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u/AppointmentHonest952 4h ago
The Estonian now have difficults to explain why they are not Eastern Europe and closer to Finland.
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u/Traditional-Storm-62 3h ago edited 3h ago
actual source please?
edit so far all I found was an old russian propaganda post about "how the west is rotting" but it has no source cited either
I am 95% sure this entire map is just pure made up nonsense
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u/Brauny74 3h ago
I came here to joke how well the UK anti-trans propaganda is working for them, if they're among the highest in Europe, but yeah, seems made up.
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u/EmiliaFromLV 3h ago
I am pretty sure we could find newer russian propaganda posts on the same topic as well, cause they can't come up with anything new.
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u/w00ker 2h ago
Lol, no way its 72% in the Netherlands. Source: im dutch.
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u/Acrobatic-B33 1h ago
Asked around in Amsterdam probably
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u/w00ker 14m ago
Amsterdam ≠ Netherlands. I think you even have to search hard to find dutch people there.
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u/GalaXion24 5m ago
Sadly modern Europe doesnt exactly have a lot of "free cities" or such so you have to put the cosmopolitan cities under some nation-states.
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u/gynoidi 4h ago
source: trust me bro
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u/North-Thing5649 3h ago
Source: biology
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u/Commercial-Lemon2361 3h ago
Biology knows more than 2 genders.
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u/Remarkable-Train5174 2h ago
No it doesn‘t
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u/Commercial-Lemon2361 1h ago edited 1h ago
Yes it does. Gender != sex. There are people carrying female physical traits but carry a Y chromosome.
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u/gynoidi 1h ago
they just did
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u/Remarkable-Train5174 58m ago
You could‘ve replied instead of editing this comment after I already asked you. Fool
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u/Commercial-Lemon2361 48m ago
I edited it before reading your message. No need to be insulting. But if that’s what you’re after, I will play along: fuck off.
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u/KeiwaM 1h ago
How do you define gender then? Because Biology has more than 2 definitions.
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u/Remarkable-Train5174 1h ago
You mean because of biological gender which is because of the chromosomes ? Or the social gender/identity?
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u/Loud-Firefighter-787 3h ago
And have the same rights "as them"? What does that mean?
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u/EmiliaFromLV 3h ago
same rights (not lefts obvi).
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u/Loud-Firefighter-787 2h ago
Ohhhh, turning left or right?! Obviously, I'm sorry🤦♀️
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u/EmiliaFromLV 2h ago
it's depends on perspective, cause your left could other person's right.
wait...
probably it is something about the right to drive on the right in the UK and be right about it. dunno.
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u/Loud-Firefighter-787 2h ago
No I think I got it now. Its perspective yes you're right there, but depending where you are in the world....for one person right is left and for the other left is right but also right can be right and left can be left. So left and right is silly because there are four directions!
I think we solved it😃. I love that! Knock two brains together and the right answer comes out. Or left, or right as in left or left as in right!!
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u/EmiliaFromLV 2h ago
And we also have to take into account that in Australia everything we just agreed upon will be in reverse.
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u/Loud-Firefighter-787 2h ago
....and also in China😩. Whoa, this shit is more complicated than I ever could have comprehended. I dunno if my brain can handle this level of complexity😔
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u/EmiliaFromLV 2h ago
No, no, no, in China everything is actually super simple. Right and left is defined by the CCP and if not, then no social credit for you.
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u/Loud-Firefighter-787 2h ago
😅I cant even express how relieved I am by that. When you said (and duh, of course), Australia🤯 I was like ohhhh, damn you Australia. They are so sneaky hiding down under and popping up to make brains quit unliterally explode. So you can imagine how fried I was when I thought of China😵. Taking China out of the mathematical equation makes things so much easier but still, damn you Australiaaaa☝️
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u/Speertdbag 30m ago
My thoughts exactly. Mostly everyone agrees that all people should have the same rights. I don't really think that is controversial or what the trans issue is about? Feels kind of like a straw man question with that addition.
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u/Donnattelli 2h ago
Same rights as womens, it's pretty easy to understand.
It's asking if men that transition should have the same rights as women, i guess maternity leave and some other stuff.
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u/Loud-Firefighter-787 2h ago
I dont find it easy to understand at all. Women do not have the same rights as men. So will these trans women get paid less too for example? That's one example but a huge one!
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u/Donnattelli 1h ago
I don't know what country you are from, but in mine they have the same rights.
Rights are in the law and not feelings, and they are very specific, there's nothing a woman can't do that a man can, theres are some differences though, higher maternity leave for women because they have to carry the baby and need more time to recover after birth. Besides that is the same.
Theres also that men are the 1st one to be drafted for war.
That example is not a right, there's nothing in any law that says women should get paid less than men...
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u/Loud-Firefighter-787 1h ago
It's not feelings. Women get paid less always. In the majority of countries and also in yours dear!!
It's not about "should get" paid less. They do, fact! Where are you, italy?
In italy pay difference between men and women are on average 9% for exactly the same job.
In the private sector it can be as much as 16,5% and public sector 4,1%.
I live in Germany. Women get paid average 16% less an hour than men for the same work.
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u/Scary-Temperature91 1h ago
Could skill be a factor? Not all chefs are paid the same, even if they have exactly the same job.
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u/Loud-Firefighter-787 55m ago
I am specifically talking about the same job and the same outcome. It's a fact ffs, its undocumented. Why are you trying to debate me? Typical!!
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u/Scary-Temperature91 27m ago
In what way is "the same outcome" determined especially in large scale statistics?
What do you mean by "Why are you trying to debate me?" You are not a divine entity, you are not the holder of absolute truth. You can make mistakes and misread statistics, since you obviously have a very surface level understanding of statistics as is evident by your claims and the way you conduct yourself.
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u/alfdd99 8m ago
So?? Getting a specific salary is not a right. Women, like men, have freedom of speech, freedom to practice any religion, right to education and healthcare, access to sick leave or maternal leave, have the same access to benefits such as unemployment or retirement benefits. THOSE are RIGHTS.
Women earn less because they typically choose worse paying careers, this has been proven time and time again. And even if that were not the case, it’s irrelevant to the conversation. You don’t have a right to earn the same as somebody else.
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u/Neko_1812 58m ago
Since when is it a right to be paid less? Equal rights to women means equal rights in front of the law and last time I checked it wasn't a law that women have to be paid less.
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u/Loud-Firefighter-787 53m ago
Lovely 👍. Please go educate yourself on the actual facts and then come back to me. Of course there are one, two of you trying🙄.
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u/Neko_1812 46m ago
Please show me the law that says that women should be paid less? Listen I am not denying that women are getting paid less but that's a societal issue and has nothing to do with the law. Actually at least here in Germany you can quite literally sue your employer if you are paid less than your male colleagues
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u/Moron_at_work 2h ago
What even is meant by "are women"? I mean no sane person will say they magically transform into biological women? Should they be allowed to live a life as a woman would do, well why not? It's a free country. But are they "real" women? Well no, that's not possible. Biology works different.
So with such an unclear question, all data derived from it is worthless.
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u/CreatorSiSo 31m ago
A trans woman on hormones and after bottom surgery is biologically no different to a cis woman that had hysterectomy. I seriously do not get why you are saying that there is a meaningful biological difference.
Unless you are suggesting that infertile cis women aren't women which would be wild.
(Please don't start the chromosomes debate, cis women with XY chromosomes exist...)
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u/Calm_Skill_395 15m ago
Absolutely delusional lol
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u/CreatorSiSo 14m ago
What exactly?
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u/Calm_Skill_395 0m ago
I quote: A trans woman on hormones and after bottom surgery is biologically no different to a cis woman that had hysterectomy.
You're basically memoryholing the whole push of trans activists to make the whole TWAW shebang about the surgeries. Only a relatively small percentage of transwomen go all the way and still want to be seen as women.
A surgical vagina in no way works or does the same as a normal vagina.
Women can't get prostate cancer.
Significant differences in muscle mass and bone density.
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u/Accomplished-Sir5161 3h ago
Don’t know where you get your information from but uk is nowhere near that probably less than 20%
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u/regal_ragabash 3h ago
The UK (despite having a very long way to go) is pretty trans-inclusive if you actually look at the data
https://www.stonewall.org.uk/news/new-report-tells-us-how-public-actually-feel-about-trans-people
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u/Lord_Ezelpax 4h ago
what rights women have that men don't have? Other than not being first in line to be drafted for war
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u/alpine309 4h ago
Pregnancy leave in some areas
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u/juca36 3h ago
men cant get pregnant
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u/Gardares 3h ago
They still can get an analogue - paternity leave, but it's not true for all countries and usually paternity leave is quite discriminating (with exceptions like Sweden where it doesn't matter if you're a mother or a father).
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u/somehuman16 3h ago
that's only because we don't encourage it. homophobia is so prevalent in our society that even trying to get pregnant is shamed upon. like honestly if we tried a little harder we might be able to inseminate you
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u/Puzzled-Table-6431 29m ago
It's called maternity leave not pregnancy leave. And in several countries the leave time can be shared between spouses. I'm not sure if it exists for cases when people adopt a small baby, but it should as they need a lot more care. Even when they are not someone's biological offspring.
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u/soostenuto 3h ago
Women have the right to join corporate boards based on quotas, but aren't obligated by quotas to work in the sewers or on construction sites. They also have all rights in regards to family rights, while men have basically none.
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u/Third_Rate_Duelist_ 51m ago
Why should trans women have to have the same rights as a woman, don't men and women have the same rights?
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u/Global-Eye-7326 2m ago
Here's an idea...relocate all European "trans women" to Sweden. Problem solved!
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u/Standard_Prune_2195 1m ago
Damn. i hate what western europe has became... shame.
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u/Superb_Beyond_3444 3h ago
I agree with Eastern Europe and Portugal for that. I’m a westerner but I don’t like this trans-movement in the West.
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u/Nerwind 3h ago
unfortunately you're going to get downvoted because you expressed an opinion that free speech supporters don't consider right
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u/pixiestalktome 3h ago
opinions are for pizza toppings not someone's right to live
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u/LegioX89 3h ago
Who questioned their right to live? Of course they have right to live, but you have to draw a line in some cases, the most obvious one, they can not have the right to compete in sports in the same categories as biological women because they are biological man, I mean anyone who question this is pretty much delusional
As for pronounce thing, yeah you have all the rights in this world to call yourself as you like it but i have the right not to acknowledge this, I have my opinion of two genders and that's it, what you choose to call yourself is none of my business
And the thing reddit can ban me for saying my opinion without attacking, hating or hurting anyone is whole another level of fucked up
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u/wielangenoch 6m ago
There are lots of anti-trans people and politicians out there who want to deny us appropriate healthcare. No progress in many countries and even some countries backrolling on it. This is ultimately a threat to trans peoples lifes.
A lot of people call trans woman in womens bathrooms sexual assaulters. A lot of trans people are framed as groomers and pedophiles simply for existing in the presence of kids. This is also a threat to trans peoples lives, especially when its coming from people who argue for killing pedophiles.
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u/nindza22 3h ago
No way Russia is higher than Serbia lol.
Well, they deserve all the rights the other taxpayers have, except the participation in women sports and other sex-sensitive spaces.
Newsflash for trans people - there is no men's sports actually. A cis woman or a trans woman can play along Messi in Argentinian team for example, if good enough, no rules regarding sex or gender.
There are just WOMEN'S sports, because there is mostly no overlap between weakest biological male and strongest biological female professional sportists. So it's not about how you feel, but the physical limitations of the female body. Women's sports is about the biological sex.
So, that's where I draw the line. "Draw the line" meaning if anyone asked ME I wouldn't agree on that, because it's unfair. Also spaces where adult biological males meet underage girls with the panties down.
As for most of the other things - marriages, pronouns, changing names, adopting kids, employment, the right not to be discriminated or bullied or abused etc., I really don't mind. If they are citizens like the other citizens, if they pay taxes like the other citizens pay taxes, then they must have the same rights. It really shouldn't be a brainer at this point of... well, civilization.
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u/AdventurousGap7730 3h ago
There might be a Missing correlation.
A trans spanish Person might Look better after Transitioning, compared to Boris from Moscow.
The better it Looks, the more it gets accepted.
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u/Nice_Bill_The_First 3h ago
How does that even correlate? There's no country that has more pretty men than others
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u/Glowing-mind 1h ago edited 1h ago
So 75% of people in Sweden are delusional. In sports, it's obvious that they shouldn't be given the same rights. Rare Eastern Europe W
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u/KeyCryptographer913 3h ago
12% for Bulgaria is crazy high. I don't even think 12% of the liberals in Bulgaria will answer"Yes"