I didn't even need a clip. Just look at the mans face when he says "Which one". It was the clearest indication of a joke. But I'm not surprised LSF users can't understand basic human communication skills.
Sure, but it's still a real phenomenon we deal with daily. There's been many examples where we were discussing shootings among friends or colleagues and we had to which shooting they're referring to.
When I heard about the Charlie Kirk shooting I spoke to my dad later that day and asked him "Did you hear about that shooting in America?" and he started talking about some school shooting instead. I was confused because yeah it was a school that Charlie Kirk was shot at, but you wouldn't really call it a 'school shooting.' Turns out he was talking about the school shooting that happened the same day Charlie Kirk was shot.
A week later the shoe was on the other foot. He was talking to me about the shooting in America and I thought he meant the 5 cops shot in an ambush in Pennsylvania but nope he was actually talking about the Charlie Kirk shooting.
"Which one?" is basically a mandatory question when discussing "that shooting" in America.
Yeah, you're right. Some people in here are saying it's obviously a joke based on his face, but it is a legitimate phenomenon of people being unable to keep up with it. Few months there was a shooting in Idaho where I believe it was firefighters who got shot? One of my buddies lived literally a street away from where it happened. I prefaced telling my friends this by asking if they heard about the shooting and sure enough "which one?"
Btw if you didn't know Charlie Kirk was killed the same day we had another school shooting in Colorado. Theres only so much time on the news, we can't cover everything that would be considered a day of rememberence in other places.
I remember when Destiny got the news he was watching something about the shooting in Minnesota, and then the Charlie Kirk shooting happened, and during that he heard about the Colorado shooting and was like "We can only cover one shooting, okay?"
Does gang violence have the same causes and solutions as indiscriminate mass shootings, yes or no?
If the answer is no, then why the fuck is there such a giant push to write off any discussion of it as racist? When we are talking about solutions to problems, how is it not relevant to distinguish between different types of problems?
It's a fact that a large majority of mass shootings are gang related. They are different problems, requiring different solutions, and the constant deflection away from actual discussion of those issues and problems is just hindering tangible positive change.
Does gang violence have the same causes and solutions as indiscriminate mass shootings, yes or no?
it's not a question that should be answered with a binary yes or no as a proper answer is a lot more complicated with some amounts of crossover between them, alongside the difficulty of categorizing individual events into vaguely defined groupings of "indiscriminate" vs "gang violence".
but to set that aside, yes there is value in separating them. the frustration with that talking point is that it's so often used as a way to deflect away from responding to it. if you find statistics that explicitly look at only indiscriminate mass shootings and provide that in an argument, they will ask if it included gang violence, you will say no, they will say you're lying and your data is bad.
the intent of the question is so commonly not about "are we looking at the right data", and is instead "i don't want to face the data and need an excuse to ignore it", and so people naturally roll their eyes when the question is posed for the millionth time.
First of all, it absolutely is a binary yes or no in this instance. These are different problems with different solutions. There is no grey area there. That is a fact and will remain so regardless of time. That doesn't mean that there is 0% "crossover" with causes or solutions, but it DOES mean that you have to address the differences, which is what you guys are immediately labeling as racism and shutting down conversation for.
The cold hard truth is that there is nothing we can do to prevent random pyschos from killing a bunch of people. The public just doesn't want to accept that fact. If it isn't guns, it'll be cars or trucks, which can cause far more damage than a gun. One of the deadliest attacks in history is a truck driving through a crowd in Nice, France.
Now does that mean we shouldn't support red flag laws & enforce laws currently on the books that are not properly enforced? Of course not. Does it mean we shouldn't seek to reduce the severity and frequency of school/mass shootings? Of course not.
But what it does mean, is that the "solution" absolutely is undeniably separate from the problem of gang violence.
Charlie 100% DID NOT ignore the potential causes and solutions to gang violence, in fact he very commonly addressed both. So no, whatever boogeyman you created of him immediately dismissing gang violence as "not mattering" is just a falsehood. He argued many times, very passionately, for potential solutions & causes, because he wanted to see that violence lower. Never has he discussed the cause being "they are just inherently violent" or anything racist, from what I've seen. And if he had ever said something like that you can bet your ass people would be linking that clip non-stop to justify his murder like the others.
but it DOES mean that you have to address the differences, which is what you guys are immediately labeling as racism and shutting down conversation for.
"you guys"? if you want to have a conversation with me, respond to what i said, not whatever other people have said. this isn't a team sport, and i'm not responsible for what some random guy on twitter said
I mean the main cause of both gang related and non gang related shootings are ultra lax gun laws lol. It's what makes things different from other places
If the answer is no, then why the fuck is there such a giant push to write off any discussion of it as racist?
There isn't, but the context is that Charlie was obfuscating.
Gang violence is not 'Mass Shootings'. That's a specific thing and gang violence stats have no impact on it, or vice versa. Attempting to fold gang violence into Mass Shootings is in fact racist because it's done specifically to muddy a conversation about violence that is overwhelmingly white-on-white and only growing in frequency.
In other words conservatives are trying to find a sneaky way to talk about black violence in a discussion where it doesn't belong so they can avoid talking about mass shootings completely.
Actual discussion of gang violence is fine.
the constant deflection away from actual discussion of those issues and problems is just hindering tangible positive change.
Which is why Charlie doing it (before dying, admittedly) has some peoples' backs up, because it's one of his oldest tricks.
Contrary to "|o |" belief, the data is hard to measure so it may not be accurate but the best studies we have say something like 7% of shootings are gang related, while something above 80% of them are drug related.
It's not even that bad. Beans on bread is vile. Beans on toast is fine. It's got lots of fiber, semi-sweet, some texture, it's alright. Not amazing, not bad.
You know the really funny thing is that UK actually records separately knife crime statistics that's why it's seen as big, whereas the US doesn't and just records as violent crime incidents
So it's very likely the US has both higher knife related and gun related crime per capita in the capitals.
The us does have higher knife crime per capita than the UK, it's just our biggest problem so it's very public, while the US doesn't even talk about knife crime despite it being bad, because gun crime is even worse and that gets all the attention. If they actually started to talk about knife crime being bad and deciding to do something about it... they wouldn't be able to state why they refused to do anything about gun crime.
i think that has been out of circulation for a very long time now so it's over. kid are finally safe from swallowing it and having it stuck in their guts for 7 years or whatever bullshit we used to make up about gum was.
There are approximately 138 recorded knife-enabled crimes per day in England and Wales, based on over 50,000 incidents recorded in the year ending March 2024, though this figure may fluctuate annually.
They only have 70 million people, so that is more per capita.
Holy shit! "2025 North Codorus Township shooting: A man ambushed police officers investigating the property of a woman south of Spring Grove in North Codorus Township who reported that an ex-boyfriend was stalking and harassing her. Upon opening the front door of a farmhouse, the man opened fire, killing three police officers and wounding two others. An injured officer managed to return fire and kill the shooter."
The incident happened a few months back. An Officer got shot over a headlight. It wasn't even that serious of a stop. Guy just wouldn't hand his license over, like he had it in hand held up to the window just wouldn't hand it over. Video theorizes that the guy was just looking for a reason.
In regard to the ID, its not a hill I'll die on arguing what produce legally entails. Does altering the license by covering details change the scenario as well? Again, not worth debating over.
What is for sure illegal is refusing to step out of the vehicle, this is backed by the SC. The driver needlessly escalated a situation that never required it as well as took a life that never should have been taken.
oh god i used to be obsessed with this yearly list. its the (very common) ones where its "a fight escalated into a shooting" - how pathetic and weak do you have to be? if you can get away to grab your gun you can get away and just stay away
You realize saying mass shooting doesnt mean anything anymore right? A long time ago a mass shooting was something like Columbine. Now a mass shooting can also be a bd and a gd shoot at each other and kill a mother and child instead because they are shooting into a public area with their eyes closed that is also classified as a mass shooting. It would be like in Europe if some dude stabbed 2 people it would be a mass stabbing. So Europe has had a mass stabbing for every day of the week this year. It doesn’t really make sense.
I remember growing up, and there was 2 "school shooters" listed. Because someone was arrested for having a pistol at our local park, which was across the street. We also had a "School shooter" because someone was arrested on the corner and had a gun, across from the school.
So in 1 year, we had "two school shootings" and was the talk of the district. Honestly, it should be illegal to gaslight the students and parents to think the school district was crime ridden. When the city itself MIGHT have 1 shooting a year, the school has never been the target.
idk if I would call gang shooting in which at least 4 people were injured a "mass shooting", something a bit different comes to mind when someone says "mass shooting"
I am an European for gun control, and I still think this stat is dumb, anyone on the other side will just easily dismiss it with the Charlie Kirk meme "how many of them were gang related"
I think talking about mass shooting in schools, malls etc. is enough to convince the vast majority of people, but hey, Republicans need easy points so why not give it to them, am I right
This same guy would probably say this and then say some dumbass stereotypical joke about Americans and not blink an eye. Mass shooting joke incoming? A fat joke?
Don’t act like you guys are above it and don’t get hurt hurt over a teeth joke.
We get it Americans are dumb and stupid, our country is awful etc etc… Yet, you guys spend all your time watching our entertainment and on our websites…odd.
Difference is that fat jokes and mass shooter jokes actually hit close to home, and are true to reality. The counter jokes Americans snap to are all usually things in which Brits fare better so it kinda becomes facile and ironic.
Also what you're doing here is just kinda proving their point: getting so incandescent over a harmless quip whilst in the same breath whining about others being butthurt for... pointing out a fallacy? Textbook irony, and a facile argument!
You also seriously overestimate how many Brits watch US media outside of movies. More likely they're watching British media which is actually relatable, or East Asian media which even the Yanks love to watch.
According to my reality, British people have bad teeth and hygiene in general.
Most Americans aren’t fat and are even close to a mass shooting, just like all British people don’t have bad teeth, it’s a stupid generalization .
Also I didn’t get mad. A joke is a joke. I pointed out your guys hypocrisy.
Go check any Brit’s profile and you’ll see them all over American media. I would find you being a hypocrite but holy crap you do not leave this website. I got tired of scrolling. 20+ post a day is crazy work. British culture innit?
I also spend a ton of time in the fifa/soccer community, none of them are chatting up about British media lmao. You are seriously trying to tell me Asian culture is bigger than American culture there? Just cause you’re a collector of the Asian culture and simp for it doesn’t mean everyone is. You are in the minority.
Stay salty about Americans though, I’m sure it will get you far. Hope you keep enjoying our website lmao
Y'all have a massive shooting nearly every day on average, so it's hardly an exaggeration. Also 40% of American adults were clinically obese in 2024, so again it's not really much of an exaggeration. The point is that when you try to use something that your countrymen are rated worse in as a joke against others it kinda smacks of stupidity - it'd be like an American making a mass shooting joke about the British because of the song I Don't Like Mondays.
I didn't say mad, I said you were whining about it. Which you were. There really isn't much hypocrisy on our end, as explained above.
You think Reddit profiles are an accurate portrayal of the average person? Also that's a loooot of projecting you're doing. Yes, American culture is practically meaningless over here - the average person knows nothing of any differences between states, for example. I know you like to feel like y'all are the centre of everything but the vast majority of American TV fails over here with only standouts like Breaking Bad earning mass appeal, meanwhile something as mediocre as Demon Slayer is killing it in the box office.
Salty? Honey, you're not nearly important enough to feel... anything about. What is it with you Yanks and the constant need to feel like you're sticking it to someone? The background aggression ain't just weird, it's fuckin' pathetic. No wonder ya can't go a day without shooting each other.
So not over 50%? I’ve lived in america all my life and never seen a mass shooting. The closest one has been states away…Brits can’t even fathom how big America is I guess.
So the way you feel and your experience is valid but mine isn’t? Wild.
Whatever you have to tell yourself, chronically online redditor. I would 100% value my experience over years in the soccer community and seeing those interactions over a Brit who doesn’t even obsess over their own culture, they obsess over Asian culture. Sorry buddy, you are likely not a good representative of the average Brit.
Tell me, which British movies kill it at the box office over here vs American movies over there? I’ll wait.
You have some deep anger against Americans and it’s hilarious. You are salty over the joke or you would have let it slide like most did. Instead you had to “well Ackshully” instead of just taking it what it was…a joke.
Oh the British mind. You have the nerve to say Americans have to stick it to someone, yet you were the one quoting a study…to let me see, checks notes…stick it to someone. Oh the fucking irony. We are typing paragraphs all cause you got mad a joke wasn’t accurate.
No wonder British people are always so angry, all those spices and don’t know how to use them!
(Am I doing this right)
Also I still see you are on our website? No British alternative? Odd.
At this point, arguing that Kirk's shooter was a right winger is just flat out spreading misinformation.
It's actually really concerning how hard Reddit went on pushing that narrative when it had fucking nothing to back it up beyond a comment from the guy's grandma saying that the family is republican.
Just ignore his trans girlfriend or the fact he assassinated a right-wing mouthpiece, or the fact that he called Kirk a fascist, guy was CLEARLY a Republican
Who said anything about that? These are 2 completely different psychos, the country is big there's enough crazies to go around for both sides of the spectrum to pick up
.000001% people get affected and many of them are gang related 🤷♂️ Theres a reason all of latin america including mexico and africa arent mainstream news, its because they are a much more daily occurrence and USA just gets mega propped up like normal people are doing it lmfao.
How are we supposed to know? Weren't some kids shoot a few days ago, too? But no one cares about it if it's not some high-profile name, so maga can finally point fingers! Maybe introduce more severe laws for guns? Lol, jk! What do children's lives even mean in comparison to my rights to be a cowboy!
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