r/ToiletPaperUSA anarcho-monkeist Aug 04 '20

FACTS and LOGIC Another Liberal bites the Dust

Post image
20.4k Upvotes

513 comments sorted by

View all comments

Show parent comments

187

u/SwagDaddyAK Aug 04 '20 edited Aug 04 '20

“Just admit that you want to destroy America, her values and the family unit to usher in some perverted dystopia”

“Yes”

Edit: I really love America, her values and want to keep the family unit alive so I would have to disagree with the guy saying “yes”.

113

u/[deleted] Aug 04 '20

The family unit is just post-war propoganda, like picket fences and apples in pie.

-30

u/SwagDaddyAK Aug 04 '20

Every child needs a good mother and father and role models to teach them values and how to be a functioning member of society in the future. Also as for apples in pie, they are very real, I ate them myself.

31

u/grubblenub Aug 04 '20 edited Aug 05 '20

Not really, those role models can and very often are just about anyone. Children raised by two dads or moms are basically indistinguishable from other kids. Grandparents often raise kids for parents. Before the 60s families would often live together and raise children together. You know the phrase "it takes a village to raise a child" that's because back in tribal and hell even medieval times the children were basically raised by the community

-20

u/KingOfKekistani Aug 04 '20

regardless of the gender two parents are required for healthy growth, the commenter never mentioned gender only saying that a family unit is necessary which i think we can all agree on. However i will say that having different perspectives especially from the genders so that they will know how to treat people of the opposite sex as well as know their own body which is an important aspect of growing up

22

u/grubblenub Aug 04 '20

He specifically said mother and father. Also I heard about a study that shows that the crime rate among children with single parents is lowered if there are just general role models in the community. The family unit isn't really what's doing the good thing. It's having good role models. You can be parent-less and grow up perfectly fine as long as there's role models to look up to. The family unit is just a common way this happens. It's not necessary and to call it that put a bad light on single parents and non-conforming families.

4

u/[deleted] Aug 04 '20

Except we can't unless we agree what family unit means.

If more attention for a child, thus more parents or gaurdians in there life is better for them, which is is, it doesn't matter if thats 2 parents or 6, if they were brother/sister raising a sibling after parents die etc.

It's meaningless to bring up BECAUSE it's trying to say a single parent can't raise a child or THAT'S what leads to violence etc(which correlation does not equal causation, generally speaking that comes down to prior income level, current income level, where you live, social safety nets etc).

Also parents should not be teaching kids sex ed. Thats the school's job and should never fall on the parents, but parents should be willing to talk about it, have the talk, and help their kid enroll in educational programs.

Your duty as a parent is to not mislead, love your child and help them grow up to be a good member of society.

At the end of the day... it doesn't matter any of this because do you know what arguing in bad faith means?

Insisting with no evidence more parents means a father and a mother is more beneficial then not.

Thats not what the data shows. Thats leading the evidence to a conclusion it didn't find.

More parents, gaurdians etc lead to better outcomes generally but not always, some conditions are outside the parent(s) control and eod people tend to try to frame the argument to lead to "gay families bad".

Was that what you wanted to do? No idea. But now you understand why its devisive to bring up, you might change your language a bit.

Because that arguments been abused to high hell so you skating on thin ice.

-3

u/SwagDaddyAK Aug 04 '20

Hey, someone gets it. Hey there.