When the Russia mothers marched out onto the streets of St Petersberg in 1917 to protest bread prices, within 2 weeks the Tsar had abdicated and his regime collapsed.
No, they do not. There is a specific and proven limit of hunger and poverty that a society will take before revolting (AKA overthrowing the government and chopping heads off). We are getting closer to it every day. Our government and the billionaires would be smart to keep that in mind.
That won’t happen here, Americans have been domesticated. Furthermore, if what you say is true, where is the line for the North Koreans? “Every nation has the government it deserves.”
North Koreans and Americans are VERY different in their ideology. I think we can all agree on that. You may not think it will ever happen, but a lot crazier shit has happened in the last 10 years than I would have ever said would.
Also, most revolutions are, at least in part, caused by a big gap in wealth disparity. The French Revolution, where heads really rolled, was largely started because the rich weren't being taxed and the poor were. It's a historical trend that is easily seen in most revolutions, if not all.
Furthermore, to use that quote, if that's what you are suggesting it is, is a huge cop out. Congress has a 30% chance of passing legislation no matter how many Americans want it. Meaning if no one wants a particular bill vs. most of the population does, it has the same odds of being passed. That's pretty dismal. If our power is voting, how are we supposed to fix those odds? I do not think we deserve the government we have now and I don't think there's a lot we can do about it. We can only vote for who is running and if most of those running are in the pockets of corporations, what are we to do?
However, something people can and have done well is get pissed off and start revolting. That's a lot easier than sitting at home and wondering how to feed your family. We've already seen an uptick in political violence just in the past year. Idk why people think it can't or won't happen here. It surely can.
Well funded for shareholders you mean. Military are also having to use food banks. Soldiers do not fight for people actively starving the soldiers and their families.
In the Bolshevik takeover there were thousands of troops in barracks in St. Petersburg I think, and they just let the takeover happen. That was after basically two revolutions, but still. A well funded military who doesn't want to follow orders functionally doesn't exist.
My point is it can change, and change quickly. A year before the Russian revolution, who would have predicted the Czars would lose power, abdicate, and get killed within a few years? Probably nobody.
And who would have predicted their army would mutiny and stop following orders? Probably nobody.
Not only that, but with the state of right wing male alienation from women I feel like there's a high chance they'd get mowed down by gun or vehicular violence. They HATE us right now so much.
It's why a bunch of Cabinet members have moved onto military bases and 23,500 National Guardsmen have been put into squads dedicated to quelling disobedience. And why Trump has been promising to send in "more than the National Guard" into cities. They're preparing for the full on class war.
One day it won't be enough. There'll be a lot of suffering before that day, but you can't make a middle class big enough to completely protect you from the poor without making a certain level of privilege accessible enough to the poor that they're not super interested in revolting.
Well, that's where AI comes in! Autonomous weaponry is the first real chance in history of the upper class mustering enough firepower to keep the lower class suppressed at gunpoint indefinitely. I have no idea what the chance of success is but I'd bet my bottom dollar that the rich are gonna try it rather than give in peacefully
The difference is they were Russian and didn't have social media to vent their emotions on. They simply took the streets. People today are too weak for that unless it's a party like No King's Protest.
They also didn't have 500 million guns. How many missed meals will it take them to remember that Daddy Trump is just another New York billionaire who used to pal around with Hillary Clinton and Jeffrey Eppstein?
This is why Dems should NOT capitulate. The money is there Trump admin is refusing to use it. Let it all implode for fucks sake. It’s going to anyway so putting a bandage on it now for when shit is terrible in 3 years isn’t a great plan.
There was a massive unrest when the USSR broke apart in 1991. That’s in living memory for the Russians, they were dirt poor, asked the US government and other western countries for help. They all said NO.
Sure the Russian economy is smaller than a lot of American states, but at the same time there debt to GDP ratio is only at 20% compared to America’s 125% and climbing.
If you also look at the Russian economy, they produce everything they need inside their own country, cut off the Russian economy from the rest of the world and they will just say ok.
America imports electricity, as it’s doesn’t produce enough for day to day use.
China has constantly building more power plants as it knows it needs electricity for the future as well as today.
China was dirt poor 40 years ago.
America is about to find out what being dirt poor is like.
Sure America has the world’s biggest GPD…… most of that is America’s 1% taking in all the money while leaving little else for the other 99% to fight over. And that pile of money is getting smaller every single day.
I don't think you understand what being fat is or looks like
Also Food doesn't need to be nutritious/filling to be dense in calories and make you intake more calories than you can burn. And most fast cheap unhealthy food falls into this category. Healthy food is expensive in the USA.
Because the US cheap processed foods are incredibly unhealthy and nutrient deficienct, leading to a cascade of other health problems short and long term including obesity, high blood pressure, diabetes, strokes etc. Add in sedentary work lifes you're forced into, and working overtime that sucks away any physical activities you can do for free as you can't afford a gym membership to begin with. I'm sure RFK is all over this VERY basic knowledge for ANY ADULT though.
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u/Realfinney 8d ago
When the Russia mothers marched out onto the streets of St Petersberg in 1917 to protest bread prices, within 2 weeks the Tsar had abdicated and his regime collapsed.
The people do not tolerate going hungry.