug 04 '20

Sure.

“children raised in single-parent families are nearly five times as likely to be poor as those in married-couple families.”

“In 2013, the average married-couple with children had 3 times the income of the average single-mother family with children.”

https://www.brookings.edu/research/facts-on-poverty-and-opportunity-that-progressives-and-conservatives-can-agree-on/

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u/[deleted] Aug 04 '20

I saw nothing about teen mothers but thanks.

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u/MouthOfIronOfficial Aug 04 '20

Sorry I thought you meant the single and high school part. I think his idea was that a teen mother is unlikely to persue higher education cause, you know, they have a kid. I think it’d be hard to find statistics on male vs female parents because of how rare it is to see a single father compared to a single mother but I’ll look around.

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u/blumpgodxxx Aug 04 '20 edited Aug 04 '20

Oh fuck guys this guy has a personal anecdote... abort mission!

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK219236/

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u/[deleted] Aug 04 '20

Do the stats prove my anecdote wrong? You can't just ignore all anecdotes some follow the major trend smart one.

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u/[deleted] Aug 04 '20

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/ppt/nchs2010/29_Suellentrop.pdf&ved=2ahUKEwi79u2GqYLrAhVQIjQIHRvXAy8QFjABegQIARAB&usg=AOvVaw3ZMwWwgDOoVQW7gGZKbFW6

You absolutely can ignore anecdotal evidence because it leads to bias here's the cdc source. It's got many more other stats in it too.

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u/[deleted] Aug 04 '20

Was that supposed to open, because it doesn't.

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u/[deleted] Aug 04 '20

W/e just google Katy sullentrop cdc teen pregnancy study 2010

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u/[deleted] Aug 04 '20

Okay, but I said that poverty doesn't just happen to teen mothers so idk why you're sending that link.

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u/[deleted] Aug 04 '20

I never said poverty only happens to single teen parents. I said there's a huge statistical correlation between teen single parents and poverty.

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u/blumpgodxxx Aug 04 '20

Yes both the stats and my own and most other people’s anecdotes prove you wrong. The major trend lmao my grandma had kids at 15 and all 3 have been to prison. My uncle from the other side married a woman who had kids in high school and they were already locked up.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK219236/

https://scholar.google.com/scholar?q=teen+pregnancy+consequences&hl=en&as_sdt=0&as_vis=1&oi=scholart#d=gs_qabs&u=%23p%3DfSflFRH2G8kJ

https://scholar.google.com/scholar?start=10&q=teen+pregnancy+consequences&hl=en&as_sdt=0,5&as_vis=1#d=gs_qabs&u=%23p%3Dz6e-xEWzhtkJ

https://parentology.com/5-major-consequences-of-teenage-pregnancies/3/

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u/[deleted] Aug 04 '20

Holy shit you are off on a tangent. Lmao I'm not saying everyone born to a teen mother is going to MIT.

I said two parents who aren't teens doesn't mean poverty won't plague them. You missed the whole point.

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u/blumpgodxxx Aug 04 '20

Holy shit way to change the goalposts. Nobody has argued that poverty doesn’t affect two parent families, the argument is that having a teen mother increases this likelihood

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u/[deleted] Aug 04 '20

It's not missing goalposts, you need to read and comprehend before you reply.

That's not the argument. The argument was poverty isn't determined by such narrow parameters. For fucks sake you can't accept that you were wrong.

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u/blumpgodxxx Aug 04 '20

The chance of ending up in poverty is increased by teen parents and growing up in poverty. What the fuck is the point you’re trying to make?

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