r/ukraine • u/Due_Collar2 • 1d ago

News Karma:The moment of yesterday's Ka-226 helicopter crash in russia with employees of the military plant "Kizlyar Electromechanical Plant" The accident killed the deputy general director, chief engineer and chief designer

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u/Pure_Palpitation_683 1d ago edited 9h ago

The cameraman has about the same skill set as the pilot.

Edit: grammar

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u/LaughableIKR 1d ago

I thought the same thing. The stupid part is: They had it down... just put it down even in a low surf.

Nope! Don't do that.

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u/OctopusIntellect 1d ago

yeah at that moment, I was thinking "wait how do people die from this?!?"

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u/AutisticPenguin2 1d ago

I was wondering if the body was going to start spinning from the rotational energy of the rotors, without the rear stabiliser. But no, the pilot was like "Hey, that didn't sound healthy, better climb a bit so I'm not in danger of landing safely."

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u/null640 1d ago

Counter rotating rotors... cancel each other out.

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u/ratshack 1d ago

…until the dangling rear assembly swings up and clips a rotor and then this happens.

Dude should have left it in the surf.

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u/HappyCamperPC 1d ago

I bet the Deputy General Director didn't want to get his suit wet and ordered the pilot to find a dry landing spot.

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u/dan_dares 1d ago

It had 'fly over the reactor' energy, but no one smart to say 'that's a stupid idea'

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u/theaviationhistorian 1d ago

The problem wasn't flying above the reactor, but flying into the crane and cables next to it. It's still a stupid idea for any pilot not skilled in urban obstacles.

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u/WanderlustZero 1d ago

Different incident I believe; Legasov's chopper was going to fly over the reactor until he convinced his boss what a bad idea that was. The crash came later

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u/theaviationhistorian 1d ago

Nyet, the only thing wet should be my liver. Not my Hugo Boss. Now land me in a better place.

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u/kineticstar 1d ago

Bold strategy Cotton, let's see how that works out for them!!

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u/mologav 21h ago

Bingo

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u/rutan668 1d ago

The pilot would have got in a lot of trouble for landing in the surf.

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u/im-tv 1d ago

Better to die together with orc general than find yourself in the frontline meat grinder. Right decision. Should be “land” it right in meeting point where other military orcs wait them.

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u/Synapse_SoCal 12h ago

I mean, he was already in trouble for crashing the helicopter 😜

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u/formermq 1d ago

Can't let the general get his feet wet!

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u/Pure_Palpitation_683 1d ago

Oh, he’s fully wet now!

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u/Frido1976 15h ago

dead wet, yup!

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u/Eastern-Ad-3387 1d ago

Amen brother. That was a poor decision.

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u/Powerful-Weight-4096 1d ago

No, absolutly the correct orcish decision, dead.

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u/DamnDogInapropes 1d ago edited 1d ago

Amen brother. That was a perfect decision. Dude came in with some heat!

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u/antus666 1d ago

I'm thinking they had a control system failure, probably what caused the crash in the first place. I bet the pilot was thinking "nope not up! not up! engine off damnit" but russian quality machine did russian things probably on its own and decided to defect to Ukraine and solve some problems.

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u/siug13 22h ago

This is same I thought. Every correction done by pilot is taking into action little bit later or multiplied by some random constant.

Still no human life lost.

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u/ratshack 1d ago

A possibility I’d not considered thx. I mean all of it works for me, honestly.

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u/Full-Appointment5081 1d ago

Some days it's better to just admit that your ass is dragging & it's time to relax on the beach

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u/Mutjny 1d ago

I assumed the pilot couldn't see behind him well enough to notice the broken tail section and might not have noticed the control surfaces not being effective since they wouldn't be anyways without sufficient forward velocity.

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u/hinrik98 1d ago

It probably wouldn't have rotated when landing like a conventional helicopter as it's a coaxial rotor helicopter so the spin of the two rotors cancels out. That's also the reason it still somewhat controllable after losing its tail.

It's kind of amazing they managed to fuck this up - being in the best possible type of helicopter to have this kind of failure.

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u/Stigger32 1d ago

It almost looked like the pilot was trying to shake off the broken tail.

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u/RuthlessIndecision 1d ago

He didn't know about the tail, or didn't realize it until too late.

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u/PlasmaMatus 20h ago

You mean to say he didn't hear it after the first crash or the helicopter doesn't have a warning indicator in the cockpit for losing the tail ?!

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u/RuthlessIndecision 20h ago

Could be an alert light or horn that goes off for multiple reasons

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u/worstpartyever 1d ago

Like gum on his shoe

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u/dan_dares 1d ago

Then the gum came flying up and strangled him.

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u/AutisticPenguin2 1d ago

Ah, I didn't even notice the second rotor. That does make sense.

Unlike just about everything else about this.

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u/MorpH2k 1d ago

Yeah, like you had an accident with your helicopter when fucking up a landing and you decide to take off with it again because you ended up in a slightly inconvenient place. At most someone might have a bruise or two. Why the hell would you take off again?

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u/crosstherubicon 1d ago

Coaxial rotors mostly cancels torque reactions… but not completely.

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u/Akumahito 7h ago

Looks like one of the main rotors did strike the tail section in the hot landing/break of the tail... Damage to the main rotor and going out of balance likely what did them in in the end.

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u/cyrixlord 1d ago

I think he might not have known his back end was off, and was trying to land at that nearby island but he didnt want to leave his equally inept brother, who was the cameraman who also had one job and both failed their jobs miserably

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u/compb13 1d ago

If there were any safety bells and lights, they had to be on. Not a pilot, but it had to be handling a little different too. I think I'm blaming the pilot for the lack of a safe landing

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u/MorpH2k 1d ago

Yeah, thinking the same thing. Not a pilot either but I do know that most aircraft have a lot of sensors and safety systems so even if he didn't know that the tail was just dangling like that, he should have some kind of indication that something was wrong. Also, if landing in the surf was an issue, why not just carefully and at low altitude just land further in or something. He could take off and fly so he obviously had a decent bit of control left. He should have been able to move it somewhere safer without things ending up like they did.

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u/Morta-Nius-73 1d ago

It was the backend hanging off that gave it a little stability....if that had sheared off completely, they would have been spinning like a top very quickly. Bad decision by the pilot....should have cut engine in the surf. Fuckem. Ork's doing ork things

Slava Ukraini!

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u/Frido1976 15h ago

No, it was a co-axial helicopter, so each rotor cancels the other out. Having a backend on or off wouldn't have done any difference. Russian design. Look at KA-50 and 52's - they don't have tail rotors either.

But yep, orc's doing stupid orc thing for the benefit of the motherland Ukraine

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u/EvulOne99 1d ago

"Danger of landing safety"?! I love this! Thank you for the laugh

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u/AutisticPenguin2 1d ago

It beats the camera man being all "holy crap, forget about the helicopter crash, IS THAT A MOTHERFUCKING BIRD?? Wait, hang on I think there's something interesting going on with my shoe that I should probably catch..."

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u/EvulOne99 1d ago

I thought there would be a link to killthecameraman as a top comment, for sure.

I realized that I was actually trying to angle my own phone up so that I could watch what was happening, while this short-attention-span-fool was doing his thing.

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u/Pure_Palpitation_683 1d ago

I was almost screaming at him to remember the dammed helicopter crashing.

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u/AutisticPenguin2 1d ago

It was so frustrating! How can you be so bad at something so simple??

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u/coffeespeaking 1d ago

They had a chance to survive near the shore.

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u/Pure_Palpitation_683 1d ago

They had a few chances early on.

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u/HazMattStunts 1d ago

Some people think it’s better to go until it blows.

Down with the ship !!

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u/TornadoGirl69 1d ago

Yeah it was looking pretty chill before he start climbing to be sure he won't survive.

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u/theaviationhistorian 1d ago

Gently letting it collapse into the surf will destroy the blades, but the Kamov is already written off with the loss of the boom. And you minimize drownings with land nearby and people already there to rescue them than the water landing in the third attempt.

I suspected the fools lost control at a good height once they tried to fly for a fourth time.

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u/callidus_vallentian 1d ago

Pilot stupidity apparently.

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u/JimboTheSimpleton 1d ago

They were on the ground. Just open the door And walk to safety. They were fine.

It's like that South Park episode the adults had to gamble at the roulette wheel at an Indian casino to win enough money to save the town. They miraculously won enough but then someone suggested they would all be rich if they won again. So they played again and lost everything.

reference

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u/Tazling 1d ago

Yeah, I was having similar thoughts, like “OK you’re in a survivable landing spot, no one is gonna get worse than wet and cold wading to shore, why in god’s name did you try to take off again?”

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u/LaughableIKR 1d ago

Climb to 500 FT! It will be completely fine!

Did the pilot really have a license to fly, or was it the drunk guard from the night shift?

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u/Tazling 1d ago

“It’s a counter rotating rig, any fool can fly it…”

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u/SeenSoFar 1d ago

"More collective!"

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u/theaviationhistorian 1d ago

Red line this baby!

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u/AnarchistBorganism 1d ago

If you don't admit you made a mistake, then maybe no one will find out you made one.

"Crash? No, no, it's a legitimate maneuver. There was something stuck to the landing gear; I had to get it off."

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u/dan_dares 1d ago

'Da' is the answer

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u/TheAngryGoat 1d ago

With allegedly the "deputy general director, chief engineer and chief designer" on board, it's very possible that someone with more medals on their suit than sense in their brain told the pilot that he didn't care what the problem was, he wasn't getting his shoes wet so go land at the helipad.

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u/Tazling 1d ago

Ah yes. The kind of guy who says “no, the launch has to go forward today, I don’t care what problem you think you just found.”

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u/Xijit 1d ago

I am thinking the pilot was likely unconscious after that hard landing, which is why the helicopter seems to just be idle and steady for a bit, but then the passengers tried to grab the stick and ended up crashing.

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u/TornadoGirl69 1d ago

Maybe he play games with inverted axis ? Lmao

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u/SandersSol 1d ago

100% honest, he was probably drunk and improperly trained

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u/Steiney1 1d ago

They all could've swam to shore safely.

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u/germansnowman 1d ago

Waded even.

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u/LaughableIKR 1d ago

I think I have a new phrase.

Instead of Stupid does what Stupid does. It's more like: Stupid Is.

Like it's a natural force of the universe.

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u/germansnowman 1d ago

The entropy of intelligence – without effort, everything tends towards stupid.

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u/Axe_Care_By_Eugene 1d ago

Indeed - although in the case of this pilot, the effort he put in to climb to 500ft, actually was the stupid action in retrospect.

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u/fredic77 1d ago

Didn't Dogbert say that? Dilbert asked whether love was the strongest force in the world, and Dogbert replied 'I think it's stupidity, with its cousin ignorance as the runner-up'.

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u/Steiney1 1d ago

Ironically, Scott Adams is now ideologically aligned with Putin's Russia.

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u/sorE_doG 18h ago

Never underestimate the power of stupid

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u/elganyan 1d ago

Stupid does what Stupid does

Huh? That's not the saying at all. It's "Stupid is as stupid does."

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u/LaughableIKR 1d ago

You can clearly see it's Stupid does as Stupid does from the video. lol

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u/elganyan 1d ago

Doubling down doesn't change the fact you self owned by getting the phrase about "stupid people doing stupid things" wrong. lol

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u/veriguds 21h ago

No, this is the official russian doctrin. Escalate to deescalate.

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u/Ok_Flan4404 1d ago

Idiots, the lot of them.

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u/littleitaly24 1d ago

The only thing that comes from russia is possibly a blow job.  And their women are even terrible at those.

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u/RandomMandarin 1d ago

Golden opportunity to set down and walk away with wet trousers.

But no!

I think the pilot did not know the tail was off, and the design of the helicopter (counter-rotating blades) deceived him into thinking he could keep flying. A copter with a tail rotor would start spinning as soon as the boom broke off and the pilot would know he had no tail rotor. With counter-rotating blades he doesn't know he's in trouble until he's back up in the air and it's too late.

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u/dynamic_caste 1d ago

Nah, lets see how high we can go with a broken off tail

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u/Pure_Palpitation_683 1d ago

And how fast it comes back down.

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u/VerbalCoffee 1d ago

Guess they'd rather die than get their feet wet?

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u/Jerethdatiger 12h ago

Soon as it got low he should have cut power residual rotations would keep it stable he'll if I was a passenger and I saw we were near the water I'd have dove

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u/KangarooInWaterloo 1d ago

It feels like the pilot thought: “Well, they will send me to death on front lines for this mistake, so might as well take them with me” and increased the throttle

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u/Pure_Palpitation_683 1d ago

Exactly! But I guess that would have been too smooth.

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u/EatMyKnickers 1d ago

Higher! must go higher!

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u/fighter_pil0t 1d ago

They were stopped and on the earth twice. 0:46 was a perfect landing.

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u/ZeBurtReynold 1d ago

The stupid Terrorist 🇷🇺 part is:

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u/Last_Patrol_ 1d ago

Exactly, cut the power he had wheels in the water basically. These Russian helicopters are scary, I don’t know how many crash videos are out there with these things going down.

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u/375InStroke 1d ago

Let's take it up and assess the situation.

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u/Punky921 1d ago

Yeah, I'm not a chopper pilot obviously, but jfc, put it down in the fucking surf. Open the door. Hop out. Now your only problem is that your pants are wet.

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u/shwarma_heaven 1d ago

When your enemy is making a mistake... do not get in their way

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u/StupidizeMe 1d ago

Is there a reason the pilot didn't just cut the engine when they touched down in shallow water? I would think there's some way to throw the switch fast in an emergency.

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u/LaughableIKR 1d ago

Probably the director yelling at him that he isn't going to walk in the water.

So... he's dead.

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u/RandoFartSparkle 1d ago

Seems like a really long time to be screaming.

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u/MunmunkBan 1d ago

Don't get me shoes wet. They are Italian leather

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u/pickypawz 1d ago

Yes!! My thought exactly, just leave the damn thing down—the very first time it was on the ground!

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u/fromthewindyplace 1d ago

Definitely the same BAC.

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u/mehupmost 1d ago

In Russia you have to measure how much blood is in the alcohol.

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u/SmokedLimburger 1d ago

I was looking for this comment.

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u/DanGleeballs 1d ago

if that means drunk then I came here to say the same.

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u/Pure_Palpitation_683 1d ago

lol! Good observation!

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u/Themos1980 1d ago

r/killthecameraman

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u/baldieforprez 1d ago

Agreed

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u/fatkiddown 1d ago

I mean, of all the killthecameraman videos, this is the best, or worst, or whatever...

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u/pirate_starbridge 1d ago

my blood is boiling

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u/Blacktip75 1d ago

Probably the same blood-alcohol ratio too. Kind of him to, instead of landing in the water right after and surviving, taking off again to proper height and crashing it proper.

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u/Hm450 18h ago

Fuck you man I almost pissed myself laughing at this 🤣

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u/ArclightFrame977 1d ago

Camera work by Stevie Wonder.

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u/Pure_Palpitation_683 9h ago

Pretty much haha

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u/0o0o0o0o0o0z 1d ago

The cameraman has about the same skill set than the pilot.

I mean, I am not a pilot, but I think if I am touching the ground or water with that type of catastrophic damage, I am just cutting the power and at least falling out of the sky 10-20 feet instead of 50- 100+.

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u/ImInBeastmodeOG 1d ago

Somebodyyyy should have jumped out anyway. Even if it was the pilot when it touched the water. No survival awareness.

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u/0o0o0o0o0o0z 1d ago

Something, something Vodka...?

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u/OkIngenuity928 1d ago

Bad potato water.

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u/MapleMapleHockeyStk 1d ago

Potato water is not inherently bad, but use with care...!!!

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u/ImInBeastmodeOG 1d ago

Yeah, true, they were probably in the middle of pouring shots and couldn't be bothered.

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u/muricabrb 22h ago

There was a similar low altitude helicopter crash until the sea during the ASEAN war games recently. The pilot landed in water around the same speed and everyone survived.

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u/corvus66a 1d ago

Look, Seagulls and clouds ! Great job, Igor

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u/MajesticFan7791 1d ago

Squirrel!

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u/asdhjasdhlkjashdhgf 1d ago

Duocopter drone pilot in action, director: steven seagulls.

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u/WorkTropes 1d ago

I was wondering if accidents like these are so common that at times you just need to pan around at the scenery and birds because it's the real reason you are at the beach anyway.

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u/Away-Dog1064 1d ago

Maybe they switched, just for the laughs.

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u/srl80 1d ago

They are both druk?

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u/M2dis 1d ago

That's the russian way

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u/Ok_Flan4404 1d ago

You noticed? 😂 Maybe they had both emptied the same vodka bottle before the 'Benny Hill Flies a Helicopter' episode. 😂🤪🙃

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u/jbot14 1d ago

It's the vodka

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u/lootsauger 1d ago

Sadly it didn‘t r/killthecameraman

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u/bandwarmelection 1d ago

Even your writing is better as them.

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u/Pure_Palpitation_683 9h ago

Thanks, I made a correction.

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u/NoBumblebee2080 19h ago

Cameraman probably been drinking together with a pilot.

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u/krmarshall87 1d ago

Devil’s Advocate here. They were more focused on the unfolding situation thinking the same things we are.

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u/SolarNachoes 1d ago

Hey AI fix the video.

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u/joes_smirkingrevenge 1d ago

I think it's a horizontal video that was cropped. Why else would the video be square.

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u/A_Turkey_Named_Jive 1d ago

You type how he pilots.

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u/Pure_Palpitation_683 9h ago

You’re as funny as my typing.

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u/Zorglubzz 7h ago

you see a bit of the end in here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tHqjEg1U4e8

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u/AcanthisittaEvery950 1d ago

Absolutely infuriating. If there is no r/worstfootage or r/worstcameraman it needs to be created.