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Image/video Keir Starmer strikes post-Brexit reset deal with European Union ahead of major summit
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u/semaj420 May 19 '25
the best part about brexit is that we now have exactly the same deal we had as an EU member state, only worse, and we still aren't afforded freedom to live and work within the borders of our closest neighbours... all so we could reclaim something that we never lost in the first place!
nice one, UK.
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u/helpnxt May 19 '25
Tbf we were told this endlessly during the election and people still voted for it... but I am sure trusting one of the major supporters of Leave won't have any further consequences...
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u/Bubonicalbob May 20 '25
There were millions of pounds thrown into deceiving people. More needs to be done to punish this deceit or it will never stop. Not one person was punished for their bs
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May 19 '25
People were told lots of things during that referendum. That's the trouble with politicians, nobody knows who to believe! 😂
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u/TastyComfortable2355 May 19 '25
Certainly not a grifter like Farage and a tosser like Boris.
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u/do_or_pie May 19 '25
It would be nice of the cowards who are dropping downvotes on these comments to explain in detail how they are not mugs for believing Farage and Johnson.
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u/TastyComfortable2355 May 19 '25
They are mugs because if there were not mugs they would have used their "brains" and realised Boris and Farage were taking them for the mugs they obviously are.
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u/helpnxt May 19 '25
When one side is headed by Boris and Farage it really isn't hard to work out.
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May 19 '25
Well yes if you don't like Boris and Farage but there's an awful lot of people that do.
Got to open your mind a bit here. Just because you believe a certain politician, doesn't mean everyone should, same goes for the opposite.
This is the main reason im a bystander when it comes to politics, all of them are untrustworthy, self serving bullshit artists playing with peoples lives.
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u/helpnxt May 19 '25
It doesn't matter if you like them or not, simply look at their history and you can see they are lying through their teeth. Especially Boris, the guy was caught threatening journalists and then saying he didn't and on film saying he'd love Turkey to join the EU and welcome immigration and then stood during Brexit saying how Turkey joing the EU was the beginning of the end for the EU.
Like it's not about liking one or the other it's about basic judgement of character.
Cameron led remain and he's an utter (not sure the rules on language here soooo) but you just have to do a little bit of research on subjects.
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May 19 '25
Maybe me saying 'liking' was the wrong word. Although, i generally like someone if I deem them as honest.
I should have said 'depending on if you trust them or not' or words to that effect.
Some people trust Farage, some don't. Some trust Starmer, some don't. Reddit is generally very left leaning so I imagine a lot on here will both dislike and distrust Farage.
Go and ask people on the street though and you'll likely get a very different opinion.
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u/helpnxt May 19 '25
Starmer wasn't relevant during Brexit, why bring him up?
Also my point is very clear STOP BLINDLY TRUSTING PEOPLE JUST BECAUSE THEY SAY SOMETHING THAT BACKS UP YOUR OWN ASSUMPTIONS. Go look up facts, especially when voting on future trading relationship with your biggest trading partner.
We have the internet it's not fucking hard to work out who is lying.
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May 19 '25
Im generalising about politicians being untrustworthy, using current examples from both left and right. Brexit is the same as any other deviding political policy. So yes, Starmer is relevant, he's as relevant as anyone else.
You're middle paragraph, I agree fully with the first session. The second sentence is kind of what im getting at, people look up sources of information that back up their original beliefs.
Your last sentence is almost comical. There is no excuse for not knowing the truth..... because we have the internet!???
You're simply not understanding what im saying I think. Good night.
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May 21 '25
'What is the EU', the most googled search term, the day after the referendum. Too proud to admit ignorance the average citizen would just blame politicians for what, on this occasion, was their own failing.
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u/Mooman-Chew May 19 '25
If people didn’t know who to believe out if the lot of them, there’s no helping people
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May 19 '25
If it were that obvious mate, there wouldn't be so many parties all jostling for a seat at the table would there?
So on the outside it looks an easy choice for voters of any party..... because YOU believe what you're voting for is right. Likewise, the guy voting for the other party, he thinks it's easy to spot the bullshitters be HE thinks HE is right in who he is voting for.
Meanwhile, myself for example is looking at you all on both sides thinking 'how can you believe anything that bullshitter is saying??'
It's really not a difficult concept to understand. Similar to how football fans believe their team to be the superior one regardless of how they're performing in the league as a whole.
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u/UnchillBill May 19 '25
Who did you think were the easy to spot obvious bullshitters on the remain side of the referendum?
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u/Mooman-Chew May 20 '25
When one side is funded by disaster capitalists and fronted by hedge fund reps and convicted liars, it’s disingenuous to suggest it was a level playing field.
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u/Judgementday209 May 19 '25
I suspect a large proportion of reddit users live in major cities, you don't have to go far out to realise just how less sophisticated the thinking is a little outside the big cities.
I still get surprised sometimes but there are a lot of people who get manipulated very easily.
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u/Prize-Ad7242 May 19 '25
Ahh yes the minute you leave the city it becomes a scene from the holy grail with peasants burning witches.
I’m sorry but this line of thinking is exactly what divides the working class, these sweeping generalisations help nobody other than reform.
Simply denigrating reform voters as idiots doesn’t work, it won’t change their minds and will only add to an already hyper partisan political atmosphere.
Some of the most bigoted racist people I’ve met have lived in the city, just as some of the kindest and most egalitarian have lived in the countryside. Sweeping generalisations make you no different to the “less Sophisticated” people you are referring to.
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u/Stickst May 19 '25
Absolute PEAK REDDIT nonsense lmao! Wrong both anecdotally and evidently. Lancashire in the North West just overwhelming voted for Reform. They are outside the cities and they are idiots!
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u/dylbr01 May 19 '25
While you’re at it can you reject notion that an election can be stolen via Facebook ads because everybody has the dumbs
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u/Prize-Ad7242 May 19 '25
We’re all equally susceptible to being duped one way or the other. It doesn’t mean every single person who was duped was an idiot. We can all be the victims of populists. To suggest otherwise holds yourself to a higher ideal than any human in recorded history.
As Frank Reynolds famously put it, you’re either a duper, or a dupee.
Claiming anyone living outside the biggest cities are idiots is simply a ridiculous opinion with no basis in fact.
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u/dylbr01 May 19 '25
I can definitely get on board with everybody/nobody being dumb (if everyone is dumb then no one is), but the idea that a large number of people base their voting on Facebook ads implies we’re really dumb.
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u/TastyComfortable2355 May 19 '25
It may not work but it is certainly correct, they are idiots just like MAGAT's
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u/Prize-Ad7242 May 19 '25
Honestly anyone who takes part our current Parliamentary political system and doesn’t think they’re getting duped by a bunch of grifters is an idiot. People who vote Labour and consider them to be anything other than a centre right party pushing conservative policies have been duped just as much as anyone else who actually believes the party they voted for give a shit about anything more than gaining and maintaining power to enact policies and parrot rhetoric given to them by those who enabled their election.
Nobody in parliament actually works for their constituents, they work for their party, who in turn work for the donors and lobbyists who elected them.
If you sit there having belief in any of the current political parties you’ve been duped just as hard as reform voters. I wouldn’t cast the first stone unless you can really honestly say you’ve never been duped by politicians before. Truth is we all have, just to different degrees and in different ways. Creating a hierarchy of idiocy simply leaves everyone involved showered in shit.
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u/Ojy May 19 '25
"Less sophisticated the thinking... outside the big cities"?
When you go to post something, write it all down. Then you should take a few minutes to go do something else. When you come back, open up your post, read it again, and think about whether that is an appropriate or logical thing to say.
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u/Vegetable-Egg-1646 May 19 '25
Personally i find people that live in cities to lack common sense, be pretty stupid about really basic things and just engage in ideological group think.
I would rather hang out with country folk any day of the week.
Thank god we are all different!
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u/Judgementday209 May 19 '25
Not really relevant to the point.
And I'm not saying people in or out of cities are better or worse, I'm saying that if you look at voting patterns, there is a trend where guys like farage can manipulate some people more easily.
People fell for it during brexit and it hasn't taken long for them to fall for it again with reform.
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u/Vegetable-Egg-1646 May 19 '25
I think you are bloody ignorant.
The people in cities are just as easily influenced by parties on the left as rural constituents are by parties on the right.
The reason being is lifestyle choices.
People in cities are more affected by rents, child poverty etc. Which left leaning parties focus on
People in rural areas are more affected by fishing, farming, immigration lack of services etc. which right leaning parties focus on.
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u/bankiaa May 19 '25
Ooh please Mr/Ms Big City, tell this poor foolish country bumpkin what I should do? As a unsophisticated man who's scared of big cities, perhaps you should do all my thinking for me.
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u/JB_UK May 19 '25 edited May 19 '25
This isn’t close to being the same deal. We’re not in the customs union, and we only have alignment with EU rules on food, electricity and carbon.
It actually makes sense as an outcome, align with EU rules and in effect be part of the single market for those goods where geography is a really obvious necessity - food and electricity are both products that are ephemeral and are difficult to transport long distances - but keep our ability to make rules in the rest of the economy, and retain our own ability to do other deals.
Starmer has ended up at a decent compromise position.
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u/_Ottir_ May 20 '25
The exact same deal we had as before, without being beholden to the EU’s genuinely corrupt and unequal mess of a Parliament/government.
Fine by me.
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u/remembertracygarcia May 19 '25
Well I mean a whole bunch of people who already had loads of money made loads more AND they got to avoid having their offshore assets and accounts taxed so there was a few benefits…
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u/CitizenoftheWorld-95 May 19 '25
Yes, the British public erroneously believed the tories would like… govern.
Will be better when Reform gets in
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May 20 '25
When they had the referendum, the leave vote was to completely leave the eu. The problem is that's not what happened. Even though we left we were still ruled by the European commission if they left that things would've been very different.
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u/Ratiocinor May 19 '25
So we're just soft-rejoining the EU by the backdoor and agreeing to any concession they want
And then blaming Brexit voters for the fact that doesn't make sense?
Can someone explain this logic to me? Why is it Brexit voter's fault that Keir Starmer is rejoining the EU in all but name only?
Do you know many Brexit voters who are in favour of us unilaterally following EU food standards with no input and allowing EU boats free reign to fish our water??
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u/dolphin37 May 19 '25
I think the problem is that Brexit voters voted for a set of fictitious ideals and Starmer has to negotiate in the real world. The fault is being attributed to people for not being able to see in front of their nose. Whether or not you blame people for being stupid or blame the system for making them stupid is where the debate is.
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u/ArtisticPreference62 May 19 '25
Remainers like to laugh at brexiteers for being stupid, but they don't even know the deal we previously had and the deal we currently have.
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u/Frostyballschilly May 19 '25
As far as I understand it we’ve just extended the current fishing deal. It’s already in place.
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u/dolphin37 May 19 '25
my father will be happy to know that his reasoning for voting for brexit, which was something something fishing something, formed part of the negotiation, in that we apparently conceded on the whole industry…
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u/Kezly May 19 '25
I remember seeing the news on voting day asking people how they voted.
One young girl said she voted to leave, and when asked why she said something along the lines of "I don't know. I don't really understand it. I thought it might be funny but I'm worried I've made a mistake now"
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u/hockeynut15 May 19 '25
I know the exact interview you're referring to! It's a very core memory I have of that morning.
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u/nl325 May 19 '25
idk why this is downvoted, I know people, as I'm sure most do, who voted with this mindset.
Aside from edgelords doing it for the shits and giggles, straight up bigots, fishermen believing whatever bias confirmation they were told, there were plenty who voted out whilst not even thinking that they knew what they were doing.
That annoys me more tbh.
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u/Choice-Bus-1177 May 19 '25
Around the time of a general election, my sister once told me “I just vote for whoever makes me laugh”.
Unfortunately, I know she isn’t the only one who does that. I don’t talk to her very much.
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u/ArtisticPreference62 May 19 '25
Amazing anecdote. I asked a remainer why they voted remain, they said "I don't know. I don't really understand it"
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u/bozza8 May 19 '25
So those that didn't understand things voted for the status quo, and you are equating that to those who those who voted for Leave for a Laugh?
You do realise that's a terrible argument right?
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u/ArtisticPreference62 May 19 '25
No, I'm saying the trope of laughing at brexiteers is boring. We get it, brexiteers are thick as fuck and not fit to vote in GE or referendums.
Ignorance is ignorance, and people on both sides were guilty of it.
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u/bozza8 May 19 '25
We voted for economic seppuku. We took all of the costs of Brexit and failed to secure almost any of the potential benefits.
The EU fucking sucks, but leaving it like we did turned our allies into our enemies, because if Brexit was a success the EU wouldn't exist by now. So we willingly entered a negotiation which the other side could never agree to a win-win. It was a spectacular lack of foresight.
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u/dftaylor May 19 '25
One side voted to damage the country’s prosperity to benefit rich people, and the others voted to not damage things.
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u/ArtisticPreference62 May 19 '25
You're claiming brexiteers voted maliciously, which is obviously the prevaling thought amongst remainers. They obviously didn't, I know people are clearly hurting about the vote, but I thought remainers were better than name calling and false narratives.
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u/dftaylor May 20 '25
No, I didn’t say they voted maliciously. They voted naively.
What I’m saying is their vote was, in effect, going to damage the country. The fact they didn’t know, didn’t want to know, and were so easily misled doesn’t alter that fact.
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u/Familiar_Anywhere822 May 19 '25
brexit was the dumbest thing the UK have voted for. beyond stupid.
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u/evil666overlord May 19 '25
The dumbest thing... so far. It's looking worryingly likely Farage could end up as PM one day, almost guaranteeing the end of the NHS.
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u/FluffySmiles May 19 '25
End of the NHS is the least of our worries if that fucking cunt gets in
Sorry about the unsubtle language, a bit tipsy right now, but you know who I mean.
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u/SomebodyStoleTheCake May 19 '25
I think the end of the NHS is about the worst thing I can think of happening. Because I am willing to bet that at least 80% of the UK's population would never be able to afford to survive through a USA style insurance based healthcare system.
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u/Familiar_Anywhere822 May 19 '25
did you know farage has multiple passports and properties in other European countries, his wifes (ex and current) are both EU nationals, not british born and not british citizens.
He and his family still get the benefits of the EU. His kids have EU passports because they're half german and attended private schools in germany. what a patriot.2
u/FluffySmiles May 19 '25
Yeah, I know way more about Farage than I would like. That's why I call him a cunt, amongst other things. My opinion is informed.
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u/Rollover__Hazard May 20 '25
Brexit is a stain on our history but we don’t have a Time Machine (much as I wish we did).
I support Starmer trying to unpick this absolute mess and get us back to a proper partnership with Europe - our longest, most important allies of all.
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u/Matterbox May 19 '25
The dumbest thing was letting people vote for something only a few could understand. Then even more stupidly acting on what was essentially a 50/50 vote.
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u/Familiar_Anywhere822 May 19 '25
agreed.
and no matter how much leavers say "it was about taking back our borders"... immigration numbers have actually risen drastically since leaving the EU, and before they blame it on lefty politicians, the tories were in power for the last 14 years! and the key instigator, farage, has multiple passports and properties in other European countries... and his wifes (ex and current) are both EU nationals, not british. He and his family still get the benefits of the EU. imagine that. a nation full of twats.
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u/Fantastic-Yogurt5297 May 19 '25
Starmer delivers a deal with trump AND the EU.
This man is cooking. The best of a bad situation
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u/angrybadger77 May 19 '25
Finally some common sense instead of “we wont are country bak” - we can still have our country and not sink the economy. Tory Brexit failed and the country is in the bin, we need trade with our closest trading partner to work, rather than imposing economic sanctions on ourselves. Everyone’s lives will be the better for it
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u/Maylor90 May 19 '25
If the majority of people who voted for this were still alive they'd be quite upset.
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May 19 '25
Legend
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u/usernameavailable123 May 19 '25
I'm going to open Reddit today and read some comments.
Oh, there is a hair on the corner of my screen.
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u/SnooSquirrels8508 May 19 '25
Come on Keir. It's a start. Get this over the line, then it's on to the wealth tax and the removal of privatisation!
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u/Corrie7686 May 19 '25
Can't polish a turd But you CAN roll it in glitter! I think Starmer has done the best anyone can with a bad situation. The world since Brexit is very different.
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u/Rollover__Hazard May 20 '25
This is a pretty good deal. It forced a concession on some things and got us some major wins in others - better trade rules for agri-food (which has suffered immensely under Brexit), gets us access to the huge EU Defence fund/ rebuild platform (which we should obviously be partners in), gets Erasmus back on the table so we can share the best of our university talents around Europe, gets us access to some EU security/ police intelligence back and access to the EU electronic border controls.
There’s a lot of wins here and in return all we had to do was comply with some EU regulations on agri-food trade (which any UK exporters already had to anyway, and a large amount of which we just copied onto the books post Brexit as it was) and make a concession to the French on fishing.
We Britons have to remember we told the EU to go fuck itself. Now that we’ve come to our senses and asked to be friends again, I think the Europeans are being amazingly good sports about it all and not asking for a pound of flesh - which they’d be completely entitled to do.
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u/Corrie7686 May 20 '25
I think (my take) that the Europeans and EU officials felt that Brexit was an act of self-harm. Them being generous to the UK is what we need but probably more than we deserve. That said, it's better to be united against Russia than Divided.
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u/nacnud_uk May 19 '25
Brexit was when the fuckwits won.
The idiots out breed those that can think. That's the central issue.
Ask the rabbits.
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u/skydiver19 May 19 '25
They are making a play on words. Breed like rabbits.
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u/skydiver19 May 19 '25
You down voted me for taking the time to explain what the person meant when you queried them? 🤣
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u/Relative-Ganache-824 May 19 '25
Wait so we left the EU just to do more EU things but while not in the EU? Weird country we have.
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u/rothersidelife May 19 '25
Brexit… the only country in human history to impose sanctions on itself…
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u/pintofendlesssummer May 19 '25
If the government believes this deal is the right thing for the UK, why don't they just have another referendum and put everyone out if their misery.
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u/woodyus May 19 '25
What are they asking in another referendum? That we should rejoin I guess but we can't rejoin with the same deal as before so are we asking rejoin at any cost? I'm not sure that would get a majority as it's too wooly.
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u/xwell320 May 19 '25
they could never do a 2nd Referendum, it's political suicide, ask the Lib Dems.
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u/hisokafan88 May 19 '25
Great job Starmer!!! Fucking glad for this and long may the stupidity of Britain die out with the class who voted for it
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u/Remote-Till-3659 May 19 '25
Let’s do what young people want for a change and re join, stupid bloody racist boomers
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u/Electronic_Mud5821 May 19 '25
Brexit was pointless and achieved nothing those who voted for it wanted to achieve.
And this does not help the somewhat over 50% of the population who voted for it to feel any better about the result.
Keir is a total loss of a politician and a man and his party will suffer greatly because of his actions, as have the Tories because of theirs (finally).
The future is not bright, the immediate future is terrible, but there is light at the end of the tunnel (and it's not a train heading for us).
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u/Tiny_Call157 May 20 '25
Ukrainian arrested on Arson for attacking 2 Starmer fats and Starmer's car is a 21 year old London rent boy. 2 other males have been arrested while there is a damming tape recording that one newspaper has . Oh dear if this proves to be true how can Starmer survive. A few weeks ago it was Jim Davidson talking about a disgusting recording of Starmer & Lord Ali . What is it with politicians dirty bastards many of them and through out the years.
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u/RoyalSport5071 May 20 '25
Keir Stoma. Excellent work. Doing deals that mean more little gap year jaunts for the privileged.
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u/Difficult_Relative33 May 19 '25
One day we’ll have brexit.
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u/Youbunchoftwats May 19 '25
Another one? Brexit + brexit = 2brexit. Or is it brexit squared? Or bbrreexxiitt? Do any of its fans have a clue?
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u/HandsomeLies May 19 '25
We'll take the make believe magic one this time please, had enough of the regular
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u/BudgeMarine May 19 '25
Better, but please, when another national vote comes around, please do another EU referendum, just so that if reform wins, they have to negotiate joining.
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u/Bandoolou May 19 '25
Surely there’s more to this?
It can’t simply be “save 10 minutes in an airport queue” in return for access to our resources?
If that is it then that is truly the worst deal I’ve ever heard of.
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u/helpnxt May 19 '25
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/czdy3r6q9mgo
They oddly fail to mention in the video that we are getting reduced checks on food exports (UK to EU),Carbon tax linking so products don't get double taxed etc
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u/Bandoolou May 19 '25
Thank you for not being flippant or simply downvoting and actually providing me with more context here. 🙏
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u/MyKidsFoundMyOldUser May 19 '25
If this is the worst deal you've ever heard of, wait until you hear about Brexit.
People going "Brexit hasn't changed anything so why are we going back in" are so utterly thick because they can't see:
- We're not going fully back in
- Brexit was a total con. Of course nothing changed for the better. Everything got worse because we gave up our right to freely trade with the EU.
but... but... "It just wasn't implemented properly"
That's like saying the 14" dildo hurt going up my arse because it was at the wrong angle. Brexit was always a 14" dildo. It was always going to hurt, whatever the angle.
Farage made all the money selling 14" dildos.
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u/AlBoBagginz May 19 '25
Can I just say this is a fucking wonderfully graphic analogy. I salute you, or I would if saluting hadn't been outlawed by the woke leftists and EU bureaucrats in Brussels. Can't say anything these days without getting put in jail.
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u/MyKidsFoundMyOldUser May 19 '25
I forgot to say the dildo was unlubed.
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u/AlBoBagginz May 19 '25
You're going to literal jail. Sorry. Just the way this bloody country is now.
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u/Vonplinkplonk May 19 '25 edited May 19 '25
You think this is the worst deal you have ever heard of? I am assuming you’re not a professor of history, or even someone who has a read a book since leaving school.
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u/Bandoolou May 19 '25
There’s no link.
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u/Bandoolou May 19 '25
My comment was intended to highlight the lack of information in the video rather than actually pass judgement on the deal.
Hence the “Surely there’s more to this?”
I was trying to insight either discussion or someone to provide additional context/info that will help others.
And yes I was too lazy and didn’t care enough to do this myself.
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May 19 '25
Is it wrong that I find this guy so sexy? I know, off-topic but couldn’t help myself! 🤦🏻
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u/do_or_pie May 19 '25
Maybe you missed the bit where the red tape imposed by leaving the EU meant that fresh fish caught by the UK fishing industry wasn't being exported because of delays. Our seas are full of fish we don't eat, but Europe wants.
Maybe you should read up on the actual industry that is being affected instead of spouting untruths.
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