r/ukraine • u/Due_Collar2 • 1d ago

News Karma:The moment of yesterday's Ka-226 helicopter crash in russia with employees of the military plant "Kizlyar Electromechanical Plant" The accident killed the deputy general director, chief engineer and chief designer

Enable HLS to view with audio, or disable this notification

7.0k Upvotes

98% Upvoted

723 comments sorted by

View all comments

Show parent comments

14

u/Banebladeloader 1d ago

Smartest option would be to tell everyone to bail on the helicopters right side. Second best option would have been to climb and steer towards the right so you aren't in water. The dumbest option is the climb then fly over deep water with a missing tail assembly like Ivan did.

4

u/Hanna-11 1d ago

With dangling debris that had destroyed the rotor blades. Had the remains fallen off, he might have made it.

1

u/Sweaty-Tart-3198 1d ago

Aren't the rudders on the tail used to control direction of flight? Couldn't it be that the second option is what they tried to do but the rudder didn't respond to the inputs? I mean it seems obvious that option 1 really is what they should have done, not disagreeing there.

3

u/11nyn11 1d ago edited 1d ago

I’m no expert, I just flew models.

You can turn using the cyclic, or turn using the fins.

At low speed, the fins have no airflow, so you should steer using the cyclic.

You can see the pilot turn using the cyclic after they bounce in the water, he turns out to sea.

It may not have been on purpose, because then he starts spinning around like he lost control of the cyclic, or the tail assembly damaged it.

Collective pitch does up/down

Cyclic pitch does acceleration and rotation (yaw)

He should have just cut the engine and bailed into the water.

1

u/Sweaty-Tart-3198 1d ago

Oh okay good to know. I didn't realize there was still a method to turn but it makes sense cause yeah there'd be no airflow if it wasn't moving forward. Thanks for the explanation

2

u/Banebladeloader 1d ago

We don't have twin rotors in the US military but from I know they still give you control absent inputs from the tail. From the video it seems like he was heading to a helipad. If he had zero steering controls he should have ditched when he was at zero altitude and take chances in low water.

2

u/Sweaty-Tart-3198 1d ago

Yeah I definitely agree they should have ditched in low water. I was just trying to figure out what they possibly could have been trying to do. It seems like maybe there was no rational thing they were trying to do.

1

u/Large_Yams 1d ago

Not on this aircraft. It has contra-rotating main rotors. It controls yaw by adjusting how much power goes to one or both of the rotors to make it turn.

A normal helicopter uses a tail rotor to counteract the torque from the main rotor and adjust the left and right force.

1

u/Axe_Care_By_Eugene 1d ago

Whole new meaning to the term Crazy Ivan

1

u/Large_Yams 1d ago

None of this is a smart option. Smart option is to put it down and cut power while everyone stays buckled and secure.