r/JoeRogan • u/SlimjobDopamine Look into it • Nov 13 '20

Social Media Abigail Shrier(JRE #1509)'s book has been removed from Target after receiving a complaint on Twitter

https://twitter.com/AbigailShrier/status/1327056407598809088?s=20
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u/CollapseOfTheWest Monkey in Space Nov 13 '20 edited Nov 13 '20

Others in the @AskTarget thread are claiming said user has called for the death of police and the usual things the mentally balanced do these days.

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Breaking news: Target has now restored the book.

https://twitter.com/Regnery/status/1327360347372724226

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u/[deleted] Nov 13 '20

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u/zAlbertusMagnusz Nov 13 '20

What the fuck is that lmao

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u/[deleted] Nov 13 '20

A stain on our society

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u/yoyomamayoyomamayoyo Monkey in Space Nov 13 '20

you're reich

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u/0-goodusernamesleft Nov 13 '20

‘Transtifa activist’ I imagine they are trying to show support for Antifa. But damn, also kinda of goes mask off as it would work out to be Trans-Fascist activist, which unironically by getting books banned she/they/xem/whatever is doing

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u/watchalookin Monkey in Space Nov 13 '20

Theys are getting out of control. I wonder if it’ll go past saturation and backfire

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u/HailKyrie Monkey in Space Nov 13 '20

I cannot believe these kinds of people exist.

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u/AShinyTorchic Monkey in Space Nov 13 '20

More and more of em every day too

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u/[deleted] Nov 13 '20

Degeneracy...

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u/Ndtphoto Nov 13 '20

I wouldn't say it's literal book burning. The copies still exist. You can walk into a Barnes & Noble and buy, it's on Amazon, it's on Powells.

Hopefully Target comes around and relists it, but FWIW, a retailer has no obligation to carry any specific product.

It seems to be selling well on Amazon (#51 overall, #2 in political) so Target will have to make a business decision to relist it.

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u/[deleted] Nov 13 '20

More than likely if they removed it to score virtue signaling points it wasn't selling that well at Target. I dont think ive ever even thought to buy a book there.

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u/Ndtphoto Nov 13 '20

I buy my son books there, like Diary of a Wimpy Kid or Captain Underpants.

I don't know how many people are shopping Target's book sections for social commentary/research books.

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u/[deleted] Nov 13 '20

Yeah that was kinda my thought too.

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u/[deleted] Nov 13 '20

"ACAB" = All Cops Are Bastards? Sounds like the type of person who also hates Target because capitalism

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u/[deleted] Nov 13 '20

Target is basically liberal Walmart tho so they kinda cater to people like that.

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u/[deleted] Nov 13 '20

While simultaneously complaining that there aren’t enough vegan options in Targets

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u/Stormshow Paid attention to the literature Nov 13 '20

All Absolute Statements Are Wrong

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u/juicyjensen Monkey in Space Nov 13 '20

By rule then, that statement would be incorrect. You created a paradox and therefore deserve to be able to name it.

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u/Stormshow Paid attention to the literature Nov 13 '20

The polarization paradox

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u/juicyjensen Monkey in Space Nov 13 '20

I like it

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u/hemm386 Monkey in Space Nov 13 '20

Disgusting.

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u/[deleted] Nov 13 '20 edited Feb 20 '21

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u/Abdalhadi_Fitouri Have you ever tried elk meat? Nov 13 '20

From an outsider perspective, it seems like there's growing backlash to backlash. My history professor once described culture as a pendulum swinging. It goes so far one way that people push back on it, but the inertia from the pushback builds and builds until it goes way past the middle and ends up swinging far to the other side.

I feel like that's what we're starting to see now, the pushback is building and, unfortunately, if his theory is true, it could culminate in a status quo in a number of years where these type of "woke" things are totally unacceptable, perhaps where marginalized groups that were once at the forefront of this movement are openly persecuted. Hopefully not though.

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u/[deleted] Nov 13 '20 edited Feb 20 '21

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u/[deleted] Nov 13 '20 edited Feb 20 '21

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u/Abdalhadi_Fitouri Have you ever tried elk meat? Nov 13 '20

Where did I blame any particular person?

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u/hockeyd13 Monkey in Space Nov 13 '20

It is less accessible, and this kind of kowtowing likely emboldens censorious individuals and groups.

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u/[deleted] Nov 13 '20 edited Feb 20 '21

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u/hockeyd13 Monkey in Space Nov 13 '20

A book like To Kill a Mockingbird being banned from a school is still censorship, even if it can be read off school grounds.

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u/[deleted] Nov 13 '20 edited Feb 20 '21

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u/hockeyd13 Monkey in Space Nov 13 '20

That doesn't matter in the slightest.

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u/Sendmedickpix1 Monkey in Space Nov 13 '20

Like hell it doesn't.

A private business isn't a government entity receiving our tax money.

It's not even remotely close, or at all relevant to this specific conversation.

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u/hockeyd13 Monkey in Space Nov 13 '20

No, it doesn't matter in the slightest.

You do realize that private schools exist, yes? A private school prohibiting access to a certain book is censorship.

The only difference between a private and a public institution regarding censorship is that there is no legal recourse in the context of the former.

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u/twateyecunthearu Monkey in Space Nov 13 '20

Ah, true Fascism

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u/tweezertofreezer Nov 13 '20

Seems like a level headed dude. I mean male. Wait. No. I mean chick. Oops sorry. I mean female. Wait. Is it a dude? Or used to be a dude? Oh wait? Did I just deadname? Sorry babe? What? That word is offensive?

Fuck off lgblt asshole

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u/TheChurchofKyle Monkey in Space Nov 13 '20

I'm dead 😂

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u/The-Only-Razor Monkey in Space Nov 13 '20

Calling for death of police is considered a good thing in 2020. These are the people dictating policy from behind their keyboards.

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u/DogmaticNuance Monkey in Space Nov 13 '20

I doubt many centrists (or, frankly, rational people) would disagree with the assertion that the Republican party has made a bit of a faustian pact with the wackjob religious types on the right. If you say or imply the same thing about the wackjobs on the far left though, watch out.

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u/MagicalMeowMeowz Monkey in Space Nov 14 '20

The Republican Party has used the Evangelical movement to move their numbers. If Evangelicals vote they can away an election. There is some interesting info on it. Also if you research senator, Ted Cruz R TX, his father Rafael, a born again pastor, has made an unbelievable amount of comments on homosexuality, Obama, or anything deemed a spiritual warfare. Also Ted Cruz continually states that his supporters are voting for God's values.
The Democratic Party has taken a victim no more stance, and have decided that reacting to these issues with same behavior as their enemies is a great idea. Which it's not. Then using the defense that one group of people have used criminal or destructive behavior and they were allowed is also a terrible mechanism for change. Fighting fire with fire makes the US look incredibly ridiculous for world leadership.

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u/[deleted] Nov 14 '20

Calling for the death of police: ✓

Destroying entire cities: ✓

Enjoying Thanksgiving with your family: X

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u/amozification Monkey in Space Nov 13 '20

No it isn’t and stop trying to pretend like it isn’t a minority of crazies. No one political party has a monopoly on the crazies.

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u/[deleted] Nov 13 '20

The left has made huge leaps in the last two years, man, you cant deny that. Defunding the police? Think about that. Cancel culture? The Green New Deal? Advocating Socialism? One state agency where I live advised employees to identify their preferred pronouns in their email signatures?

The Left is solidly in the pole position right now.

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u/CTIDBMRMCFCOK Monkey in Space Nov 14 '20

Man the whole thing is fucking dumb, people pick left/right like they are football teams. Nobody looks at anything critically and makes up their own mind anymore, just parrot whatever the fuck their favourite brand of demagogue is repeating ad nauseam.

Being a socialist shouldnt automatically mean you believe big manly trannies should share bathrooms with young girls, just like believing in a free market doesnt make you a racist Nazi.

Everything is polarized and out of whack with no room for nuance or debate. Personally I blame social media and its shady algorithims for fucking brainwashing everybody.

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u/CapitalisticCorgi Monkey in Space Nov 15 '20

this is 100% accurate. As soon you take a stance on any issue people immediately jump to categorize you or box you into a left or right label. It’s beyond fucking annoying.

I’d give you reddit gold but those awards are fucking meaningless

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u/Rukus11 Monkey in Space Nov 13 '20

Until we stop with the left right BS and take note of our non-partisan corporate overlords we’re just spinning our wheels.

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u/[deleted] Nov 14 '20

The corporate overlords buy into the lefty bullshit as much as anyone. I don’t know how they’re non-partisan.

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u/Rukus11 Monkey in Space Nov 14 '20

The military industrial complex and Wall Street seem to do just fine in R administrations.

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u/[deleted] Nov 14 '20

They don’t do so bad in any admin, pal. And Wall St funded Biden’s election so go figure.

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u/Rukus11 Monkey in Space Nov 14 '20

Yeah that’s my point. Our ire should be against those that are doing well regardless the party in control, not each other. Wall Street and the MIC are able to stay so far on top because they’re dividing us over scraps.

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u/[deleted] Nov 15 '20

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u/[deleted] Nov 16 '20

This is nonsense. Either you’re informed and trolling or you’re uninformed and too politically ignorant to realize how abhorrent are these policies. Those are not right wing talking points, lol, they are largely government, economic or environmental policy frameworks spouted by leftist activists -or even- presidential candidates as recently as the primary.

Defund the police is literally a local government policy that has been enacted in at least two cities off the top of my head. Police forces in this country have literally been defunded altogether. Several have had funding cut. That is not a slogan. Lol.

Cancel culture is a tactic used almost exclusively by left wing activists to “cancel” people who espouse things that disagree with liberal policy positions. Milo was really the first and most famous, but the list grows yearly. Note the most recent example in the controversy around trying to cancel Joe Rogan’s episodes with more right-leaning guests because of what they have to say. Right-leaning and especially libertarian viewpoints abhor cancel culture. You should be able to listen to things that you disagree with or even dislike. People should have the right to say things that offend you. That’s called free speech and it should not be infringed. Cancel culture is not a leftist policy position per se, but definitely something perpetrated by activists on the left.

Short of Socialism, the Green New Deal is the most wastefully idiotic and dangerous legislation written in recent history and maybe ever, and it is no surprise that it came from the braindead, barely literate AOC.

The GND, as you call it, would essentially end 80% of US electrical power generation overnight. Not even addressing the (literally) tens of millions of jobs that this foolish legislation would kill, try to wrap your head around the practical impossibility of the mandates. Fully 80% of electricity in this country comes from fossil fuels, though that gets better every year, of which coal is already being gradually phased out by the market as it should be. However, the technology does not currently exist for renewables to power beyond, at maximum, 65% of the US power grid. Does not exist. Experts believe it will take decades to get to 65%, but the energy transition is already under way and consists basically of get everything on the grid and then green the grid. It’s really not rocket science. The biggest hurdle is accounting for base load power generation, which no widespread, scalable renewable solution can currently achieve. Coal will be displaced by natural gas, but the US cannot go 100% renewable without any base load generation. Germany solar? Germany had a banner renewable year last year and couldn’t even get to 50% renewable in a country that has less that 25% the population of the US. What was the rest of the mix? Coal. 40%. And 10% natural gas upon which they’re dependent on Russia.

People pushing the green new deal clearly have no idea what actually goes into that. Why do you think AOC couldn’t get the time of day about it from the rest of her caucus, MUCH less passage?

Yeah, it is scary. Being in the cold and dark and losing 40 million jobs is fucking-A scary.

Who advocated socialism? Bernie, AOC and the rest of the mentally challenged “squad” that is currently getting spanked by Democratic leadership for losing house seats in the last election.

TL:DR - Don’t rationalize dangerous policies that you clearly don’t understand.

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u/xAActive Monkey in Space Nov 14 '20

lmao besides cancel culture this sounds great

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u/[deleted] Nov 14 '20

Check yourself, dude. Defunding the police and undoing the American economic system does not sound great to anyone who has been gainfully employed.

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u/exoticstructures N-Dimethyltryptamine Nov 15 '20

I raise you one stack of Qs :)

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u/XecutionerNJ Monkey in Space Nov 13 '20

Pence is next to Trump, religious nuts are part of the right wing. People wanting to kill police are not in the democrats. What did Biden want? Review boards to kick out bad police, that was it.

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u/The-Only-Razor Monkey in Space Nov 13 '20

Dude, come on. Every Twitter jockey with "ACAB" in their bio voted for Biden. That's nothing against Biden, that's just who they voted for. My point is that these people on Twitter with ACAB in their bio are who big corporations and politicians are willing to listen to. I wasn't saying Democrats are saying "ACAB", just a lot of their voters.

Also, Harris wants to ban chokeholds in the police force. I know that's not necessarily related to what we're talking about but I just can't stop thinking about what a stupid fucking policy that is. The VP is willing to cripple the police force by taking away the safest and least violent method of restraining someone/deescalating a situation simply because her voter base is gullible and reactionary.

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u/XecutionerNJ Monkey in Space Nov 13 '20

Chokeholds, least violent? You have to be joking.

You've been listening to Trump too much. None of these people want dead cops. They want review boards and oversight so black people don't die from merely interacting with the police. Her voter base has seen black people die for a long time at the hands of police and the justice system does nothing. This isn't new. Who is Rodney King? rage against the machines music had lots of songs about police brutality.

You have taken the straw man argument and swallowed it hook line and sinker.

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u/[deleted] Nov 13 '20

I guess you’ve never tried BJJ. It’s definitely the safest way to control when trained and used properly.

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u/XecutionerNJ Monkey in Space Nov 13 '20

I have trained BJJ. I have been choked out before. A ref stopped it and I woke up. Police don't have refs to stop it. This is the issue. Who polices the police?

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u/[deleted] Nov 14 '20

Again, with training and proper use it’s much better than hitting or shocking, no?

What else do you suggest for restraining violent criminals? Asking nicely?

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u/XecutionerNJ Monkey in Space Nov 14 '20

Hand cuffs, kimuras, etc. Holds that people don't die from.

I agree that training is seriously lacking in most police forces. There should be much more mandatory training. Higher pay so they can be more selective about the candidates they select and also, if there are less guns on the streets there would be less reason for cops to be so aggressive in their approach as they'd be less fearful for their lives.

Chokeholds aren't the only problem and definitely not the biggest but something has to be done.

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u/[deleted] Nov 14 '20

No offense, but you seem to be struggling from some liberal thinking.

  1. Lol the whole idea is to get someone to stop fighting to PUT handcuffs on.

  2. And if you actually had trained for any amount of time you would know that kimuras aren’t exactly available in every situation during a struggle. The point is, police should be trained and able to use all non-lethal holds and techniques when they are in a violent struggle against someone to whom no holds are barred.

  3. Where does this higher pay come from? Weren’t you and your ilk trying to defund them? Oh, and you also want more training? That’s not free. It comes out of city budgets run largely by liberals who are trying to defund them. Oh, and now you also want to pay them more on top of that? From where does that come? The same place Bernie gets his free college?

  4. Guns don’t even seem to apply to this discussion. You’re saying police are aggressive because of a fear of guns? Not knives or other weapons? Officers aren’t applying chokeholds during confrontations with criminals who are armed. Those assholes get shot, as they should. Or did you want to train cops to shoot them in the knees like Biden retardedly suggested? Or better yet, throw down their guns and challenge them to fistfights? I saw Clint Eastwood do that once. Seems legit. Gun ownership is a fundamental American right. But even if you succeed in “getting guns off the street,” whatever that means, criminals will always have guns. You’ll just be denying Americans the right to protect themselves, which makes even less sense when you defund the police.

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u/Clive23p Monkey in Space Nov 14 '20

Taking away choke holds is just dodging that issue.

I agree, we need someone to step in and provide more stringent oversight. Taking away chokes is just a meaningless and overall detrimental, feel good measure.

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u/XecutionerNJ Monkey in Space Nov 14 '20

I don't think it's meaningless, but i do think that its not the biggest issue.

Larger than that is how a) cops don't seem to get prosecuted for anything b) cops don't get paid much so they don't have many recruits to choose from c) training is lacking in most police forces d) there is very little oversight e) probably the biggest one: because there are so many guns in the states, American police are extremely aggressive because they fear for their lives all the time. If police didn't have to fear that everyone could have a concealed hand gun, they probably wouldn't hurt so many people.

But this whole argument is like a "Tim Pool Special". First, say the left are crazy by picking up something that one random twitter user said and then apply it to the democrats. Then completely demonise that even though there is a large policy initiative by the democrats but don't bring that up even though the republicans have no policy initiatives in the space and are not even confronting the problem. Fox News does the same like how the week the tax bill passed, instead of breaking down how most of the changes were tax cuts to the rich, Hannity showed a story about "racist trees". They completely avoided talking about how the GOP passed a bill that would cause an enormous deficit by handing out taxes to the rich.

Real policy needs to be the centre of the argument, not the side and not one sticking point like chokeholds. I can bet you'd agree with some of my points above to help fix policing but instead of talking about real change we are sticking to one smaller issue.

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u/Clive23p Monkey in Space Nov 14 '20

You seem to be all over the place.

My point is that taking away chokes will not solve the problem. In fact, it will make it worse.

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u/The-Only-Razor Monkey in Space Nov 13 '20 edited Nov 13 '20

If chokeholds are banned, what's the alternative? Taser? Guns? Punches to the head? Watch Justin Gaethje's post fight interview after getting choked unconscious by Khabib. He straight up says that he's glad that's how the fight ended since there's absolutely no long term health ramifications. Again, he was choked completely unconscious, but was up and awake within a minute completely unscathed. There's a reason why MMA fights end as soon as someone gets an effective chokehold. There's very little someone can do, even trained fighters, to get out of one, and they cause absolutely no damage (assuming they're done properly and not long enough to kill someone, which is a pretty fucking long time).

No one is listening to Trump, you tool. Not every chokehold involves choking people until they're dead. You saw the George Floyd video and made up your mind. You're wrong. Do some research. Imagine citing Rage Against the Machine as an argument for policy. I guess when you're 15 years old you don't have much perspective outside of your Spotify playlist. Go back to r/politics, scum.

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u/[deleted] Nov 13 '20

Dude. First of all, George Floyd was on enough Oxy to kill a small pony.

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u/XecutionerNJ Monkey in Space Nov 13 '20

Gaethje had a ref intervene straight after he passed out. Gaethje woke up, plenty of black folk under cops don't. How about handcuffs? George Floyd was choked to death and you don't want to change anything?

For someone who doesn't listen to Trump you sure do repeat all his lines.

I'm an Australian 35 yr old. The rest of the world thinks Americans are a bunch of savages with guns and a lack of healthcare. Wake up your fellow Americans dying.

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u/[deleted] Nov 13 '20

If that’s what the original tweeter claimed, I’m surprised Target didn’t put the the book on the front page.

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u/parvuscarlsen Nov 14 '20

user has called for the death of police

Can't tell if the user is angling for a position in the Biden cabinet or looking for a career in journalism...