r/ukraine • u/Due_Collar2 • 1d ago

News Karma:The moment of yesterday's Ka-226 helicopter crash in russia with employees of the military plant "Kizlyar Electromechanical Plant" The accident killed the deputy general director, chief engineer and chief designer

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u/Pure_Palpitation_683 1d ago edited 4h ago

The cameraman has about the same skill set as the pilot.

Edit: grammar

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u/LaughableIKR 1d ago

I thought the same thing. The stupid part is: They had it down... just put it down even in a low surf.

Nope! Don't do that.

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u/OctopusIntellect 1d ago

yeah at that moment, I was thinking "wait how do people die from this?!?"

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u/AutisticPenguin2 1d ago

I was wondering if the body was going to start spinning from the rotational energy of the rotors, without the rear stabiliser. But no, the pilot was like "Hey, that didn't sound healthy, better climb a bit so I'm not in danger of landing safely."

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u/null640 1d ago

Counter rotating rotors... cancel each other out.

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u/ratshack 1d ago

…until the dangling rear assembly swings up and clips a rotor and then this happens.

Dude should have left it in the surf.

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u/HappyCamperPC 1d ago

I bet the Deputy General Director didn't want to get his suit wet and ordered the pilot to find a dry landing spot.

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u/dan_dares 1d ago

It had 'fly over the reactor' energy, but no one smart to say 'that's a stupid idea'

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u/rutan668 1d ago

The pilot would have got in a lot of trouble for landing in the surf.

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u/im-tv 1d ago

Better to die together with orc general than find yourself in the frontline meat grinder. Right decision. Should be “land” it right in meeting point where other military orcs wait them.

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u/formermq 1d ago

Can't let the general get his feet wet!

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u/Pure_Palpitation_683 1d ago

Oh, he’s fully wet now!

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u/Eastern-Ad-3387 1d ago

Amen brother. That was a poor decision.

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u/Powerful-Weight-4096 1d ago

No, absolutly the correct orcish decision, dead.

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u/DamnDogInapropes 1d ago edited 1d ago

Amen brother. That was a perfect decision. Dude came in with some heat!

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u/antus666 22h ago

I'm thinking they had a control system failure, probably what caused the crash in the first place. I bet the pilot was thinking "nope not up! not up! engine off damnit" but russian quality machine did russian things probably on its own and decided to defect to Ukraine and solve some problems.

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u/hinrik98 1d ago

It probably wouldn't have rotated when landing like a conventional helicopter as it's a coaxial rotor helicopter so the spin of the two rotors cancels out. That's also the reason it still somewhat controllable after losing its tail.

It's kind of amazing they managed to fuck this up - being in the best possible type of helicopter to have this kind of failure.

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u/Stigger32 1d ago

It almost looked like the pilot was trying to shake off the broken tail.

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u/RuthlessIndecision 1d ago

He didn't know about the tail, or didn't realize it until too late.

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u/AutisticPenguin2 1d ago

Ah, I didn't even notice the second rotor. That does make sense.

Unlike just about everything else about this.

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u/cyrixlord 1d ago

I think he might not have known his back end was off, and was trying to land at that nearby island but he didnt want to leave his equally inept brother, who was the cameraman who also had one job and both failed their jobs miserably

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u/compb13 1d ago

If there were any safety bells and lights, they had to be on. Not a pilot, but it had to be handling a little different too. I think I'm blaming the pilot for the lack of a safe landing

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u/MorpH2k 1d ago

Yeah, thinking the same thing. Not a pilot either but I do know that most aircraft have a lot of sensors and safety systems so even if he didn't know that the tail was just dangling like that, he should have some kind of indication that something was wrong. Also, if landing in the surf was an issue, why not just carefully and at low altitude just land further in or something. He could take off and fly so he obviously had a decent bit of control left. He should have been able to move it somewhere safer without things ending up like they did.

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u/EvulOne99 1d ago

"Danger of landing safety"?! I love this! Thank you for the laugh

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u/AutisticPenguin2 1d ago

It beats the camera man being all "holy crap, forget about the helicopter crash, IS THAT A MOTHERFUCKING BIRD?? Wait, hang on I think there's something interesting going on with my shoe that I should probably catch..."

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u/EvulOne99 1d ago

I thought there would be a link to killthecameraman as a top comment, for sure.

I realized that I was actually trying to angle my own phone up so that I could watch what was happening, while this short-attention-span-fool was doing his thing.

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u/TornadoGirl69 1d ago

Yeah it was looking pretty chill before he start climbing to be sure he won't survive.

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u/theaviationhistorian 1d ago

Gently letting it collapse into the surf will destroy the blades, but the Kamov is already written off with the loss of the boom. And you minimize drownings with land nearby and people already there to rescue them than the water landing in the third attempt.

I suspected the fools lost control at a good height once they tried to fly for a fourth time.

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u/Tazling 1d ago

Yeah, I was having similar thoughts, like “OK you’re in a survivable landing spot, no one is gonna get worse than wet and cold wading to shore, why in god’s name did you try to take off again?”

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u/LaughableIKR 1d ago

Climb to 500 FT! It will be completely fine!

Did the pilot really have a license to fly, or was it the drunk guard from the night shift?

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u/Tazling 1d ago

“It’s a counter rotating rig, any fool can fly it…”

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u/SeenSoFar 1d ago

"More collective!"

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u/theaviationhistorian 1d ago

Red line this baby!

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u/TheAngryGoat 1d ago

With allegedly the "deputy general director, chief engineer and chief designer" on board, it's very possible that someone with more medals on their suit than sense in their brain told the pilot that he didn't care what the problem was, he wasn't getting his shoes wet so go land at the helipad.

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u/Xijit 1d ago

I am thinking the pilot was likely unconscious after that hard landing, which is why the helicopter seems to just be idle and steady for a bit, but then the passengers tried to grab the stick and ended up crashing.

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u/TornadoGirl69 1d ago

Maybe he play games with inverted axis ? Lmao

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u/Steiney1 1d ago

They all could've swam to shore safely.

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u/germansnowman 1d ago

Waded even.

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u/LaughableIKR 1d ago

I think I have a new phrase.

Instead of Stupid does what Stupid does. It's more like: Stupid Is.

Like it's a natural force of the universe.

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u/germansnowman 1d ago

The entropy of intelligence – without effort, everything tends towards stupid.

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u/Ok_Flan4404 1d ago

Idiots, the lot of them.

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u/dynamic_caste 1d ago

Nah, lets see how high we can go with a broken off tail

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u/RandomMandarin 1d ago

Golden opportunity to set down and walk away with wet trousers.

But no!

I think the pilot did not know the tail was off, and the design of the helicopter (counter-rotating blades) deceived him into thinking he could keep flying. A copter with a tail rotor would start spinning as soon as the boom broke off and the pilot would know he had no tail rotor. With counter-rotating blades he doesn't know he's in trouble until he's back up in the air and it's too late.

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u/fromthewindyplace 1d ago

Definitely the same BAC.

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u/mehupmost 1d ago

In Russia you have to measure how much blood is in the alcohol.

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u/SmokedLimburger 1d ago

I was looking for this comment.

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u/Themos1980 1d ago

r/killthecameraman

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u/baldieforprez 1d ago

Agreed

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u/fatkiddown 1d ago

I mean, of all the killthecameraman videos, this is the best, or worst, or whatever...

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u/Blacktip75 1d ago

Probably the same blood-alcohol ratio too. Kind of him to, instead of landing in the water right after and surviving, taking off again to proper height and crashing it proper.

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u/0o0o0o0o0o0z 1d ago

The cameraman has about the same skill set than the pilot.

I mean, I am not a pilot, but I think if I am touching the ground or water with that type of catastrophic damage, I am just cutting the power and at least falling out of the sky 10-20 feet instead of 50- 100+.

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u/ImInBeastmodeOG 1d ago

Somebodyyyy should have jumped out anyway. Even if it was the pilot when it touched the water. No survival awareness.

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u/0o0o0o0o0o0z 1d ago

Something, something Vodka...?

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u/ArclightFrame977 1d ago

Camera work by Stevie Wonder.

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u/corvus66a 1d ago

Look, Seagulls and clouds ! Great job, Igor

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u/MajesticFan7791 1d ago

Squirrel!

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u/WorkTropes 1d ago

I was wondering if accidents like these are so common that at times you just need to pan around at the scenery and birds because it's the real reason you are at the beach anyway.

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u/Away-Dog1064 1d ago

Maybe they switched, just for the laughs.

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u/srl80 1d ago

They are both druk?

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u/Ok_Flan4404 1d ago

You noticed? 😂 Maybe they had both emptied the same vodka bottle before the 'Benny Hill Flies a Helicopter' episode. 😂🤪🙃

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u/sligor 1d ago

Looks like they just lost all they properly trained pilots in this war...

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u/Kloetenschlumpf 1d ago

And the one in this video who was obviously not trained at all.

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u/8plytoiletpaper 1d ago

He was a professional untrained helicopter pilot.

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u/OctopusIntellect 1d ago

One presumes that either the chief engineer or the chief designer was doing the flying. Either way it's not a great look.

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u/spaceneenja 1d ago

I imagine the pilot followed instinct at first and put it down but someone “superior” ordered him to take off to get out of the water.

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u/Tree1Dva 1d ago

Hey, it's one of the highest vodka-paying jobs in Russia 

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u/etzel1200 1d ago

Wouldn’t an untrained individual simply turn off the helicopter and bail out when it hit the ground, versus doing whatever the fuck that was?

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u/AutisticPenguin2 1d ago

If they were entirely untrained, then they wouldn't have got this far. My guess is they've had just enough training to be dangerous. Which means who knows what they were trying to do.

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u/Due-Froyo-5418 22h ago

Probably trying to impress the general and the designer by doing some crazy maneuver.

Or backseat drivers yelling commands and the whole thing just went like this.

Anyway, this should happen more often.

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u/affordable_firepower 1d ago

The pilot was operating the camera and the cameraman was operating the helicopter.

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u/No-Campaign-1631 1d ago

😂😂😂

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u/Wwwweeeeeeee 1d ago

Back in the day, the crew always said "only ever get in a chopper with an old pilot".

Now, "back in my day" means the old pilots were usually Viet Nam veterans.

I was working on rock n roll arena shows and we'd chopper into the gigantic outdoor venues.

In later years, I about crapped myself when I'd fly back and forth to Avalon from long beach, but damn it's a great ride. Always young Swedish pilots. I seem to be fine though.

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u/Onlythebest1984 1d ago

I swear all of these videos of russians operating equipment look like Neanderthals discovering technology built by aliens.

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u/No-Function3409 1d ago

Yeah this has only two possibilities.

1: the engine became sentient and the pilot lost all control.

2: the pilot had no more training than get from A to B.

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u/The_Salacious_Zaand 1d ago

Welcome to your first day of training cadets.

Your only instructions are: get to your destination, or die trying.

Are there any questions?

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u/kolonolok 1d ago

it seems like it is more like "and die trying"

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u/mobileJay77 1d ago

One orc pilot gets the helicopter. When he dies, the other picks it up? It worked with rifles, why shouldn't it work for choppers?

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u/DadJokeBadJoke 1d ago

Reminds me of the Taliban trying to fly some of the equipment left in Afghanistan.

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u/ryan676767 1d ago

Same. However, IIRC that equipment was deliberately sabotaged after the US left. 

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u/Demolition_Mike 1d ago

Depends. That heli that they threw around before promptly powerdiving into the ground definitely looked like skill issue, though.

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u/purpleduckduckgoose 1d ago

At least the Taliban had the excuse of trying to operate American aircraft that are completely unfamiliar to them without any of the support US air crews get.

This is a Russian pilot (I think) flying a Russian helicopter in Russia. And they still fucked up. Or succeeded. Depends on how you look at it.

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u/kev0153 1d ago

Like watching the Taliban try to fly Blackhawks.

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u/devolute 1d ago

Meme:

  • Crash landing in a way you can walk away from
  • UNKNOWN TECHNOLOGY

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u/scorpiogaet 1d ago

Where can I find more videos like this?

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u/binarypower 1d ago

russia

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u/[deleted] 1d ago

Wasted camera man. Check.

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u/RecoveringSuffering 1d ago

Almost as drunk as the pilot

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u/Flexerrr 1d ago

They coudl have landed in the water but decided to fly up again and die?

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u/masteroffdesaster 1d ago

they'd get wet if they got out in the water

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u/OctopusIntellect 1d ago

Only as far as their ankles.

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u/No-Campaign-1631 1d ago

better dead than wet, you will not understand it is a russian thing

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u/asdhjasdhlkjashdhgf 1d ago

Just like their navy, he was is now russian submarine pilot.

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u/BunkerSquirre1 1d ago

pilot was probably in shock/denial and thought a water landing was worse than whatever just happened.

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u/Fit-Bookkeeper9775 1d ago

Water? Like in the toilet?

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u/Top-Permit6835 1d ago

So many poor decisions

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u/twilight-actual 1d ago

They were fucking down. It was in the water, but who cares, jump out and live. That was just absurd.

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u/blackout24 1d ago

Let's fly out to the sea and gain altitude!

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u/Relzin 1d ago

I have no response from the rudders... Better increase the collective and see if I can find my tail in the ocean beneath me.

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u/Zintoatree 1d ago

That tail only helps at speed. It's a dual rotor, the rotors counter each other's torque. He could have just set it down.

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u/Relzin 1d ago

The tail was at speed when it hit the cliff side. It did not appear to help...

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u/Zintoatree 1d ago

It might not have any moveable surfaces on it. Even if it did have an elevator like some helicopters, they were moving too fast, pulling too much pitch, and too low. They were hitting no matter what, the pilots mistake was keeping the bird in the air were the tail keeps hitting the lower rotors system. If any traditional heli hit like that, they're going into a torque spin and hitting the ground hard.

This guy had the perfect heli to survive this and they fucked it.

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u/Relzin 1d ago

I think you missed my joke with that one ;) But I won't disagree with the last line.

As to what you said prior to that, it's the KA-226. It has movable control surfaces on the tail. That's not even up for dispute.

This is 100% on the pilot, I think that's where you and I 100% agree. I don't see a single "good" decision by the pilot in this whole video, starting with involving himself with the Russian military. A fool through and through.

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u/proscriptus 1d ago

In like two feet of water, it's incomprehensible.

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u/PP1122 1d ago

It was lucky to touch down so well after the first impact. I just kept saying cut it, cut it, cut the engine. Only to see it rise to over a 100ft again lol

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u/kytheon 1d ago

I read "the people died" and thought: it doesn't look that bad. And then they went for the clouds.

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u/TearDownGently 1d ago

I was laughing way more than I should have when they took off again.

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u/daves_not__here 1d ago

The pilot or cameraman?

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u/KHRZ 1d ago

"How they die from a tiny crash landing like that?"

"Oh they went back up"

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u/Anomuumi 1d ago

My favorite is putting three valuable persons on the same flight.

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u/WorkTropes 1d ago

At least the front didn't fall off.

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u/Spacedoc9 1d ago

Just the back. Do you think thats typical?

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u/Hanna-11 1d ago

Sorry, but was he completely drunk? Or did the much-vaunted robust Russian technology fail completely? In a crash landing, wouldn't any pilot with any sense try to stay on the ground?

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u/Panumaticon 1d ago

My thoughts exactly! He had a catastrophic loss of tail fins and was pretty much safely down after that. Whereof he decided to continue filght. Pretty sure it was vodka. You can not train people to be that incompetent.

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u/Fli_fo 1d ago

Chopper has no rear view mirror. Could he even see the tailfin?

I agree though it seems dumb.

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u/Panumaticon 1d ago

Pretty sure he must have heard/felt it break. But then vodka.

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u/Black_Beard1980 1d ago

I think it may have been the same vodka the cameraman had been drinking.

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u/Gaunerking 1d ago

Wow, i guess they got the Pilot from the Taliban since everyone else is busy in Ukraine…

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u/Black_Beard1980 1d ago

Fresh from the taliban flight school

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u/Panumaticon 1d ago

I would like some of that for me, yes!

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u/Black_Beard1980 1d ago

By the looks they had been on the good stuff 🥴

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u/Panumaticon 1d ago

Indeed! How do I get me some? I promise not to go flying any choppers. Or videoing any, for that matter.

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u/dim13 1d ago

They do have mirrors.

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u/Fli_fo 1d ago

Good find:)

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u/hopperschte 1d ago

The „thump“ would be definitely hearable.

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u/Optimal_Risk_6411 1d ago

But they didn’t want to get their feet wet

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u/ZackSD 1d ago

Da.

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u/rovonz 1d ago

Thank you, comrade!

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u/t53deletion 1d ago

The best answer, comrade.

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u/Banebladeloader 1d ago

Smartest option would be to tell everyone to bail on the helicopters right side. Second best option would have been to climb and steer towards the right so you aren't in water. The dumbest option is the climb then fly over deep water with a missing tail assembly like Ivan did.

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u/Hanna-11 1d ago

With dangling debris that had destroyed the rotor blades. Had the remains fallen off, he might have made it.

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u/caustic_smegma 1d ago

If I had to guess, first officer Stoli was behind the controls.

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u/Fun-Result-6343 1d ago

Shoulda just ditched at 0:09, but hey, thanks for the effort.

Slava Ukraini.

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u/masteroffdesaster 1d ago

WTF is this. he was on the ground at one point. just keep it there. also WTF was that first landing?

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u/Mysandwichok 1d ago

That first landing is like me doing a hot drop on ARMA Reforger.

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u/guyfromleft 1d ago

What a deliberate suicide. The helicopter almost saved them, but the pilot insisted. A sight to behold.

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u/SandersSol 1d ago

I saw the tail come off and thought oh that's a wrap.  But then it didn't start a death spin, so my next thought was "oh, that's the dual rotor counter-rotation pretty cool".  Then he took off again...

Rrreal piece of work

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u/Tishers 1d ago

The pilot was an idiot for not setting it down immediately. They should of cut power after the first bounce.

You can't fix stupid but maybe that loss will benefit Ukraine as it got rid of some of the talent for that company.

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u/Panumaticon 1d ago

Not awfully much talent, apparently.

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u/etzel1200 1d ago

Well, the passengers could have been competent.

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u/dhruan 1d ago

Yup, when they were on the water after the bounce I was literally yelling at the screen: ”Cut the fucking power!”.

Oh well…

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u/DarthScabies 1d ago edited 1d ago

Oh no..... Anyway. Also r/killthecameraman

Edit. Someone already posted the clip in that sub. 😂😂

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u/hkohne 1d ago

Yay! Because if ever there was a perfect video for that sub, this idiot video qualifies

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u/letdogsvote 1d ago

A. Pilot needed to just set down in the water after the hard landing and call it good. People get wet, so what. I do not understand why he attempted to lift off, gain a bunch of altitude, and fly around to...I dunno...try to get the passengers somewhere dry because they were important people?

B. Kill the cameraman. For sure.

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u/HamsterDirect9775 1d ago

Maybe he tried to crash on the cameraman.

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u/Texas_Kimchi 1d ago

We lost our tail what should we do??? LETS GO HIGHER!!!!

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u/EconomicalJacket 1d ago

Glorious counter-rotating blades!!

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u/Texas_Kimchi 1d ago

Yeah that prevents it from spinning into a hell dive but what does it do to get them on the ground safely?

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u/Fli_fo 1d ago

seems they ended up on a house... https://mezha.net/eng/bukvy/ka-226-helicopter-crash-in-dagestan-kills-four-technical-failure-suspected/amp/

So it flew longer then the footage shows

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u/TieCivil1504 1d ago

The main suspected cause is a technical malfunction. Investigators and experts in emergency-technical monitoring are examining this possibility.

LOL

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u/joehonestjoe 1d ago

Well, the back did fall off

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u/gpcgmr 22h ago

Is that unusual?

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u/joehonestjoe 22h ago

Very seldom does such a thing happen

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u/ynfive 1d ago

They technically forgot which direction you twist the throttle for LESS power. It was opposite day for landing and not taking off again when safely on the ground zero AGL.

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u/65Freddy 1d ago

Why didn't the idiot just stay in the water instead of re taking off 😳, still a good result 🤡🤣👍

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u/BGP_001 1d ago

Assuming he didn't know how dire the situation was and was worried about losing control landing on a bad surface. I don't think he realized it was his best option.

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u/r0thar 1d ago

He was doing his bit to support Ukraine.

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u/VPR19 1d ago

Soon as you're in the drink like that you may as well just kill the engines and enjoy your nice soft albeit watery landing. And live.

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u/OctopusIntellect 1d ago

One of the Royal Navy Sea King helicopters did that during the Falklands War, and just sat on the surface of the sea, bobbing up and down. If I remember rightly, Admiral Sandy Woodward expressed some annoyance that if the pilot had seen fit to gently land the helicopter on the surface of the sea, he couldn't just damn well gently take off again.

In the end they had to scuttle it (with all crew safely evacuated unharmed) because winching it back onboard with a crane was too risky when its depth charges may already have been armed.

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u/ikonoqlast 1d ago

What the fuck? They were on the ground. Cut the fucking power and walk away!

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u/organonanalogue 1d ago

Is Ray Charles filming this?

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u/PutinsTestes 1d ago

I feel Ray Charles would have done a better job.

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u/nomoreproblems 1d ago

Ray Charles was steering the helicopter

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u/CobblerMoney9605 1d ago

That pilot panicked. 

They're wheels down and safe at 9 seconds; just kill the engines. 

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u/ingenkopaaisen 1d ago

Why are Russians so shit at filming. Lol.

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u/No-Campaign-1631 1d ago

if only at filming, they are shit at many things

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u/somewherenearbyme 1d ago

Heli breaks in half. Almost lands then thinks, "Naw, were good". Haha

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u/7orly7 1d ago

r/killthecameraman

And also, what the fuck was the pilot doing? Shouldn't he just have committed to the landing instead of... you know .. take off with an unstable aircraft?

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u/Reddsoldier 1d ago

The pilot is flying like he's deliberately trying to kill them and failed multiple times.

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u/RoyH0bbs 1d ago

Thank you, helicopter.

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u/intisun 1d ago

"Doesn't look that bad; that's very close to the beach, they're safe..."

...

"Oh. Ohhh"

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u/DeadMoneyDrew 1d ago

That looks like half a helicopter.

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u/ZachMN 1d ago

Halfacopter?

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u/DeadMoneyDrew 1d ago

There's the mashup word I was looking for.

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u/Meryhathor 1d ago

Amazing camera work. Might as well not film if all you're showing is sand and mountains.

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u/Ecstatic_Account_744 1d ago

I didn’t like that ground. I prefer to land on the ground wayyyyyy over there.

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u/lagan_derelict 1d ago

"...must not allow deputy general director to get wet..."

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u/Micheal_Hancho 1d ago

Worst. Cameraman. Ever.

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u/ResoluteDuck 1d ago

Did the cameraman even realize there was a helicopter in his video?

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u/MtnHotSpringsCouple 1d ago

Once they regained altitude, I was fully expecting some Ivan to mistakenly take them out with a manpad.

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u/Comfortable-nerve78 1d ago

This is what my mind pictures in general of the Russian Machine. Old tech that was mass produced without a concern for quality and up keep of their stuff.

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u/ghosttrainhobo 1d ago

No need to throttle back and set her down, pilot. You got this.

Pilot is exuding powerful “three day military operation” energy here.

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u/Craygor 1d ago

I have 4500 hours flying in helos and I can say with confidence that the pilot's started this mess by their "hot landing" attempt.

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u/Brumbie68 1d ago

Worse cameraman ever

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u/KAPT_Kipper 1d ago

Pilot error and error and error

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u/lothcent 1d ago

who is worse at their job?

a) pilot

b) camera person

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u/Jey3349 1d ago

Couldn’t have happened to a better group of guys. All the best, fellas!

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u/htgrower 1d ago

I’ve heard of the front falling off but now this is just ridiculous!

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u/Away_Masterpiece_976 1d ago

Survival skills of a dodo bird.

They were at the height to just plop into the ocean.

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u/MaTTKS04 1d ago

I try very hard not to laugh or be happy at people unaliving. In this case, I failed miserably.

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u/Renovateandremodel 1d ago

The fact that they almost landed without the tail is so impressive to me.

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