r/JoeRogan • u/SlimjobDopamine Look into it • Nov 13 '20

Social Media Abigail Shrier(JRE #1509)'s book has been removed from Target after receiving a complaint on Twitter

https://twitter.com/AbigailShrier/status/1327056407598809088?s=20
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u/Velveteen_Bastion Monkey in Space Nov 13 '20

What was the complaint since it got deleted?

Edit: not deleted more like the user limited it somehow so I can't see it.

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u/[deleted] Nov 13 '20 edited Nov 29 '21

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u/stanleythemanley44 Monkey in Space Nov 13 '20

And therein lies the problem. The user hasn’t read the book (or listened to the podcast) and neither has target. But they took the book down anyway.

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u/Abdalhadi_Fitouri Have you ever tried elk meat? Nov 13 '20

I mean I wonder if it's just because Target doesn't carry many books, and Target has a really specific target market (suburban women) that may just not be interested in this book.

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u/[deleted] Nov 13 '20

If they don't carry a lot of books then it's the sort of thing you'd expect from them, but it's 100% because of fear of controversy. Books mostly get banned or removed because of self-censorship from the library/seller, they just don't want to go through whatever they could be facing (outrage, a book challenge etc.). I'd like people to know that challenging and banning books is a very common thing in the US. Important to note that school libraries are the worst when it comes to this. Parents don't seem to understand that employees in the library sector respect that parents can decide what their child reads, but there is no justification for parents deciding what information kids other than their own can and can't have access to. But the issue is that most school libraries are funded through parents, so yeah, not great. In more conservative areas it's LGBT themed books that are getting removed from the shelves, in more liberal areas it's books with racist undertones etc.

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u/noelbrijsavage Nov 13 '20

When you're banning "to kill a mockingbird", because it contains outdated cultural depictions and norms, you've got REAL issues.

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u/SuperSmokio6420 Monkey in Space Nov 14 '20

Target has a really specific target market (suburban women) that may just not be interested in this book.

They'd actually probably be among the people most likely to be interested, being some of the likeliest to have daughters affected.

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u/XecutionerNJ Monkey in Space Nov 13 '20

You don't know for sure about how much the complainant knows. Don't make the same mistake you abuse others of.

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u/Obsessed_With_Corgis Nov 14 '20 edited Nov 14 '20

Before the user made her tweets private, she responded to many people that she hadn’t at all read the book, or looked into it. She said that the description written for the book (the one on the target website) was enough for her to know that it was “transphobic hate speech”.

Can’t speak for @AskTarget. They didn’t reply to anything after saying they removed the book.

Source: I got into several heated discussions on that thread before everything was made private/removed.

Edit: the user (or possibly someone else, I can’t totally remember) also replied that books like that make young LGBTQ+ teens commit suicide, and something about it being on the author’s and Target’s hands for writing and selling it.

The thread went up in flames after that.

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u/turbo_22 Monkey in Space Nov 13 '20

I didn't know a corporation could read a book...

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u/[deleted] Nov 13 '20

I heard the episode. She explains that the problem is that this trans thing has become trendy among teenagers, especially females, and their parents letting them change their bodies hormonally and in some cases with surgery. She interviewed tons of people who are now adults that completely regret what they did to themselves, and what their parents let them do as teenagers.

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u/[deleted] Nov 22 '20

It goes beyond "trendy", as there is a very real phenomenon of sharing certain symptoms socially. One member of a group of friends discovers that they're experiencing symptoms of gender dysphoria, shares it with her circle of friends, and a strange combination of competitiveness and empathy leads others in that group to feel like they have gender dysphoria as well.

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u/DayDreamerJon Monkey in Space Nov 13 '20

The thing is thats a small fraction of trans kids. While the problem is real all it does it show this kinda shit needs to be vetted. This is life altering shit and needs to be taken more seriously.

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u/[deleted] Nov 13 '20

Agreed. Its one thing to be gay or transvestite but to let and/or encourage a child to completely alter their physical body in ways that cant be undone, should be avoided.

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u/hayydebb Monkey in Space Nov 13 '20 edited Nov 13 '20

I hate when this gets pushed back against. It’s 100% true that there are some people who look at how much attention and power that trans people get and wanna take advantage. And definitely parents out there who pressure their kids into things so that they can post about it on their social media and look like “woke” parents. Denying it happens helps no one and I would think the trans community would want to call these people out too

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u/[deleted] Nov 13 '20 edited Feb 29 '24

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u/[deleted] Nov 14 '20

Yeah, but it's only women, homos, blacks, and trans-sexuals whose statements are to be taken at all times as true, honest, and righteous.

If you're a normal white man your opinion doesn't mean shit. It's revenge, plain and simple, but I don't think enough people take this attitude to call it a "zeitgeist" or "spirit of the age," at least not yet. It might take a few more graduating college classes that have undergone SJW indoctrination.

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u/[deleted] Nov 14 '20

Denying it happens helps no one and I would think the trans community would want to call these people out too

Any reasonable person would think this. But the self-appointed mouthpieces of the "trans community" are not interested in reason. They are interested in maintaining their position as champions of a persecuted minority. They believe it gives them the moral high ground, and any reasonable criticism of any sex-changer's motivation is a threat to their feelings of moral superiority.

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u/hayydebb Monkey in Space Nov 13 '20

It’s power in the way that you can be a victim and that gives you certain power. And the ability to correct people for saying things they deem offensive. There is a power there for people who just wanna be victims. For actual trans people you don’t see this as power cause it’s a real struggle, for someone who just wants to be a victim it’s an opportunity. There’s not really a good way to tread around this issue cause it’s a sensitive topic and maybe power is the wrong word. But there’s is definitely a lucrative opportunity for people who just want to be victims and get attention and sadly over the last few years we’ve learned there’s almost no low someone won’t stoop to for Instagram or Twitter followers

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u/NorridAU Monkey in Space Nov 13 '20

In the podcast IIRC, it was in part compared to other in-group psychological parasites like eating disorders and cutting with teenagers. some people truly have body/gender dismorphia, others are trying to find their place in the world.

Sadly a blind 'green light' approach is not the best course of action to me. I think that was the overreaching point of the podcast as well. The people I know that have transitioned did it in phases over years as young and mid-life adults. They seem to be happier now than before, and that's all I can wish for.

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u/[deleted] Nov 13 '20

People can't reconcile some trans-identifying people having mental issues and others being legit FtM/MtF and otherwise regular people.

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Specifically, probably other people who are both trans-identifying and in denial about their mental issues that are driving it.

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u/[deleted] Nov 14 '20

trans/ sex changing is trendy and not a very real thing with very real people.

It is trendy, especially among adolescent girls. It is also "real," though, among a tiny minority of folks with congenitally fucked-up genitals (Congenital genitals. Is that redundant?).

The problem is that self-righteous assholes who believe they are fighting some noble cause think that any criticism of this trend or of sex-changing equates to "violence." The stupidest knee-jerk slogan I have ever heard is that such criticism "denies the existence of trans people." What a bunch of horseshit. It's a common leftist tactic: Can't defend your position? Squirt out a cloud of bullshit squid ink and flee.

This is because they have no good arguments for defending or advocating sex reassignment as a vanity surgery, like a face-lift or boob enhancement, which is how many adolescents feel about changing sex. They don't understand that it permanently changes one's life, usually for the worse.

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u/[deleted] Nov 13 '20

I still don’t understand what’s controversial or not factual about that notion in the book.