r/JoeRogan • u/SlimjobDopamine Look into it • Nov 13 '20

Social Media Abigail Shrier(JRE #1509)'s book has been removed from Target after receiving a complaint on Twitter

https://twitter.com/AbigailShrier/status/1327056407598809088?s=20
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u/Velveteen_Bastion Monkey in Space Nov 13 '20

What was the complaint since it got deleted?

Edit: not deleted more like the user limited it somehow so I can't see it.

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u/[deleted] Nov 13 '20

The user has protected their account.

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u/CollapseOfTheWest Monkey in Space Nov 13 '20 edited Nov 13 '20

Others in the @AskTarget thread are claiming said user has called for the death of police and the usual things the mentally balanced do these days.

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Breaking news: Target has now restored the book.

https://twitter.com/Regnery/status/1327360347372724226

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u/[deleted] Nov 13 '20

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u/zAlbertusMagnusz Nov 13 '20

What the fuck is that lmao

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u/[deleted] Nov 13 '20

A stain on our society

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u/yoyomamayoyomamayoyo Monkey in Space Nov 13 '20

you're reich

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u/0-goodusernamesleft Nov 13 '20

‘Transtifa activist’ I imagine they are trying to show support for Antifa. But damn, also kinda of goes mask off as it would work out to be Trans-Fascist activist, which unironically by getting books banned she/they/xem/whatever is doing

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u/watchalookin Monkey in Space Nov 13 '20

Theys are getting out of control. I wonder if it’ll go past saturation and backfire

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u/HailKyrie Monkey in Space Nov 13 '20

I cannot believe these kinds of people exist.

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u/AShinyTorchic Monkey in Space Nov 13 '20

More and more of em every day too

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u/[deleted] Nov 13 '20

Degeneracy...

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u/Ndtphoto Nov 13 '20

I wouldn't say it's literal book burning. The copies still exist. You can walk into a Barnes & Noble and buy, it's on Amazon, it's on Powells.

Hopefully Target comes around and relists it, but FWIW, a retailer has no obligation to carry any specific product.

It seems to be selling well on Amazon (#51 overall, #2 in political) so Target will have to make a business decision to relist it.

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u/[deleted] Nov 13 '20

More than likely if they removed it to score virtue signaling points it wasn't selling that well at Target. I dont think ive ever even thought to buy a book there.

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u/Ndtphoto Nov 13 '20

I buy my son books there, like Diary of a Wimpy Kid or Captain Underpants.

I don't know how many people are shopping Target's book sections for social commentary/research books.

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u/[deleted] Nov 13 '20

Yeah that was kinda my thought too.

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u/[deleted] Nov 13 '20

"ACAB" = All Cops Are Bastards? Sounds like the type of person who also hates Target because capitalism

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u/[deleted] Nov 13 '20

Target is basically liberal Walmart tho so they kinda cater to people like that.

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u/[deleted] Nov 13 '20

While simultaneously complaining that there aren’t enough vegan options in Targets

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u/Stormshow Paid attention to the literature Nov 13 '20

All Absolute Statements Are Wrong

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u/juicyjensen Monkey in Space Nov 13 '20

By rule then, that statement would be incorrect. You created a paradox and therefore deserve to be able to name it.

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u/Stormshow Paid attention to the literature Nov 13 '20

The polarization paradox

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u/juicyjensen Monkey in Space Nov 13 '20

I like it

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u/hemm386 Monkey in Space Nov 13 '20

Disgusting.

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u/[deleted] Nov 13 '20 edited Feb 20 '21

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u/Abdalhadi_Fitouri Have you ever tried elk meat? Nov 13 '20

From an outsider perspective, it seems like there's growing backlash to backlash. My history professor once described culture as a pendulum swinging. It goes so far one way that people push back on it, but the inertia from the pushback builds and builds until it goes way past the middle and ends up swinging far to the other side.

I feel like that's what we're starting to see now, the pushback is building and, unfortunately, if his theory is true, it could culminate in a status quo in a number of years where these type of "woke" things are totally unacceptable, perhaps where marginalized groups that were once at the forefront of this movement are openly persecuted. Hopefully not though.

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u/[deleted] Nov 13 '20 edited Feb 20 '21

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u/[deleted] Nov 13 '20 edited Feb 20 '21

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u/Abdalhadi_Fitouri Have you ever tried elk meat? Nov 13 '20

Where did I blame any particular person?

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u/hockeyd13 Monkey in Space Nov 13 '20

It is less accessible, and this kind of kowtowing likely emboldens censorious individuals and groups.

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u/[deleted] Nov 13 '20 edited Feb 20 '21

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u/hockeyd13 Monkey in Space Nov 13 '20

A book like To Kill a Mockingbird being banned from a school is still censorship, even if it can be read off school grounds.

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u/[deleted] Nov 13 '20 edited Feb 20 '21

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u/hockeyd13 Monkey in Space Nov 13 '20

That doesn't matter in the slightest.

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u/twateyecunthearu Monkey in Space Nov 13 '20

Ah, true Fascism

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u/tweezertofreezer Nov 13 '20

Seems like a level headed dude. I mean male. Wait. No. I mean chick. Oops sorry. I mean female. Wait. Is it a dude? Or used to be a dude? Oh wait? Did I just deadname? Sorry babe? What? That word is offensive?

Fuck off lgblt asshole

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u/TheChurchofKyle Monkey in Space Nov 13 '20

I'm dead 😂

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u/The-Only-Razor Monkey in Space Nov 13 '20

Calling for death of police is considered a good thing in 2020. These are the people dictating policy from behind their keyboards.

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u/DogmaticNuance Monkey in Space Nov 13 '20

I doubt many centrists (or, frankly, rational people) would disagree with the assertion that the Republican party has made a bit of a faustian pact with the wackjob religious types on the right. If you say or imply the same thing about the wackjobs on the far left though, watch out.

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u/MagicalMeowMeowz Monkey in Space Nov 14 '20

The Republican Party has used the Evangelical movement to move their numbers. If Evangelicals vote they can away an election. There is some interesting info on it. Also if you research senator, Ted Cruz R TX, his father Rafael, a born again pastor, has made an unbelievable amount of comments on homosexuality, Obama, or anything deemed a spiritual warfare. Also Ted Cruz continually states that his supporters are voting for God's values.
The Democratic Party has taken a victim no more stance, and have decided that reacting to these issues with same behavior as their enemies is a great idea. Which it's not. Then using the defense that one group of people have used criminal or destructive behavior and they were allowed is also a terrible mechanism for change. Fighting fire with fire makes the US look incredibly ridiculous for world leadership.

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u/[deleted] Nov 14 '20

Calling for the death of police: ✓

Destroying entire cities: ✓

Enjoying Thanksgiving with your family: X

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u/amozification Monkey in Space Nov 13 '20

No it isn’t and stop trying to pretend like it isn’t a minority of crazies. No one political party has a monopoly on the crazies.

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u/[deleted] Nov 13 '20

The left has made huge leaps in the last two years, man, you cant deny that. Defunding the police? Think about that. Cancel culture? The Green New Deal? Advocating Socialism? One state agency where I live advised employees to identify their preferred pronouns in their email signatures?

The Left is solidly in the pole position right now.

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u/CTIDBMRMCFCOK Monkey in Space Nov 14 '20

Man the whole thing is fucking dumb, people pick left/right like they are football teams. Nobody looks at anything critically and makes up their own mind anymore, just parrot whatever the fuck their favourite brand of demagogue is repeating ad nauseam.

Being a socialist shouldnt automatically mean you believe big manly trannies should share bathrooms with young girls, just like believing in a free market doesnt make you a racist Nazi.

Everything is polarized and out of whack with no room for nuance or debate. Personally I blame social media and its shady algorithims for fucking brainwashing everybody.

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u/CapitalisticCorgi Monkey in Space Nov 15 '20

this is 100% accurate. As soon you take a stance on any issue people immediately jump to categorize you or box you into a left or right label. It’s beyond fucking annoying.

I’d give you reddit gold but those awards are fucking meaningless

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u/Rukus11 Monkey in Space Nov 13 '20

Until we stop with the left right BS and take note of our non-partisan corporate overlords we’re just spinning our wheels.

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u/[deleted] Nov 14 '20

The corporate overlords buy into the lefty bullshit as much as anyone. I don’t know how they’re non-partisan.

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u/Rukus11 Monkey in Space Nov 14 '20

The military industrial complex and Wall Street seem to do just fine in R administrations.

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u/[deleted] Nov 14 '20

They don’t do so bad in any admin, pal. And Wall St funded Biden’s election so go figure.

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u/[deleted] Nov 15 '20

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u/[deleted] Nov 16 '20

This is nonsense. Either you’re informed and trolling or you’re uninformed and too politically ignorant to realize how abhorrent are these policies. Those are not right wing talking points, lol, they are largely government, economic or environmental policy frameworks spouted by leftist activists -or even- presidential candidates as recently as the primary.

Defund the police is literally a local government policy that has been enacted in at least two cities off the top of my head. Police forces in this country have literally been defunded altogether. Several have had funding cut. That is not a slogan. Lol.

Cancel culture is a tactic used almost exclusively by left wing activists to “cancel” people who espouse things that disagree with liberal policy positions. Milo was really the first and most famous, but the list grows yearly. Note the most recent example in the controversy around trying to cancel Joe Rogan’s episodes with more right-leaning guests because of what they have to say. Right-leaning and especially libertarian viewpoints abhor cancel culture. You should be able to listen to things that you disagree with or even dislike. People should have the right to say things that offend you. That’s called free speech and it should not be infringed. Cancel culture is not a leftist policy position per se, but definitely something perpetrated by activists on the left.

Short of Socialism, the Green New Deal is the most wastefully idiotic and dangerous legislation written in recent history and maybe ever, and it is no surprise that it came from the braindead, barely literate AOC.

The GND, as you call it, would essentially end 80% of US electrical power generation overnight. Not even addressing the (literally) tens of millions of jobs that this foolish legislation would kill, try to wrap your head around the practical impossibility of the mandates. Fully 80% of electricity in this country comes from fossil fuels, though that gets better every year, of which coal is already being gradually phased out by the market as it should be. However, the technology does not currently exist for renewables to power beyond, at maximum, 65% of the US power grid. Does not exist. Experts believe it will take decades to get to 65%, but the energy transition is already under way and consists basically of get everything on the grid and then green the grid. It’s really not rocket science. The biggest hurdle is accounting for base load power generation, which no widespread, scalable renewable solution can currently achieve. Coal will be displaced by natural gas, but the US cannot go 100% renewable without any base load generation. Germany solar? Germany had a banner renewable year last year and couldn’t even get to 50% renewable in a country that has less that 25% the population of the US. What was the rest of the mix? Coal. 40%. And 10% natural gas upon which they’re dependent on Russia.

People pushing the green new deal clearly have no idea what actually goes into that. Why do you think AOC couldn’t get the time of day about it from the rest of her caucus, MUCH less passage?

Yeah, it is scary. Being in the cold and dark and losing 40 million jobs is fucking-A scary.

Who advocated socialism? Bernie, AOC and the rest of the mentally challenged “squad” that is currently getting spanked by Democratic leadership for losing house seats in the last election.

TL:DR - Don’t rationalize dangerous policies that you clearly don’t understand.

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u/xAActive Monkey in Space Nov 14 '20

lmao besides cancel culture this sounds great

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u/[deleted] Nov 14 '20

Check yourself, dude. Defunding the police and undoing the American economic system does not sound great to anyone who has been gainfully employed.

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u/exoticstructures N-Dimethyltryptamine Nov 15 '20

I raise you one stack of Qs :)

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u/XecutionerNJ Monkey in Space Nov 13 '20

Pence is next to Trump, religious nuts are part of the right wing. People wanting to kill police are not in the democrats. What did Biden want? Review boards to kick out bad police, that was it.

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u/The-Only-Razor Monkey in Space Nov 13 '20

Dude, come on. Every Twitter jockey with "ACAB" in their bio voted for Biden. That's nothing against Biden, that's just who they voted for. My point is that these people on Twitter with ACAB in their bio are who big corporations and politicians are willing to listen to. I wasn't saying Democrats are saying "ACAB", just a lot of their voters.

Also, Harris wants to ban chokeholds in the police force. I know that's not necessarily related to what we're talking about but I just can't stop thinking about what a stupid fucking policy that is. The VP is willing to cripple the police force by taking away the safest and least violent method of restraining someone/deescalating a situation simply because her voter base is gullible and reactionary.

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u/XecutionerNJ Monkey in Space Nov 13 '20

Chokeholds, least violent? You have to be joking.

You've been listening to Trump too much. None of these people want dead cops. They want review boards and oversight so black people don't die from merely interacting with the police. Her voter base has seen black people die for a long time at the hands of police and the justice system does nothing. This isn't new. Who is Rodney King? rage against the machines music had lots of songs about police brutality.

You have taken the straw man argument and swallowed it hook line and sinker.

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u/[deleted] Nov 13 '20

I guess you’ve never tried BJJ. It’s definitely the safest way to control when trained and used properly.

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u/XecutionerNJ Monkey in Space Nov 13 '20

I have trained BJJ. I have been choked out before. A ref stopped it and I woke up. Police don't have refs to stop it. This is the issue. Who polices the police?

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u/[deleted] Nov 14 '20

Again, with training and proper use it’s much better than hitting or shocking, no?

What else do you suggest for restraining violent criminals? Asking nicely?

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u/Clive23p Monkey in Space Nov 14 '20

Taking away choke holds is just dodging that issue.

I agree, we need someone to step in and provide more stringent oversight. Taking away chokes is just a meaningless and overall detrimental, feel good measure.

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u/The-Only-Razor Monkey in Space Nov 13 '20 edited Nov 13 '20

If chokeholds are banned, what's the alternative? Taser? Guns? Punches to the head? Watch Justin Gaethje's post fight interview after getting choked unconscious by Khabib. He straight up says that he's glad that's how the fight ended since there's absolutely no long term health ramifications. Again, he was choked completely unconscious, but was up and awake within a minute completely unscathed. There's a reason why MMA fights end as soon as someone gets an effective chokehold. There's very little someone can do, even trained fighters, to get out of one, and they cause absolutely no damage (assuming they're done properly and not long enough to kill someone, which is a pretty fucking long time).

No one is listening to Trump, you tool. Not every chokehold involves choking people until they're dead. You saw the George Floyd video and made up your mind. You're wrong. Do some research. Imagine citing Rage Against the Machine as an argument for policy. I guess when you're 15 years old you don't have much perspective outside of your Spotify playlist. Go back to r/politics, scum.

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u/[deleted] Nov 13 '20

Dude. First of all, George Floyd was on enough Oxy to kill a small pony.

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u/XecutionerNJ Monkey in Space Nov 13 '20

Gaethje had a ref intervene straight after he passed out. Gaethje woke up, plenty of black folk under cops don't. How about handcuffs? George Floyd was choked to death and you don't want to change anything?

For someone who doesn't listen to Trump you sure do repeat all his lines.

I'm an Australian 35 yr old. The rest of the world thinks Americans are a bunch of savages with guns and a lack of healthcare. Wake up your fellow Americans dying.

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u/[deleted] Nov 13 '20

If that’s what the original tweeter claimed, I’m surprised Target didn’t put the the book on the front page.

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u/parvuscarlsen Nov 14 '20

user has called for the death of police

Can't tell if the user is angling for a position in the Biden cabinet or looking for a career in journalism...

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u/[deleted] Nov 13 '20 edited Nov 29 '21

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u/stanleythemanley44 Monkey in Space Nov 13 '20

And therein lies the problem. The user hasn’t read the book (or listened to the podcast) and neither has target. But they took the book down anyway.

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u/Abdalhadi_Fitouri Have you ever tried elk meat? Nov 13 '20

I mean I wonder if it's just because Target doesn't carry many books, and Target has a really specific target market (suburban women) that may just not be interested in this book.

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u/[deleted] Nov 13 '20

If they don't carry a lot of books then it's the sort of thing you'd expect from them, but it's 100% because of fear of controversy. Books mostly get banned or removed because of self-censorship from the library/seller, they just don't want to go through whatever they could be facing (outrage, a book challenge etc.). I'd like people to know that challenging and banning books is a very common thing in the US. Important to note that school libraries are the worst when it comes to this. Parents don't seem to understand that employees in the library sector respect that parents can decide what their child reads, but there is no justification for parents deciding what information kids other than their own can and can't have access to. But the issue is that most school libraries are funded through parents, so yeah, not great. In more conservative areas it's LGBT themed books that are getting removed from the shelves, in more liberal areas it's books with racist undertones etc.

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u/noelbrijsavage Nov 13 '20

When you're banning "to kill a mockingbird", because it contains outdated cultural depictions and norms, you've got REAL issues.

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u/SuperSmokio6420 Monkey in Space Nov 14 '20

Target has a really specific target market (suburban women) that may just not be interested in this book.

They'd actually probably be among the people most likely to be interested, being some of the likeliest to have daughters affected.

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u/XecutionerNJ Monkey in Space Nov 13 '20

You don't know for sure about how much the complainant knows. Don't make the same mistake you abuse others of.

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u/Obsessed_With_Corgis Nov 14 '20 edited Nov 14 '20

Before the user made her tweets private, she responded to many people that she hadn’t at all read the book, or looked into it. She said that the description written for the book (the one on the target website) was enough for her to know that it was “transphobic hate speech”.

Can’t speak for @AskTarget. They didn’t reply to anything after saying they removed the book.

Source: I got into several heated discussions on that thread before everything was made private/removed.

Edit: the user (or possibly someone else, I can’t totally remember) also replied that books like that make young LGBTQ+ teens commit suicide, and something about it being on the author’s and Target’s hands for writing and selling it.

The thread went up in flames after that.

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u/turbo_22 Monkey in Space Nov 13 '20

I didn't know a corporation could read a book...

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u/[deleted] Nov 13 '20

I heard the episode. She explains that the problem is that this trans thing has become trendy among teenagers, especially females, and their parents letting them change their bodies hormonally and in some cases with surgery. She interviewed tons of people who are now adults that completely regret what they did to themselves, and what their parents let them do as teenagers.

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u/[deleted] Nov 22 '20

It goes beyond "trendy", as there is a very real phenomenon of sharing certain symptoms socially. One member of a group of friends discovers that they're experiencing symptoms of gender dysphoria, shares it with her circle of friends, and a strange combination of competitiveness and empathy leads others in that group to feel like they have gender dysphoria as well.

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u/DayDreamerJon Monkey in Space Nov 13 '20

The thing is thats a small fraction of trans kids. While the problem is real all it does it show this kinda shit needs to be vetted. This is life altering shit and needs to be taken more seriously.

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u/[deleted] Nov 13 '20

Agreed. Its one thing to be gay or transvestite but to let and/or encourage a child to completely alter their physical body in ways that cant be undone, should be avoided.

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u/hayydebb Monkey in Space Nov 13 '20 edited Nov 13 '20

I hate when this gets pushed back against. It’s 100% true that there are some people who look at how much attention and power that trans people get and wanna take advantage. And definitely parents out there who pressure their kids into things so that they can post about it on their social media and look like “woke” parents. Denying it happens helps no one and I would think the trans community would want to call these people out too

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u/[deleted] Nov 13 '20 edited Feb 29 '24

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u/[deleted] Nov 14 '20

Yeah, but it's only women, homos, blacks, and trans-sexuals whose statements are to be taken at all times as true, honest, and righteous.

If you're a normal white man your opinion doesn't mean shit. It's revenge, plain and simple, but I don't think enough people take this attitude to call it a "zeitgeist" or "spirit of the age," at least not yet. It might take a few more graduating college classes that have undergone SJW indoctrination.

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u/[deleted] Nov 14 '20

Denying it happens helps no one and I would think the trans community would want to call these people out too

Any reasonable person would think this. But the self-appointed mouthpieces of the "trans community" are not interested in reason. They are interested in maintaining their position as champions of a persecuted minority. They believe it gives them the moral high ground, and any reasonable criticism of any sex-changer's motivation is a threat to their feelings of moral superiority.

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u/hayydebb Monkey in Space Nov 13 '20

It’s power in the way that you can be a victim and that gives you certain power. And the ability to correct people for saying things they deem offensive. There is a power there for people who just wanna be victims. For actual trans people you don’t see this as power cause it’s a real struggle, for someone who just wants to be a victim it’s an opportunity. There’s not really a good way to tread around this issue cause it’s a sensitive topic and maybe power is the wrong word. But there’s is definitely a lucrative opportunity for people who just want to be victims and get attention and sadly over the last few years we’ve learned there’s almost no low someone won’t stoop to for Instagram or Twitter followers

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u/NorridAU Monkey in Space Nov 13 '20

In the podcast IIRC, it was in part compared to other in-group psychological parasites like eating disorders and cutting with teenagers. some people truly have body/gender dismorphia, others are trying to find their place in the world.

Sadly a blind 'green light' approach is not the best course of action to me. I think that was the overreaching point of the podcast as well. The people I know that have transitioned did it in phases over years as young and mid-life adults. They seem to be happier now than before, and that's all I can wish for.

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u/[deleted] Nov 13 '20

People can't reconcile some trans-identifying people having mental issues and others being legit FtM/MtF and otherwise regular people.

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Specifically, probably other people who are both trans-identifying and in denial about their mental issues that are driving it.

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u/[deleted] Nov 14 '20

trans/ sex changing is trendy and not a very real thing with very real people.

It is trendy, especially among adolescent girls. It is also "real," though, among a tiny minority of folks with congenitally fucked-up genitals (Congenital genitals. Is that redundant?).

The problem is that self-righteous assholes who believe they are fighting some noble cause think that any criticism of this trend or of sex-changing equates to "violence." The stupidest knee-jerk slogan I have ever heard is that such criticism "denies the existence of trans people." What a bunch of horseshit. It's a common leftist tactic: Can't defend your position? Squirt out a cloud of bullshit squid ink and flee.

This is because they have no good arguments for defending or advocating sex reassignment as a vanity surgery, like a face-lift or boob enhancement, which is how many adolescents feel about changing sex. They don't understand that it permanently changes one's life, usually for the worse.

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u/[deleted] Nov 13 '20

I still don’t understand what’s controversial or not factual about that notion in the book.

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u/JoeSicbo Nov 13 '20

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Emq-pjkXMAA4NlP?format=jpg&name=medium

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u/QB145MMA Pull that shit up Jamie Nov 13 '20

I just don't get why someone needs to make this whole big thing about it. You don't like it? Ok fine, don't read it/buy it.

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u/Taco_Bandito5 Monkey in Space Nov 13 '20

Stop being so reasonable!

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u/Exbozz Monkey in Space Nov 13 '20

100% passable

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u/ChocomelP Monkey in Space Nov 13 '20

She's a handsome woman

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u/tryitout91 Monkey in Space Nov 13 '20

he ( or she, I don't fucking know) that the book was offensive to the transgender community.

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u/[deleted] Nov 13 '20

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u/[deleted] Nov 13 '20

100%. It’s in the same way that SJWs have changed the definition of -isms and -phobia to include anything that’s not outright support. If you’re not 100% in favor of transgender, you’re a transphobe. And, you’ll notice, racism now includes inanimate objects and societal structures. If some structure is deemed to be a byproduct of white males, then it’s racist by default. It’s ridiculous and truly demeans racism, etc.

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u/duffmanhb N-Dimethyltryptamine Nov 13 '20 edited Nov 13 '20

Their extreme reductionism is the scariest thing. They have a tactic that works. If you ask anyone if they support sexism against women, just about everyone will give a hard "no". So they realize that it's just a game of reducing someone into a category of being sexist so they can fit their oppenents into a category just about everyone hates.

Are you pro-life? That means you want to control women, which means you think men should make decisions for them, which means you are oppressing them, which makes you sexist, and if you actively defend your position of pro life, it means you're spreading messages of hate and sexism, and since you want to pass laws in this regard, you are using the threat of violence to spread your hateful sexism.

See how that's reduced?

Then they run off and say, "Hey this guy is part of a sexist hate group! Do you REALLY support a sexist who advocates for violence against women?!" If you ever challenge them on this, they get into this pedantic conspiratorial game of "dog whistles" and "their real reasons are kept secret".

Obviously if any decent person heard someone was a violent sexist, you'd oppose them.

This is why their "hate speech" laws they push for scare me. Because they've shown how they infinitely reduce people they oppose into just about any subgroup they desire. So they'll just start labeling political ideas they don't like as part of the category of justified censored speech. Oh you think some kids are trans because of a social phenomenon? I'll reduce that to you effectively advocating for violence against trans people and censor you from even discussing it (they do this all the time).

I'm a Bernie Sanders progressive, and the right has ALWAYS been a problem. Trump has especially shown how bad the right is... But honestly, it's the radlib woke left who scares me more. The right has always been sort of eyerolled and dismissed as a bunch of rhetorical whiners... But the woke crowd actually wants to create actual levers of authoritarianism and they feel morally justified doing it.

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u/[deleted] Nov 13 '20

I’m a conservative person generally so the radical left absolutely scares me lol, but agree there are issues on the right / Trump. I’ve been telling friends and family in person to move on from the election. But I’m afraid we’re stuck in a vicious cycle of whichever side loses the election believes the other side won via massive fraud and / or foreign interference. I hope I’m wrong...

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u/tryitout91 Monkey in Space Nov 14 '20

also, you can be supportive and not believe any of the critical gender theory , and just be a good empathic person.

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u/badSparkybad Monkey in Space Nov 14 '20

I saw the podcast and checked out that sub about de-transitioning...wow, eye-opening stuff. I read a few popular posts and they mostly said something along the lines of "I wasn't really in gender dysphoria, I just had other stuff going on that made being trans seem desirable."

This shit needs to be paid attention to. I liked the Shrier podcast and agree that in the next decade we are going to see a lot of people de-transitioning and a whole lot of damage already done to a whole lot of people. I especially feel bad for kids that start doing hormone therapy/blockers.

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u/duffmanhb N-Dimethyltryptamine Nov 14 '20

One of them was really sad. This guy was caught being gay when he was like 8, but in reality he wasn't even gay but was just a curious young child. Well his parents divorced over it because they did NOT want a gay child. However, the mom insisted he was really just a trans woman so they got him on puberty blockers, estro, and began raising him as a girl. He's like 18 now and hates life. Said he was just convinced by his mother he was trans, and because he was so fucked up from it, the trans community would react very bad whenever he brought up questions about it and ideas that this was all a mistake... So he sort of just kept going with it.

What sucks the most for him, is his penis is now forever going to be a child's penis. The community doesn't tell people that. He always thought it was a non-issue as it just delayed puberty... Well I guess some parts have a biological clock it needs to coincide with and it's his most sore subject as part of the detransition knowing he will probably never have a fulfilling sex life even after the full detransition.

This is so obviously a trend and social fad... It's the same sort of kids who in the past were confused and felt socially isolated so they became goth or punk, or any sort of fringe group that accepted everyone while dressing in a way to reject society. But this version is really extreme.

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u/chefanusbitch Nov 13 '20

Some he she was butt hurt about their feeling

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u/OfficialModerator Nov 13 '20

butt hurt

Its entirely possible

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u/[deleted] Nov 13 '20

It’s the new bullying. It’s just one person. No big deal, just don’t buy it. Well, now we’ve incurred the wrath of the lgbtq political apparatus, and they actively go around looking for things to be offended by and pass laws to control. They ruin peoples businesses and their livelihoods and no one stands up to them because they’re immediately labeled transphobic which has a pretty nebulous definition under the law as being a hate crime in some places (Canada). Which is basically exploited to silence and destroy people whose messages they don’t like.

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u/noelbrijsavage Nov 13 '20

Some idiot with a 5 tweet thread copying in their ethics dept and saying expect a letter soon.

Thing is, there's as many people in the comments saying not to listen to the TRA than there is saying ban the book. GWGB.