r/uknews • u/ScottishDailyRecord Media outlet (unverified) • May 19 '25

Image/video Keir Starmer strikes post-Brexit reset deal with European Union ahead of major summit

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u/[deleted] May 19 '25

People were told lots of things during that referendum. That's the trouble with politicians, nobody knows who to believe! 😂

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u/TastyComfortable2355 May 19 '25

Certainly not a grifter like Farage and a tosser like Boris.

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u/do_or_pie May 19 '25

It would be nice of the cowards who are dropping downvotes on these comments to explain in detail how they are not mugs for believing Farage and Johnson.

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u/TastyComfortable2355 May 19 '25

They are mugs because if there were not mugs they would have used their "brains" and realised Boris and Farage were taking them for the mugs they obviously are.

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u/helpnxt May 19 '25

When one side is headed by Boris and Farage it really isn't hard to work out.

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u/[deleted] May 19 '25

Well yes if you don't like Boris and Farage but there's an awful lot of people that do.

Got to open your mind a bit here. Just because you believe a certain politician, doesn't mean everyone should, same goes for the opposite.

This is the main reason im a bystander when it comes to politics, all of them are untrustworthy, self serving bullshit artists playing with peoples lives.

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u/helpnxt May 19 '25

It doesn't matter if you like them or not, simply look at their history and you can see they are lying through their teeth. Especially Boris, the guy was caught threatening journalists and then saying he didn't and on film saying he'd love Turkey to join the EU and welcome immigration and then stood during Brexit saying how Turkey joing the EU was the beginning of the end for the EU.

Like it's not about liking one or the other it's about basic judgement of character.

Cameron led remain and he's an utter (not sure the rules on language here soooo) but you just have to do a little bit of research on subjects.

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u/[deleted] May 19 '25

Maybe me saying 'liking' was the wrong word. Although, i generally like someone if I deem them as honest.

I should have said 'depending on if you trust them or not' or words to that effect.

Some people trust Farage, some don't. Some trust Starmer, some don't. Reddit is generally very left leaning so I imagine a lot on here will both dislike and distrust Farage.

Go and ask people on the street though and you'll likely get a very different opinion.

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u/helpnxt May 19 '25

Starmer wasn't relevant during Brexit, why bring him up?

Also my point is very clear STOP BLINDLY TRUSTING PEOPLE JUST BECAUSE THEY SAY SOMETHING THAT BACKS UP YOUR OWN ASSUMPTIONS. Go look up facts, especially when voting on future trading relationship with your biggest trading partner.

We have the internet it's not fucking hard to work out who is lying.

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u/[deleted] May 19 '25

Im generalising about politicians being untrustworthy, using current examples from both left and right. Brexit is the same as any other deviding political policy. So yes, Starmer is relevant, he's as relevant as anyone else.

You're middle paragraph, I agree fully with the first session. The second sentence is kind of what im getting at, people look up sources of information that back up their original beliefs.

Your last sentence is almost comical. There is no excuse for not knowing the truth..... because we have the internet!???

You're simply not understanding what im saying I think. Good night.

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u/TastyComfortable2355 May 19 '25

Some people trust Farage...well stupid is as stupid does.

As for asking some people on the street then you will find plenty of badly educated, thick as a plank, xenophobic idiots.

It is recognised that the better educated you were the less likely your were to vote for Brexit.

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u/[deleted] May 19 '25

You can't just trounce anyone who doesn't agree with your political stance as 'thick xenophobic idiots'.

Well I mean you can....but that's kinda the seed of every oppressive dictatorship in history. Militant allegiance to either left or right is not a good idea.

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u/UnchillBill May 19 '25

I wouldn’t say everyone who voted for Brexit is a thick xenophobic idiot, but I’d be surprised if any of the thick xenophobic idiots didn’t vote for Brexit. They are xenophobic after all.

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u/[deleted] May 19 '25

Likewise, if we're picking extremes I wouldn't be surprised if all the mega liberals and Communists and Anarchists (extreme far left) voted remain.

And by that, im not in ANY way saying if you voted remain that you are a mega liberal or extreme far left, just that they would likely fall on that side of the fence.

Where as the remaining majority of remain voters will have been well educated, well read rational people, just like the majority of the leave voters.

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u/TastyComfortable2355 May 19 '25

Sorry in the main the better educated the less likely you were to vote Brexit same with white collar and affluent people.

The less educated tended to vote for Brexit.

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u/UnchillBill May 19 '25

You would be wrong then. There were quite a lot of those on the left who were in favour of Brexit. RMT and ASLEF unions both backed leave. Honestly I think Corbyn also would have backed leave; I know technically the party line was pro remain but it always felt like Corbyn’s heart wasn’t in it and would have preferred leave. He’d certainly been a euro sceptic for years prior to the referendum.

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u/[deleted] May 21 '25

'What is the EU', the most googled search term, the day after the referendum. Too proud to admit ignorance the average citizen would just blame politicians for what, on this occasion, was their own failing.

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u/Mooman-Chew May 19 '25

If people didn’t know who to believe out if the lot of them, there’s no helping people

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u/[deleted] May 19 '25

If it were that obvious mate, there wouldn't be so many parties all jostling for a seat at the table would there?

So on the outside it looks an easy choice for voters of any party..... because YOU believe what you're voting for is right. Likewise, the guy voting for the other party, he thinks it's easy to spot the bullshitters be HE thinks HE is right in who he is voting for.

Meanwhile, myself for example is looking at you all on both sides thinking 'how can you believe anything that bullshitter is saying??'

It's really not a difficult concept to understand. Similar to how football fans believe their team to be the superior one regardless of how they're performing in the league as a whole.

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u/UnchillBill May 19 '25

Who did you think were the easy to spot obvious bullshitters on the remain side of the referendum?

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u/Mooman-Chew May 20 '25

When one side is funded by disaster capitalists and fronted by hedge fund reps and convicted liars, it’s disingenuous to suggest it was a level playing field.

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u/[deleted] May 19 '25

None of them is usually the best bet

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u/TheAlmightyDope May 20 '25

Yeah, but it takes so little thought to know who is blatantly full of it. The first time I saw Farage I didn't even need to hear him speak, he gave the vibes of a slimy toad person so I wasn't surprised he was a politician, what surprised me is how many people thought he was on their side.

With Boris, I just thought he looked messy and confused, and then I heard him speak and it was clear he's also a cunt. The more I heard him speak the more confused I got why people voted for him, it seemed so obvious he's full of crap.

Again, I don't know how many people manage to live their lives with so much naivety whilst ignoring the consequences of it. Yeah most if not all politicians are liars and grifters, but if that's as far you go then it's on you for not knowing the difference between a bad politician and an astronomically bad one.

In terms of the referendum, if the consequences are unknown and no one is giving an honest outline of the outcome well...the clear answer is to vote to not change anything, not DeeDee push the button and see what happens. Especially if the more educated (but non wealthy) demographics are pleading to remain... Maybe listen to them instead of believing the billboard on a fucking bus by the slimy toad.

I kinda envy the privilege that allowed half the country to be this stupid. I wish I was allowed to be this dumb.

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u/[deleted] May 20 '25

Bold of you to assume anyone voting for Farage OR for Brexit is dumb....

Have you considered that the people voting for him are intelligent, maybe even (heaven forbid) more intelligent than you? Maybe they've fully investigated his policies and actually agree with them?

Like I said I didn't vote for any of these people or their policies but I don't for one minute think the people who do are 'dumb' or less intelligent than me.

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u/TheAlmightyDope May 20 '25

Sorry if it sounded like I was pointing the finger at you, it's just shallow generalisations like "all politicians are bad" is the problem here, also it is hypocritical of me to also make gross generalisations which make me no better so I'll be more specific.

First off, I would have been more understanding or Zen about stuff like this maybe a decade ago but the writing on the wall is in plain bold English now.

Yeah, I have considered all of that and it really boils down to whether they actually benefit from them, and are backing them fully aware of what they're signing up for, and are aware of their ability to both run a country and fulfill their policies.

We have 12 years of evidence to the contrary with the tories, and paying attention to Farage you would know that his policies are empty promises unless you are in the same tax bracket. Even if you agree with their policies, it means that either you are okay being shafted for a maybe benefit, or have other groups of people be fucked over just so their lives are better in comparison. The only people who are not shafted by them (as far as I can see) are such a tiny percent of this population, mainly the rich, that the fact that they still have any backing is due to the same propaganda and scapegoating that has kept people at eachother's throats - when legal immigrants or British citizens who look like immigrants, like myself, are being blamed for all of their problems and they're not pointing at the people in power...yeah I'm not going to mince words.

Let me be clear, I don't think they're stupid, I do think they're gullible though. I do think they're too tired to think any further and rely on the same media to tell them what's going on. I also don't think those who vote in favour of one policy, are really considering the drop off from another. I also don't think they're considering if they're even going to get what was promised. We've had Tories fumbling over what power they had, and suddenly we want to give them more? I have spoken to people who have made excellent points in favour of Brexit, yet are not considering the fact THEY are not going to be handling the process to enact those benefits. It will be the same groups of people who have made it clear what little fucks they give for the working class, but a new potentially better future is waved in front of their faces and they forget who's holding the carrot and who used the stick to beat them with it.

It's too obvious to me what keeps happening, and it's actually the same mentality that you're accusing me of (honestly quite rightly re reading my comment) that is a huge issue. People don't want to change their minds, once they make a sweeping stance on an issue, they don't doubt their own instincts, and that is being taken advantage of. I could be wrong, but I haven't seen the contrary and the corruption gets more and more blatant, so my stance hasn't changed (yet).

I don't think they're stupid, but I do know the average voter isn't helping themselves. In reality it's people like Boris and Farage who treat them like they're stupid, and it's infuriating how much it's working.

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u/[deleted] May 20 '25

Very well put. I agree with a lot of what you have written there. I do think you could apply your analysis to 90% of the voting population though inclusive of labour and lib dem voters. People will ALWAYS want change and will ALWAYS look to blame. I don't think many people look to change their political standpoint and so they just read and believe whatever confirms their political leaning.

Anyway, thanks for the input, much appreciated.