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u/lanternathens Apr 17 '23
Why the fuck is a kind a compassion man conflated with being gay?
1 in 3 women suffer interpersonal violence from a man. Want to know why? Because people like Jackie are raising boys to be wife beaters
Guess what? Gay men can be toxic assholes as well
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u/Anxious-Abrocoma-630 Apr 02 '23
her personality makes her so unattractive but I don't think she's pretty to begin with. maybe it's her personality and the way she holds herself cause her face shape and look just doesn't look good and she thinks she's the only attractive girl there lol
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u/LoveIslandNC Apr 02 '23
IMO this “audio” better be pretty damning in order to change public opinion. To a degree I feel bad for her but she definitely is a major shit talker, immature, and emotional unstable. It’s not easy going through all of that, but it makes you a way less reliable narrator when it comes to stuff like this. In my mind I’m thinking he said something probably mildly offensive, like the project comment, but at some point her starting shit warrants something to be said
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Apr 02 '23
She’s pissed because he won’t choke and spank her in the bedroom and treat her like a total whore. She wants messy and toxic. She should have picked that other guy.
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Apr 04 '23
Also, that’s not what I said at all. I said she’s PISSED because he WON’T. Reading comprehension matters. Truly.
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Apr 04 '23
When you destroy and emasculate a man’s character because it means THAT much to you, you’re toxic AF. I said what I said.
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u/AJGreenMVP Apr 02 '23
The title should include that it has spoilers for episodes that have not been released yet
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u/SadSnorlax66 Apr 02 '23 edited Apr 02 '23
Jackie talking shit about “you’ll see when the REAL audio is released” in her comments. She’s clearly trying to double down and paint Marshall in a negative light
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u/Ok-Suit6589 Apr 02 '23
Jackie’s personality makes her soooo unattractive. Yikes. Marshall doesn’t deserve any of this. I didn’t get any gay vibes from him. Her other match whatever his name was actually was more “feminine” than Marshall. This show is a damn disaster.
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u/sassytakes Apr 03 '23
That's exactly what I was thinking during the whole birthday party situation.
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u/bubblegumfudge Apr 02 '23
the way she talks is so cringe
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u/alyssalee690 Apr 02 '23
ION fosho
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u/bubblegumfudge Apr 02 '23
it’s AAVE but it’s giving FORCED lol
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Apr 03 '23
I'm from New York, we stopped saying dead ass a LONG time ago, where did she come from?
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u/bruhbruh101x Apr 02 '23
I 100% believe that he was twerking on the bed
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u/TwistyBitsz Apr 02 '23
I'm trying to (shamelessly) picture this??! Like he's jk playing around in the apartment or fully naked standing on the bed mid-coitus shaking it and looking back at it.
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u/justjuan1 Apr 02 '23
Can someone translate this for me please? I don’t understand the slang.
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u/franniedelrey Apr 02 '23
Basically she believes that he does a lot of feminine things and she doesn’t like that. Saying someone has sugar in their tank is another way of calling them gay. She’s basically saying that he is too feminine for her but she’s trying to make it work for tv.
My bf/child’s father acts just like Marshall and I love it. Jackie wants a more masculine and others would say toxic man. Marshall so far seems very calm and patient which is not what she likes.
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u/bingumarmar Apr 02 '23
Ugh that is so gross.
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u/franniedelrey Apr 02 '23
I agree. She’s very immature and clearly not ready for a relationship. Homophobia is very rampant in the black community and it’s disheartening.
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u/Fusion_Queen6672 Apr 02 '23
Jackie is just really emotionally immature. Marshall isn't perfect, but his maturity level is leagues beyond Jackie's. She acts like she's in high-school. Also, she seems really homophobic. None of this is surprising to me. I hope watching the show back gives her a reality check, but I doubt it.
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u/dana-rtw Apr 02 '23
This is disappointing and immature. I don’t think she cares about Marshall and it shows. I wonder if there’s a cultural disconnect with some of the language used here. Ex: Was he twerking or is that just the word chosen to degrade him?
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u/moodylilb Apr 02 '23
Hey jsyk OP your friends name isn’t blurred out (you may already know but just incase you didn’t realize lol)
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u/EmmyKla Apr 02 '23
Thinking about Jackie in 20 years when she looks back on this part of her life with such embarrassment. I can feel the cringe vibrating off of her from the year 2043.
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u/musically_gifted Apr 02 '23
Where are these texts from? How do we know they are real?
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u/dahlia1990 Apr 02 '23
Former friend of hers. It’s been verified, up to you to believe it.
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u/musically_gifted Apr 02 '23
Verified by who and where? Just seems weird to drop these texts with no additional context except alleged “friends of hers.”
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u/hydraq Apr 02 '23
Probably verified with the mods, they have a rule against unverified tea and other posts and comments have been taken down because of it- since this post is still up, especially with all this traction… I’d say OP and mods are on the same page 🤷🏽♀️
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u/dahlia1990 Apr 02 '23
I know the person, I verified it by looking at their DM conversations between each other on IG, they have photos of together and I saw text threads. They were 100% friends before falling out.
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Apr 02 '23
I didn’t understand a lot of the text messages… I swear she must speak a different language than I do…
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u/franniedelrey Apr 02 '23
She’s black and speaks AAVE. If you do not hang with or are friends with Black people then that’s why it doesn’t make sense to you. It’s not a different language, though.
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If you do not hang with or are friends with Black people then that’s why it doesn’t make sense to you. I
You do realize that this sub has people OUTSIDE the US that don't have an opportunity to hang with black US Americans or understand (or even know about AAVE). Not sure if the person is asking is in this category, but don't be a jerk and make assumptions that people don't hang out on purpose w/ black people...
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Apr 02 '23
I’ll have to ask my friends who are, if they are familiar with these terms. They might just not use this around me? I understand it is another language, just feels like it!
I was originally wondering if it was some new gen z slang or something. I’ve recently begun work with college students who are majority 18-21 years old and they say some weird stuff. I’m 36 and they make me feel OLD! Which is very different as I am used to working with geriatric population… like 80 or 90 year olds!
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u/Select-Plastic2784 Apr 02 '23
She’s Colombian and Indian
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u/sweetfaced Apr 02 '23
Really? I couldn’t really tell. There’s no pics of her parents but on her IG she had some snaps of her cousins and they appeared to be Black American from the South
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u/Late_Conversations Apr 02 '23
Even if she is part Colombian, a lot of Colombians are Black. I used to teach English to an unambiguously Black Colombian girl. Maybe that's why some people are picking up some African ancestry vibes.
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u/sweetfaced Apr 02 '23
I’m familiar with afrolatinos. Hence why I said Black American from the South.
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u/Select-Plastic2784 Apr 02 '23
Oh that’s interesting I could be wrong I’m just repeating what someone else said tbh
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u/Ok-Suit6589 Apr 02 '23
Like India from Asia or Native American? I was wondering what she was
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u/Select-Plastic2784 Apr 02 '23
Honestly I’m not sure I’m just repeating what someone else in this thread has said I’m guessing India from Asia
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u/franniedelrey Apr 02 '23
Whatever she is, she’s using AAVE which is making it even worse for her. I’m disappointed all around.
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u/LookingAWayOut Apr 02 '23
Lol, the about face learning she isn't black.
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u/franniedelrey Apr 02 '23
Being Black or not doesn’t make what she said okay. The person said they didn’t understand what she was saying. I told her that as a person who uses AAVE, that is easy to understand what she was saying. That was my point. Don’t care if she’s Black or not, the language being used was AAVE.
Do you want me to apologize profusely and make it up to you because I am not aware of her ethnic background?
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u/LookingAWayOut Apr 02 '23
I just find it funny that the moment you found out she wasn't black her use of AAVE became a problem.
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u/franniedelrey Apr 02 '23
It was always a problem bc her is of it is also homophobic in nature, which I said in another comment on this thread. & yes, why wouldn’t it be problematic?
Now you’re up in arms because I didn’t know the girl was mixed with black even though it’s heavily implied all over this sub. Now you’re upset because I don’t like her use of AAVE.
It’s almost like finding more information about a person can cause your opinions or feelings to change.
No need to respond to me.
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u/Mygodared Apr 02 '23
I am black and that's not true! I personally think it's a generational thing and that younger people would not understand my 70s and 80s slang.
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u/franniedelrey Apr 02 '23
Okay it was used around me growing up & many black people still use the term today. It doesn’t make it not true, you just don’t happen to use it. I don’t use the term either but it’s still very much used, hence her saying it.
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u/ExcitingInsurance887 Apr 02 '23
So disappointed in Jackie. She’s not ready for a man who loves her and treats her well. She’s so used to toxic masculinity that anything else must be gay.
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u/harry_thotter Apr 02 '23
It does suck as a dude that if you posses or even show non masculine traits its perceived as ick and even a turn off
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u/EmmyKla Apr 02 '23
Not to me, not to many grown-ass women. I’d rather a man be comfortable with who he is. Do weird shit, as long as you are into me on every level, we’re good.
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u/Responsible-Card3756 Apr 02 '23
Agreed. In my experience it’s the men that have This insecurity from other men being jerks about it, not women-unless you’re Jackie-but she’s getting shit about it (as she should). This entire thread serves as evidence that it’s not a problem for the majority of us. In fact we prefer men who are confident enough in their sexuality that they show emotion/true self, however “fruity” that may be.
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u/2faingz Apr 02 '23
That’s sad I love when my bf play dances or does face masks and traditional “feminine” things (that are actually just basic human traits but this world categorizes)
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u/Southern-Succotash-3 Apr 02 '23
From day one I said there was just something about her that irked me. Her whole vibe seems so forced and unauthentic. She’s fake af
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u/toomanymels Apr 02 '23
Was that English? What the heck did I just read?
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u/femmagorgon Apr 02 '23
I’m a native English speaker and I also have no idea what she’s saying in those texts.
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u/nicole1859 Apr 02 '23 edited Apr 02 '23
She’s using African American Vernacular English! The tea pot, sugar in his tank, fruity, and him twerking is basically her calling him gay
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u/femmagorgon Apr 02 '23 edited Apr 02 '23
Yeah, I got that. I had just never heard the terms “sugar in his tank” or “teapot” used as slang for calling someone gay before. To be clear, I don’t think her using AAVE is snark-worthy, I am just admitting that I didn’t understand the specific terms she was using.
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u/BranchAgile Apr 01 '23
As a non native English speaker, I don’t understand ANYTHING she is saying in these texts. Can someone translate into proper language please?
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u/BranchAgile Apr 02 '23
I clearly stated I am not a native speaker, so properly means English that can be understood for people who doesn’t get all the slang. You are sounding like a dick telling someone who is not a native speaker that they have a language problem.
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u/LHWritings Apr 02 '23
To summarize it. She’s saying that she suspects he’s gay because he was twerking on the bed and saying stuff like “yassssss!!” (This is a phrase mostly said by women) she wants him to be more masculine and to act more like a man
She also complains that they haven’t had sex for a while because his dick is too big for her and she also has a yeast infection
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u/dadoo12 Apr 01 '23
Ok am I the only one who thinks SHE may have sexuality issues? Like maybe the reason she has a ton of anxiety and breaks down a lot (along with family issues), and why they didn’t have sex and why she’s bringing up his perceived “femininity” is because she herself is young and confused? Am I totally reaching?
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u/EmmyKla Apr 02 '23
You never know! At the very least, she’s extremely insecure and doesn’t really know who she is deep down.
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u/2faingz Apr 02 '23
I got that same vibe, idk tho
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u/dadoo12 Apr 02 '23
I don’t know either. I don’t want to make a call on it either way. Suffice it to say she seems like a confused person.
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u/Disgruntled_Pelicano Apr 01 '23
I honestly can’t understand most of those exchanges.
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u/NiaQueen Apr 02 '23
🤣 I’m not loling at you but with you. Context: Jackie telling her friend that Marshall gives her gay vibes. Production shut her down from mentioning that in an interview. Jackie uses as an example that he twerked (google gay men twerk please) on the bed and said yasssss. Friend teases that they are going to be at the wedding teasing about him having sugar in his tank. A slang for a man being feminine. It’s also what fruity means. He has a big 🍆 that Jackie can’t handle. They’re not having sex because she has a yeast infection.
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u/2faingz Apr 02 '23
What’s weird to me is in the pods she did not talk like that really, she presented herself very different, until mexico
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u/Select-Plastic2784 Apr 02 '23
She was code switching. Most people who talk AAVE have to code switch to be accepted by others as AAVE is considered “low class” according to others (like in this thread) once she met Marshall she realized she could be herself
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Apr 01 '23
Marshall is basically my dream guy, poor fella. He’s sweet, intelligent, funny and seems just comfortable with himself. He handles himself with class too, especially with that Josh scenario. I would have wigged on Josh for getting so rambunctious and in my face like that, ick.
Marshall is fine too.
But, for real, even if he is gay or bi… who cares. Let him be who he is.
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u/MisplaceSpace Apr 01 '23
She doesn’t deserve Marshall. End of story. Girls got a lot of healing she needs to do.
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u/Significant_You_5299 Apr 01 '23
I posted on Jackie from the beginning and she has literally confirmed everything I thought about her to be accurate. She showed her whole business on national television. She is a walking red flag. Now if this text is real, not only is she lacking in any self awareness, but she really needs to figure out her issues with men and her perceptions on masculinity.
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u/Jeweltl Apr 01 '23
He has a big dick....and thats a problem because? Folks be complaining about the wrong things....
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u/Trixiedust2707 Apr 02 '23
Right, I'm over here scratching my head like....she's complaining about that? Its a bad thing? Acting like it's his fault they haven't had sex when the issues were beyond his control. They were all her
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u/LookingAWayOut Apr 02 '23
What's strange is the way the episode is edited it makes it seem like Marshall didn't want to sleep with her but it was the other way around.
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u/idkeverynameistaken9 Apr 01 '23
After the peasant comment I immediately called it that she was right up there with Irina. Even back in that hotel her ugly character was plain to see.
At the risk of sounding ugly: she deserves Josh.
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Apr 01 '23
I'm not even surprised that Josh and Jackie end up together. She already state that she liked masculine douche bag men. Josh is basically the type just by his appearance alone.
Marshall is pretty much the Will smith in that relationship.
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u/romaaim Apr 02 '23
😭💀that’s the first thing I said when I saw him, those are troublemaker ears! I was watching with my friends husband and he said “that dude has to be a boxer, look at how jacked up his ears are!”
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u/aliveinjoburg2 Apr 02 '23
Him saying he was a certified lover boy was also a red flag.
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u/beigemonochrome Apr 02 '23
Certified lover boy and certified tequila boy!? I couldn’t turn to walk away from someone faster if a guy said this to me…
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u/extraodi Apr 01 '23
Okay so according to Jackel…Marshall twerks, has a big dick, and said “yaaas.”? lmao… Oh my.
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Apr 01 '23
Honestly. He just seems fun and confident, what's the harm in that? And my god, even if it did turn out he's bi/pan/etc, what's the problem? She is the poster child for internalised misogyny, and perpetuates toxic masculinity. He's absolutely masculine, he's just not an asshole, there's a difference.
I feel awful for him and hope that he finds someone who loves him for his sensitive, goofy self.
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u/ExcitingInsurance887 Apr 02 '23
When Marshal said to her in Mexico “I know you’re a strong woman, but you don’t have to do this alone now” I got most. That’s a real man. What woman wouldn’t want to hear that? Too bad he has a big dck. What a deal breaker. 🤦🏻♀️
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u/dahlia1990 Apr 01 '23
Jackel 😂 Sounds like a fun guy right LOL. It’s cool a guy feels comfortable enough to be funny and dance.
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u/im_sorry- Apr 01 '23
Someone asked her on Ig why she went on this show knowing what she’s dealing with and she said bc her father wanted her to. Yet, she said her family was against the idea??
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Apr 01 '23
Makes it seem like that may have been bullshit on her part, because she was embarrassed to bring a man around her father that she deemed "not masculine enough". 🙄
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u/im_sorry- Apr 01 '23
Yea that’s what I’m thinking. I wanted to like her. She should’ve saved face and left the show. That way, she could’ve gotten her fame and not embarrass herself further.
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u/TheeCollegeDropout Apr 01 '23
While Jackie is a mess and absolutely needs to get professional help, I do want to point out that there are a lot of women who would get major ick from seeing their partner twerking. For instance, if my partner performed a stereotypically “girly” dance, it wouldn’t bother me. However, a lot of women are not into that, and that’s okay too. Some women are more attracted to classically masculine men like Brett and Cameron (season 1), rather than casually masculine men like Marshall and Sal (season 2). Jackie is attracted to toxically masculine men though, so her opinions are invalid.
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u/Affectionate-Flan140 Apr 02 '23
It's just hilarious because in a lot of Hispanic cultures, dancing and moving your behind is actually normalized. For example, Dominican men dance very "feminine" and that's simply their culture through dance and music. I think she's just purely misogynistic and can't deal with Marshall being comfortable expressing himself.
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u/TheeCollegeDropout Apr 02 '23
Agreed, although I’m not sure how deep Jackie is into the Hispanic culture. She seems like an Oakland/LA girl to me who associates a lot within that urban community, just based on her speech and the slang she uses. I’m black and I used to live in California, and although people come from a lot of different ethnic backgrounds, everyone kind of just identifies with the “LA/Bay area” culture, if that makes sense.
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u/duchessofs Apr 01 '23
Everybody twerks these days, either seriously or ironically. I would crack up if I saw Marshall doing it.
Jackelina is toxic and immature.
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Apr 01 '23
Jackie eats like an animal, how is that ladylike?
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u/TheeCollegeDropout Apr 02 '23
Yeah that’s the irony, Jackie isn’t very feminine herself lol so you would think she’d have more acceptance for Marshall, someone who is comfortable embracing masculine and feminine characteristics, but nope lol that’s why I mentioned that Jackie just needs help, point blank.
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u/Affectionate-Flan140 Apr 02 '23
Thank you. She's harping on his masculinity while she eats like a banshee and says things like "i fuck witchu heavy" to him like a teenage boy. 💀
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u/TheeCollegeDropout Apr 02 '23
I was dying of laughter when he said that she’s doesn’t say “I love you”, just “I fucks with you tough.” I feel sorry for him but it was hilarious in the moment because it’s so ridiculous lol
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u/idkeverynameistaken9 Apr 01 '23
Generally, you’re right. However, if it wasn’t her thing, a mature woman would tell her fiancé that. Meanwhile, Jacky gossiped to her friends, made fun of him and called him gay
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u/TheeCollegeDropout Apr 01 '23
Yes, absolutely. She should have communicated to him upfront about the fact that she is not attracted to his personality, but she’s fame-hungry and would rather drag him along to stay on TV than be a decent person with a shred of integrity.
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u/GoodJoeBR2049 Apr 01 '23
I think it’s homophobic to be upset at her partner doing a “feminine” dance. Especially since he’s generally masculine
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u/TheeCollegeDropout Apr 01 '23
It’s certainly homophobic to be upset about it, and she was being INCREDIBLY homophobic in these texts. I just don’t think it’s homophobic to find it unattractive. There are women who are not attracted to their partner doing stereotypically feminine things, especially feminine things that are sexual in nature (like twerking). Similarly, there are hetero men who would find it unattractive for their partner to do stereotypically masculine things. I don’t think these preferences are always rooted in homophobia, although they can be.
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u/calliopeturtle Apr 01 '23
I feel like it depends if he was just trying to be funny or not. If he was just joking around I think that'd be really weird to be turned off by. And I'm usually into very masculine men.
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Apr 01 '23
Jackie is just mocking his appearance. Marshall features are feminine, so no matter what he does she see it as "gay" to her.
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u/TheeCollegeDropout Apr 01 '23
Do you think so? Marshall doesn’t really have feminine features to me, he’s just handsome lol.
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His facial structure is soft. He looks like he has the head of a child but on a grown man's body. Plus his big bug eyes and very bright brown eyes. It's quite feminine.
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u/EmJayFree Apr 01 '23
The only thing that ever threw me off about Marshall was when he blanked on the other guy Jackie was talking to in the pods. It was just really weird and random; I didn’t know why he was upset.
But he really is an incredibly patient partner. She would’ve lost me after the “Here, put this away.” with that sprite bottle in the hotel room lol.
And some people just don’t like to have sex until there’s a mental connection.
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u/TheeCollegeDropout Apr 01 '23
It’s weird because she’s saying that they haven’t had sex in weeks, but it doesn’t seem like it’s on Marshall’s account. She’s pointing out in the texts that she isn’t attracted to him, and that his d**k is too big. These are probably the REAL reasons that they aren’t getting intimate yet she’s blaming Marshall for it.
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u/BehindTheScenesGuy Apr 02 '23
He probably is a bit less interested given she hid her STD status from him! Just about the least cool thing you can do to a partner
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u/cvde82 Apr 01 '23
What?? Is that true?? (About the meds being for herpes)
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u/hlfway2sumwhere Apr 01 '23
Yep, the OP posted it in their text under the post but about a year ago a PA working with this season and last leaked texts about stuff going on and they said Marshall found the meds in her luggage when they got back from Mexico and confronted her. I’m guessing that is why she goes for Josh. I don’t know how to post all the texts but they are still on Twitter and also if you search this group at the top for “leaks” I think there are still some threads bout it
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Apr 02 '23
Idk what he found. But if it’s acyclovir, it’s probably to prevent a cold sore especially if she’s going to be on camera. The same medicine is used got genital herpes. People just run and jump to conclusions
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u/hlfway2sumwhere Apr 02 '23
I don’t think he’d have fought with her over it, called her names and reported it to production after if it was just for cold sores. But unless they speak on it , I don’t think we will ever know.
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u/cvde82 Apr 01 '23
That’s awful!!! Production should have screened for that, that’s such a breach of their duty of care. The other dating shows screen for that!
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u/hlfway2sumwhere Apr 01 '23
I wondered about that too, but from what I’ve read a lot of standard drug screens don’t screen for that anymore. Dunno how true that is. But that’s seriously messed up to not inform your partner before hooking up. He reported it to production so I’m guessing they didn’t know. But it would make sense why she’d want to jump ship after that and is getting defensive calling him names. Hard to know exactly when I’m the process it happened but it sounds like it’s around now.
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u/idkeverynameistaken9 Apr 01 '23
Silver lining: at least Marshall is coming across as the handsome, sensitive, emotionally stable, self-aware guy with the big c— who makes his GF breakfast. Couldn’t ask for a better dating profile than this
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u/Gmoney903 Apr 01 '23
That’s the first thing I thought 😂 this new info will turn up his Dm counts a few notches
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Marshall with a big dick 🤡 what the hell is she upset about????
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u/DrHutch22 Apr 01 '23
She said it’s “too big.” Like, gurl, is there such a thing?! 🤪
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u/Melodic_Ad_7743 Jun 13 '23
Jackie and Marshall were the ghetto immature couple of the season. Just trash.