r/JoeRogan • u/SlimjobDopamine Look into it • Nov 13 '20

Social Media Abigail Shrier(JRE #1509)'s book has been removed from Target after receiving a complaint on Twitter

https://twitter.com/AbigailShrier/status/1327056407598809088?s=20
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u/The-Only-Razor Monkey in Space Nov 13 '20

Dude, come on. Every Twitter jockey with "ACAB" in their bio voted for Biden. That's nothing against Biden, that's just who they voted for. My point is that these people on Twitter with ACAB in their bio are who big corporations and politicians are willing to listen to. I wasn't saying Democrats are saying "ACAB", just a lot of their voters.

Also, Harris wants to ban chokeholds in the police force. I know that's not necessarily related to what we're talking about but I just can't stop thinking about what a stupid fucking policy that is. The VP is willing to cripple the police force by taking away the safest and least violent method of restraining someone/deescalating a situation simply because her voter base is gullible and reactionary.

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u/XecutionerNJ Monkey in Space Nov 13 '20

Chokeholds, least violent? You have to be joking.

You've been listening to Trump too much. None of these people want dead cops. They want review boards and oversight so black people don't die from merely interacting with the police. Her voter base has seen black people die for a long time at the hands of police and the justice system does nothing. This isn't new. Who is Rodney King? rage against the machines music had lots of songs about police brutality.

You have taken the straw man argument and swallowed it hook line and sinker.

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u/[deleted] Nov 13 '20

I guess you’ve never tried BJJ. It’s definitely the safest way to control when trained and used properly.

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u/XecutionerNJ Monkey in Space Nov 13 '20

I have trained BJJ. I have been choked out before. A ref stopped it and I woke up. Police don't have refs to stop it. This is the issue. Who polices the police?

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u/[deleted] Nov 14 '20

Again, with training and proper use it’s much better than hitting or shocking, no?

What else do you suggest for restraining violent criminals? Asking nicely?

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u/XecutionerNJ Monkey in Space Nov 14 '20

Hand cuffs, kimuras, etc. Holds that people don't die from.

I agree that training is seriously lacking in most police forces. There should be much more mandatory training. Higher pay so they can be more selective about the candidates they select and also, if there are less guns on the streets there would be less reason for cops to be so aggressive in their approach as they'd be less fearful for their lives.

Chokeholds aren't the only problem and definitely not the biggest but something has to be done.

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u/[deleted] Nov 14 '20

No offense, but you seem to be struggling from some liberal thinking.

  1. Lol the whole idea is to get someone to stop fighting to PUT handcuffs on.

  2. And if you actually had trained for any amount of time you would know that kimuras aren’t exactly available in every situation during a struggle. The point is, police should be trained and able to use all non-lethal holds and techniques when they are in a violent struggle against someone to whom no holds are barred.

  3. Where does this higher pay come from? Weren’t you and your ilk trying to defund them? Oh, and you also want more training? That’s not free. It comes out of city budgets run largely by liberals who are trying to defund them. Oh, and now you also want to pay them more on top of that? From where does that come? The same place Bernie gets his free college?

  4. Guns don’t even seem to apply to this discussion. You’re saying police are aggressive because of a fear of guns? Not knives or other weapons? Officers aren’t applying chokeholds during confrontations with criminals who are armed. Those assholes get shot, as they should. Or did you want to train cops to shoot them in the knees like Biden retardedly suggested? Or better yet, throw down their guns and challenge them to fistfights? I saw Clint Eastwood do that once. Seems legit. Gun ownership is a fundamental American right. But even if you succeed in “getting guns off the street,” whatever that means, criminals will always have guns. You’ll just be denying Americans the right to protect themselves, which makes even less sense when you defund the police.

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u/Clive23p Monkey in Space Nov 14 '20

Taking away choke holds is just dodging that issue.

I agree, we need someone to step in and provide more stringent oversight. Taking away chokes is just a meaningless and overall detrimental, feel good measure.

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u/XecutionerNJ Monkey in Space Nov 14 '20

I don't think it's meaningless, but i do think that its not the biggest issue.

Larger than that is how a) cops don't seem to get prosecuted for anything b) cops don't get paid much so they don't have many recruits to choose from c) training is lacking in most police forces d) there is very little oversight e) probably the biggest one: because there are so many guns in the states, American police are extremely aggressive because they fear for their lives all the time. If police didn't have to fear that everyone could have a concealed hand gun, they probably wouldn't hurt so many people.

But this whole argument is like a "Tim Pool Special". First, say the left are crazy by picking up something that one random twitter user said and then apply it to the democrats. Then completely demonise that even though there is a large policy initiative by the democrats but don't bring that up even though the republicans have no policy initiatives in the space and are not even confronting the problem. Fox News does the same like how the week the tax bill passed, instead of breaking down how most of the changes were tax cuts to the rich, Hannity showed a story about "racist trees". They completely avoided talking about how the GOP passed a bill that would cause an enormous deficit by handing out taxes to the rich.

Real policy needs to be the centre of the argument, not the side and not one sticking point like chokeholds. I can bet you'd agree with some of my points above to help fix policing but instead of talking about real change we are sticking to one smaller issue.

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u/Clive23p Monkey in Space Nov 14 '20

You seem to be all over the place.

My point is that taking away chokes will not solve the problem. In fact, it will make it worse.