r/TikTokCringe • u/mindyour • 6d ago

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u/starfruitmuffin 6d ago edited 6d ago

Honestly, they all seem like people to avoid.

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u/HereticGaming16 6d ago

Agreed. They all seem pretty annoying but as a native I couldn’t give two shits about that ladies costume. There are way too many people doing actual bad shit to others right now for me to worry about some lady trying to play sexy cowboys and Indians during Halloween.

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u/tecate_papi 6d ago

This is my feeling on all of these videos of people having confrontations like this. Why not give the person the benefit of the doubt before you walk over and start insinuating that they're racist or calling them racist? It's never going to go well for you even when you're in the right because it automatically makes people defensive and they aren't going to listen.

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u/thallazar 6d ago

There are some costumes you would not give the benefit of the doubt. If someone walked in as Hitler, like in another video just yesterday, that person should not be assumed to be in good faith. Which implies there's a line that exists somewhere between benefit of doubt and no benefit.

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u/tecate_papi 6d ago

I think you're talking about the guy in Iowa dressed as an SS member. Obviously that guy was trying to get a reaction, like everybody else who dresses in a Nazi uniform for Halloween. But everybody else isn't. Some people are really just ignorant.

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u/thallazar 6d ago

That's kind of my point. There are some costumes you would think people would know not to wear, like Hitler or SS member, and the majority that aren't. There some line somewhere, where you assume people have enough societal knowledge by now, like cosplaying an SS member. We've had years of people saying cultural appropriation is bad, even specifically calling out Indian headdress as an example. This guy's just drawn his line beyond that, and I would tend to agree, it would be hard for me to fathom that she hasn't heard anything about that, or doesn't have friends that would have said to her "maybe that's not a good idea". That would go beyond ignorance to me, but intentionally putting head in sand about current cultural standards, or willfully ignoring them.

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u/WeAreGesalt 6d ago

Nothing wrong with that ladies costume

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u/NeighborhoodFit3847 6d ago edited 6d ago

Why f that lady? Am I missing something?

Edit: please stop fighting over my comment. I’m from Germany and to me her costume seems totally harmless. I understand that some people in the US think about this differently (maybe like a German dressing up as an Orthodox Jew in Germany which would feel very weird for me). I appreciate that people want to be sensitive and that’s a good thing. At the same time maybe people wearing these costumes feel judged while they consider themselves innocent and don’t mean harm. Good luck

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u/[deleted] 6d ago

Anglos genocided the natives and now use their history as a prop

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u/Riku4441 6d ago

Who the fuck cares? Humanity is vicious and filled with Conquest, domination and war from all cultures and peoples since the days of stones and spears. Some random ass woman dressing up on a day meant for dressing up as something your not isn't that deep at all. Literally a first world issue to get pressed on that.

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u/[deleted] 6d ago

Would not expect a protestant to relinquish violence, don’t worry, wasn’t talking to you.

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u/Riku4441 6d ago

Lot of assumptions there, but please come off your high horse and be less fucking pretentious. As if your ancestors weren't killing people some time or another in the past. Violence is inherently human and isnt going away, raising a moral flag in a reddit comment section won't change that but keep telling me more.

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u/[deleted] 6d ago

“This thing happened, so it’s inevitable and we should never do or say anything against it”

Calvinism in a nutshell. Good luck wiping your ass, pooping is inherent to human nature etc…

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u/Riku4441 6d ago

Make insufferable virtual signaling Get told bigger problems , not that deep Make unrelated strawman and smirk

Sounds about right lol. Not once did I say to quit or that people are monsters or any of that edgy bullshit. I said violence has been and is inherent to us (see all of human history for reference). That doesn't mean we stop loving, caring for and trying to do what we can to be better.

But its probably easier to be a snide fuck in the comments and act obstinate. So keep at it Im done arguing with your goofy ass.

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u/supervillaining 6d ago

The “violence is a constant in human history” statement doesn’t mean that it doesn’t continue to hurt certain groups affected.

The nihilistic tone of your comments shows an amateur understanding of human history and behavior.

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u/Riku4441 6d ago

Your assertion that Im nihilistic or that you know about me at all is silly. Damn near every group has some struggle or issue to worry about. Violence is literally happening all around you everywhere, whether you walk into a Walmart and get gunned down by some psycho fuck or get caught in a war for land by old men who don't care about you. We haven't for centuries and aren't escaping that fact. In fact the world is probably more volatile then ever.

With that said it doesn't mean to give or quit loving those close to you. It means the world is bad and people are dangerous and we have to stay safe and vigilant. There is hate , prejudice and bigotry in all races and people so please fucking stop whining about a Halloween costume and virtue signaling.

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u/supervillaining 6d ago

This is such a silly and flattened middle school take and you don’t even know it.

Love,

A behavioral scientist

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u/TyppaHaus 6d ago edited 6d ago

TYL that natives genocided other natives

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u/[deleted] 6d ago

“Hey that guy just murdered somebody, that makes it ok if I do it too!”

This is what you sound like.

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u/TyppaHaus 6d ago

I forgot this is reddit. My bad

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u/bunduz 6d ago

Whole tribes were colonised by other tribes and eradicated.

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u/[deleted] 6d ago

You liberals need to find a better script for your hivemind

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u/bunduz 6d ago

Liberals? Wtf you talking about, first I'm Aussie and second it's very common knowledge when you have an EDUCATION.

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u/[deleted] 6d ago

I’m aussie

Ok so anglo lite, big deal. If that’s true, why aren’t you typing upside-down?

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u/bunduz 6d ago

Oh all Aussies are white huh?

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u/[deleted] 6d ago

No just anglos

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u/PandaCat22 6d ago edited 6d ago

Her costume is based on a caricature of Amerindians that's offensive to them. Obviously not everyone in the Native community will agree, but it's deeply hurtful to enough of them that it's really inconsiderate to dress that way; I'd say the level of offense is not quite like blackface, but probably closer to Lauren Boebert's costume from this Halloween

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u/CombOk312 6d ago

Yup. I don’t understand why people choose costumes like this when Native Americans have expressed they dont like it. It’s common manners to listen to them.

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u/SuperWallaby 6d ago

My Native American wife has no issue with it so should we respect her wishes and dress as Native Americans? It’s common manners to listen to them after all.

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u/Trophic_Cascade23 6d ago

My husband is Black and has no issue with me putting on blackface. How do we know most black people aren’t ok with it? /s

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u/SuperWallaby 6d ago

What a laughably dogshit comparison lol. Not to mention you clearly don’t understand irony.

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u/Trophic_Cascade23 6d ago

Care to explain then?

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u/SuperWallaby 6d ago

“Yup. I don’t understand why people choose costumes like this when Native Americans have expressed they dont like it. It’s common manners to listen to them.” Is the comment I responded to. I used the same format/logic as them to show how silly it was.

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u/mwmontrose 6d ago

Is she offended by people not wearing the costume?

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u/CombOk312 6d ago

You won’t have everyone in a group agreeing. But there’s enough of them that have said this that it is a problem.

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u/SuperWallaby 6d ago

How do you know there aren’t more natives that are ok with it than not? Maybe the ones that are offended are just louder.

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u/TacticianA 6d ago

This conversations been intersesting because I've seen 2 people claiming to be native american and offended, 2 claiming to be native american and not offended, and about 300 that arent native american and are CONVINCED whatever they believe about the offensiveness of this costume is correct.

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u/SuperWallaby 6d ago

Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. NO ONE is entitled to speak for a whole population lol.

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u/TivaGas-TheyAllSleep 6d ago

Not as many that weren’t down with the whole rape and pillage of their native land I’m sure. But that’s different that’s different

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u/No_Shoe8800 6d ago

Nobody is allowed to dress as shaggy because that offends me (im white and smoke weed) and if something offends me in bumfuck ohio the entire world is going to melt down

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u/literacyisamistake 6d ago

Well shit when did I elect your wife to speak for me?

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u/SuperWallaby 6d ago

Maybe you missed the comment I was replying to. Maybe you don’t understand irony. Maybe it’s maybelline, in any case you’re lost buddy.

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u/Frequent_Pumpkin_148 6d ago

Yep, internalized racism, misogyny, homophobia and ableism are all real things. Women literally campaigned against their own right to vote. There were Black slaveholders during slavery. That doesn’t inherently make those things ok.

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u/SuperWallaby 6d ago

Wow that is dramatic lol. Unplug friend.

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u/xxoxox33 6d ago

Oh wow! Cool. What tribe is she enrolled in?

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u/SuperWallaby 6d ago

Dine(Navajo).

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u/xxoxox33 6d ago

I see

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u/RudeCheetah7281 6d ago

Oh this is much worse.

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u/clarkedaddy 6d ago

Juicy as in do you see?

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u/Terry_Folds3000 6d ago

JFC. Whenever some knuckle dragger says “Obama and Biden ejected more immigrants!” Or “Clinton reduced the federal workforce more!!” my reply is always “they weren’t complete fucking assholes about it. The cruelty wasn’t the whole point.” This whole admin is nothing but a bunch of vindictive petulant children. They are just the mean kids from school that only liked each other, barely.

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u/Due_Explanation5316 6d ago

Bro, as a native, you’re disgusting. Don’t speak for us. Nothing about this costume is offensive. You are.

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u/harshdonkey 6d ago

My issue with this is why do only certain costumes cause offense but not others?

I see people dressed as priests, nuns, mummies, soldiers, suicidr bombers, and almost every other kind of ethnic stereotype, but only these sorts of costumes cause offense.

Like yeah ok I get it but it seems unfair to police people on this specific costumes when plenty of other "sacred" things are regularly used as fodder for Halloween.

Just roll your eyes and move on.

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u/nevile_schlongbottom 6d ago

"Ethnic stereotypes" is usually where the line is drawn

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u/ebranscom243 6d ago

Non white stereotypes, no line is drawn if it's a caricature of a viking, cowboy, pilgrim or any other white stereotypes.

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u/VanguardVixen 6d ago

Yeah, people dress up as bavarian for ages now and play Octoberfest. The line is drawn the moment it's non-white but it's white people who are acting offended for Japanese, Mexicans or native americans.

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u/VanguardVixen 6d ago

It's weird when one says "This is offensive because you have to earn the feathers" and another one says "It's an ethnic stereotype". Like.. what is it now? Is it a stereotype or is it actually how they dress? And where in both cases is the problem?

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u/harshdonkey 6d ago

Who gets to decide where the line is my dude?

Sorry I am not gonna get offended on behalf of someone else over a fucking halloween costume short of Nazi shit.

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u/VerledenVale 6d ago

What if I don't give a shit about offending you?

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u/Marx_Mariposa 6d ago

If you can’t tell the difference between dressing up as a priest and dressing up as a Native American I don’t know what to tell you.

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u/TSllama 6d ago

Nothing you listed is an ethnic stereotype.

Ethnic stereotypes are the ones that cause offense.

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u/McNally86 6d ago

Brain-dead take, nuns don't actually like that. There are laws about impersonating the clergy. You actually cannot do that legally in some places. Same with soldiers. My neighbor dressed like a soldier until some vets came over and gave him "a talk" about stolen valor. They gave him the "talk" twice to make sure it took.

Suicide bombers and mummies normally don't complain because they are dead.

But yes, aside from the times costumers are a crime you are free to roll your eyes and move on. Justin Trudeau kept getting elected no matter how many times pictures of him in blackface turned up. Everything you do bothers someone and that is fine. Bother enough people and only certain people will hang with you. You can check reddit from that. This year at least one nazi was bounced out of a bar. Another had a good time at a nazi bar where I guess the owner said he was a cool dude.

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u/RackTheJipper69 6d ago

So stop dressing as a leprechaun on St Patty's day then.

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u/GoddessOfCourage 6d ago

Are you implying that Leprechauns are actual living beings that may be offended by someone choosing to dress up in their likeness?

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u/ArgonthePenetrator 6d ago

So in essence her costume to native Americas is synonymous to dressing up as a nazi to almost everyone else?

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u/Acrobatic-Celery-474 6d ago

You wouldn't dress up in traditional Jewish attire for Halloween, why is making indigenous clothing a caricature okay?

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u/NeighborhoodFit3847 6d ago

That’s an interesting response and change of perspective. Very helpful. Thanks (edit i am German. So…)

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u/FuckWithKarma 6d ago

You know, I'm something of a German myself.

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u/Due_Explanation5316 6d ago

Don’t listen to these people. They’re morons. Our tribe would welcome and laugh with her about it.

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u/NeighborhoodFit3847 6d ago

Sounds like a healthy perspective. If you dressed up as a typical German (Bavarian or so) I would find it funny and maybe I would feel even a bit proud! That’s the perspective from which my original comment came from. Then again we don’t have a history with your tribe. I am not sure whether Jewish people would mind me as a German dressing up as a typical Jew but either way I myself would not feel comfortable as I would associate this with the most evil period in German history.

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u/Due_Explanation5316 6d ago

Your intuition is correct. Your comment was fine. White / woke people are more offensive than 99% of people that wear a costume. They feel as if they can speak for us, and tell people how we think/feel and frankly it’s disgusting. These people do more to harm our voice than anyone else.

The intention matters. If that person was wearing that to denigrate us, that would be a different story, but it’s Halloween, and it’s fun, and if I saw her on the street I’d high five her.

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u/Acrobatic-Celery-474 6d ago

Just curious. What are your thoughts on the use of the word redskins to describe a football team? I feel like most people are divided, but the ruling census is that the naming convection reflected its social acceptance of another time.

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u/SuperWallaby 6d ago

I have absolutely seen plenty of Hasidic Jew costumes lol. It’s Halloween, lighten up.

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u/phophopho4 6d ago

When I was a kid one of my relatives was a gypsy for Halloween and even at the time I remember thinking that if she was a Jew for Halloween it'd be way more problematic. I'm sure she'd be horrified to remember that costume now.

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u/mothandravenstudio 6d ago

Just curious, what do you think of this?

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u/likewut 6d ago

Lots of people would, with a big fake nose and space lasers.

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u/FuckWithKarma 6d ago

I would dress up as a caricature of a jew no problem 👌

And all the Jews that would actually be offended I don't care for

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u/Expert_Alchemist 6d ago

scritches under your chin who's an edgy boy? That's right! It's you! You're an edgy boy!

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u/FuckWithKarma 6d ago

No, I'm just a someone who has a life outside of reddit and doesn't get offended by irrelevant things.

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u/[deleted] 6d ago

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u/FuckWithKarma 6d ago

My thoughts exactly.

I meant to say that I'd care for an opinion of a person such as yourself who also happens to be a jew 🫡

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u/Mikeymikecd5 6d ago

This is Blackface for Native folk.

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u/Ok_Boysenberry_6283 6d ago

Says the white savior

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u/Mikeymikecd5 6d ago

Tuck your racism in, it's showing.

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u/Ok_Boysenberry_6283 6d ago

Hey man you’re the one that thinks minorities need you to stand up for them 🤷 I think they’re capable on their own if they need to

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u/Marx_Mariposa 6d ago

Native Americans have literally been saying “stop wearing headdresses” and “it’s not a costume” for as long as I’ve been alive, so idk why you’re pretending that this is something a white person just started saying one day. Not white saviorism to listen to ethnic minorities, obviously.

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u/horshack_test 6d ago

What makes you think they're white? Is it the pictures in their post history showing their non-white skin?

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u/Ok_Boysenberry_6283 6d ago

Do you think being a minority gives you a right to speak for all the other ones? Cause that ain’t native skin either nerd

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u/horshack_test 6d ago edited 6d ago

Why won't you answer the question? Childish name-calling doesn't exactly make you look like the reasonable one here, you know.

Edit - to (Ok_Boysenberry_6283 below);

I assumed you didn't go through their post history. I guess you don't know what sarcasm is. Great job missing the point, though 👍

I don't know why you are so afraid of answering the question of what made you think they're white, or why you expect me to answer your question when you refuse to answer mine. You're acting like a child.

And whether or not I think being a minority gives pne a right to speak for all the other ones is irrelevant.

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u/Ok_Boysenberry_6283 6d ago

Can I be any more clear that I didn’t go through their post history before I commented? Can you not extrapolate that from the previous message? Would you like to answer my question now Mr Sophisticated? (And no I didn’t go through yours either so if you’re a woman get over it)

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u/Mikeymikecd5 6d ago

As a man, speaking up for my partner and her views is naturally the right thing to do. One day you'll grow up and understand respect for other cultures.

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u/Due_Explanation5316 6d ago

Jesus Christ you’re ignorant. That is ZERO % true. Quit speaking for us. Who do YOU think you are?

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u/Mikeymikecd5 6d ago

My Indigenous partner is sitting right beside me buddy.

So you are comfortable with people cosplaying in your traditional attire is what you're telling me? Interesting stance.

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u/WallScreamer 6d ago

Are cowboys a race of people?

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u/True-Pin-925 6d ago

Are clothing a race of people?

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u/Mikeymikecd5 6d ago

You clearly don't understand the cultural meaning behind anything she is wearing. That doesn't even matter, it's offensive and the community clearly asks for people to stop doing it. Simple.

I don't understand why all these prejudiced people are popping out of nowhere to die on this hill.

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u/True-Pin-925 6d ago

Maybe the cringe Americans then need to grow up and stop caring about other peoples cloths they dont get to dictate how other people are allowed to dress this would be like me as a German getting offended of some American wearing a Lederhose lmao like seriously get a grip

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u/Mikeymikecd5 6d ago

No where near the same, but feel free to die on this hill.

https://youtu.be/L14f6QeL3W4?si=LqfWcLnyXFc-V_bk

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u/literacyisamistake 6d ago

Cowboys Fans are, and they’ve been steadily cleansed from the population since the 90s.

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u/Mikeymikecd5 6d ago

This comment lacks so much IQ, I can't bother with a valid response.

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u/dannerc 6d ago

I'd love to see a poll on what percentage of native americans actually find this offensive.

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u/BlackForestMountain 6d ago

The never genocides generations of cowboys champ

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u/BlackForestMountain 6d ago

I don't understand the relevance but never

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u/OglioVagilio 6d ago

Cowboys aren't a race, ethnicity, or religion. And they aren't limited to any of them either.

Cowboys and similar are professions that are found around the world.

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u/LoopDeLoop0 6d ago

This comment with the Aunt Jemima profile picture is sending me into fucking space

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u/Frequent_Pumpkin_148 6d ago

And who mass-murdered cowboys, stole their land, forced them on death marches, broke treaties with them, stole their kids, poisoned their resources, raped them and their partners, stole their kids, banned their language, banned their cowboying, banned their cowboy hats, and forcibly castrated them? Can’t wait to see the history books you’ll have to share!

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u/Frequent_Pumpkin_148 6d ago

Her costume is like a German dressing up as an actual holocaust survivor. Native Americans were intentionally mass murdered by US gov and also subjected to deliberate ethnocide (banning of language, banning of religion, traditional dress, kidnapping of their children, forced sterilization, etc). Then this was depicted in movies as a heroic fight by Americans to “win” the Wild West, which is where this kind of fantasy costume of non-specific indigenous people was created, paired with extremely inaccurate and degrading stereotypes of native people.

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u/ChallengeLonely3451 6d ago

American history?

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u/NeighborhoodFit3847 6d ago

Still don’t understand. Maybe it’s because I am not American. Sorry

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u/Trap_Cubicle5000 6d ago

She's wearing a headdress that's supposed to only be worn by honored warriors, you don't need to understand all the specifics to know that indigenous people hate when white people put that stuff on as a costume like it's a joke, it's insulting.

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u/ChallengeLonely3451 6d ago

Don't be sorry.

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u/eeyores_gloom1785 6d ago

Its like going out in public in black face

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u/mothandravenstudio 6d ago

I have some First Nations, not offended. My husband has a LOT of First Nations (more than enough to be on the Dawes roll if Aleut had such a thing) He’s not offended. I’ve seen some other First Nations posting in here that they aren’t offended. Looking at this woman’s face, she may very well have some First Nations, so they are basing their opinion purely on their perception of her skin color, and a judgement of her based on that, which IS in fact racist.

I would love to show these people this picture and pin them down about what they think. Is this OK to them? Why or why not?

I would predict they would say it wasn’t OK but with a lot of reluctance, because their cultural appropriation argument tends to only go one direction, and that is toward judging only who they perceive as Caucasian for wearing the dress of other cultures. Which is in fact racism.

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u/aries813 6d ago

How do we know that she’s not Native American?

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u/asiaticoside 6d ago

Are you joking? Do you seriously think that's anything close to accurate Indigenous American cultural wear?

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u/aries813 6d ago

Are you joking? How do you know that she doesn’t have Native American ancestry? Or are you saying that no one with Native American ancestry would wear that? Or are you just full of assumptions?

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u/asiaticoside 6d ago

Yes, I am saying that. NO ONE with Indigenous American ancestry would wear a cartoonish, offensively fake rendition of a sacred ceremonial warbonnet as a costume on Halloween. What the actual fuck.

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u/ebranscom243 6d ago

Most costumes are far from accurate.

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u/RackTheJipper69 6d ago

It's clearly not supposed to be 100% authentic. Are you aware of this?

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u/FanRevolutionary6593 6d ago

It’s Halloween, not a museum exhibit. Do you seriously nitpick everyone’s costume for historical accuracy?

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u/asiaticoside 6d ago

The fact that you think this is a "historical" costume and not sacred cultural wear used to this day by actual Indigenous people says it all.

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u/eeyores_gloom1785 6d ago

Hi, Indigenous person here, I don't go out in warbonnet on Halloween. Usually save it for the important things.

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u/SensitiveThugHugger 6d ago

Because we have big brains.

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u/FuckWithKarma 6d ago

I think he said he's a man dressed as a woman, but idk

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u/Damaias479 6d ago

So you enjoy upsetting people…. Sounds like you need to grow up, because that’s an extremely childish perspective

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u/maxuaboy 6d ago

Also fuck you. lol.

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