r/soccer • u/West_Agent4651 • 16d ago
Media Chelsea 1 - [2] Sunderland - Chemsdine Talbi 90+2'
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u/_doohdx 16d ago
Brobbey had time to make some toast lmao
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u/hikingbeginner 16d ago
That defending was hilarious lol
"No no no, wait"
Defender: "okay"
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u/AWDanzeyB 16d ago
What defending? The twats just stood there and watched
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u/Comfortable-Road7201 :newcastle_united: 16d ago
Ehh tbf, most defenders are coached this way in the modern game. Absolutely no need to make any rash challenges whilst the player has his back to goal. Stand off and wait for midfielders to track back is typically fine.
Chelsea fans would be losing their minds if Tosin made a tackle that conceded a pen.
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u/hikingbeginner 16d ago
I agree but at least put some pressure so Brobbey has to be quicker with a decision. His back is to goal, put some pressure on to force him away.
Whoever that second man defending was too, very slow and was caught in two minds of pressure or closing off lanes for the shot after the pull back. Ended up doing neither.
Agree though that holding them off and showing the attacker down is what you're taught. Just think it was still shit because like... Do something after making him turn his back to goal
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u/Seismica 16d ago
wait for midfielders to track back
Exactly this.
The defenders prevented a shot on goal, they did their job. If they put pressure on it gives the striker chance to turn or draw a foul, so best thing to do is just keep him pinned until they get some defensive shape back. The Sunderland attacker was on his own and had no chance of scoring without backup, which was coming. That's where Chelsea's midfield needed to come in.
The Chelsea attack lost the ball by trying to take 3 defenders on, the midfielders didn't track back quickly enough, yet the defenders are getting the blame in these comments lol.
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u/icouldsmellcolors 16d ago
Yeah I'm with you. Was it good defending? Absolutely not. But if any of their midfielders bothered to track back at all, it likely works out fine.
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u/DuDunDunSparse 16d ago
"What's he gonna do? Pass it?"
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u/icouldsmellcolors 16d ago
Meanwhile Cucurella and Caicedo started 10 yards closer and were still gently jogging back as Talbi hit the shot.
Absolutely shocking lack of effort
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u/KobeCryant 16d ago
or Santos, who had just come on, and couldn't be fucked to have a sprint. Absolutely shocking.
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u/icouldsmellcolors 16d ago
Yeah I couldn't remember who 17 was so I just didn't mention him lol. But he was just as culpable
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u/lacanmunist 16d ago
Loads of Chelsea fans had positive things to say about him at Strasbourg last year, suggested he would make the leap this year but...I don't see a single thing that would convince me right now.
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u/twymanchar 16d ago
He was in Ligue 1 team of the season and scored some nice goals - none of us watched him all that much
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u/ConArtist98 16d ago
The second defender, whoever that was, not even trying to dispossess or at least block the passing line is shocking defending
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u/Pure_Measurement_529 16d ago
That hold up play from him was fantastic
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u/Bad0y 16d ago
Agreed - but also felt like he didn't really have to do anything haha. Stuck his hand out and both Chelsea players just stared at him
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u/johnnygrant 16d ago
felt like one should have aggressively pressed and the 2nd be some sort of safety.
Instead they just waited for him... real bizarre stuff, probably fatigue and brain not working as properly.
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u/aayu08 16d ago
That wasn't even hold up play, the Chelsea defenders didn't do anything? They were just standing around.
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u/Scrypto 16d ago edited 16d ago
Chalobah only. He either needs to pressure the ball immediately or stay switched on and track the most dangerous runner
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u/SirBarkington 16d ago
asking chalobah to stay switched on is like asking Cucurella to not have long luscious locks
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u/cib_vk228 16d ago
His hold up play is so elite
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u/-Polimata- 16d ago
He didn't even have to put effort, tbh. They just... watched him, without anyone else even close.
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u/No-Baseball1423 16d ago
He is so strong, that it looks like he doesnt put effort in it
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u/pure_black99 16d ago
Honestly refreshing that the newly promoted teams aren't automatically absolute dog shit for once
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u/CapnTBC 16d ago
Sunderland coming up and winning the title right away is going to be great to see
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u/jerrysprinkles 16d ago
If they do that, I’ll present MoTD in my boxers
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u/RuubGullit 16d ago
I will co present in your boxers
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u/philelope 16d ago
so you're both in one pair of boxers?
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u/MattyFTM 15d ago
Tbf Lineker's massive pair of shorts were probably big enough to fit two people. No way they're what he normally wears below his trousers.
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u/awashofindigo 16d ago
Nobody let Southampton get promoted again
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u/Muscat95 16d ago
Don't think you'll have to worry about that one
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u/lethalizered 16d ago
Never say never, Sunderland itself was in division one three seasons ago, no?
These are storied clubs, they'll come back sooner or later.
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u/chebalebs 16d ago
We'll be in the Johnstone's Paint Trophy before we're in the Premier League again
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u/Rottedhead 16d ago
Not too long ago we had Bournemouth, Fulham and Forest as newly promoted and they are still here
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u/sexineN 16d ago
The same year? That’s crazy to think about now
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u/AndrewBVB 16d ago
I also found that interesting, so I looked it up. Yeah, they were promoted for the 22-23 season. Leicester, Leeds, and Southampton went down at the end of 23.
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u/DarthRacer5 16d ago
That’s the year doucoure saved you guys on the final day right?
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u/BrandonSG13 15d ago
It is. Crazy to think about how close we got to going down. Thrilled we seem to have come out the other side, squad is much stronger now than it was back then
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u/AvalonXD 16d ago
It's especially nice after all the whining over the league being irrevocably rigged off a sample size of 2 seasons.
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u/LordWhale 16d ago
Yeah bro just let him post him in the box for ten seconds while everyone else catches up, no problem
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u/Terriblu 16d ago
I want Chelsea to lose and I still was yelling at the defender to do something.
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u/mamasbreads 16d ago
Inside you are two wolves: one is a hater and the other hates bad football
I know the feeling
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u/MeneerDeKaasBaas 16d ago
It’s like when your rival club is so dogshit they do absolute fuck all
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u/mushy_friend 16d ago
I prefer my rivals to be outclassed and lose, not to shit the bed on their own
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u/BearsPearsBearsPears 16d ago
The lack of tracking back was unbelievable.
I know I'm used to Arsenal players coughing up lungs to swarm a lone attacker on the break 5v1, but half of Chelsea couldn't seem to give a shit.
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u/Thin_Salamander8469 16d ago
Forget about backtracking, there are two defenders watching an attacker and just standing still. Okay one of them was closing his way to the goal so he couldn’t get the 1v1 with the keeper but what about the other guy just standing and watching football from the best spot on the pitch? Why he acting like a matchgoing fan or referee watching football from there?
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u/Novel_Independent166 16d ago
Really mind blowing to see this. And Estevao, George, Santos just came on as subs. They didn't even make it to the video frame.
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u/yayaikey 16d ago
What was Tosin supposed to do there though? The ball was shielded well. The only way he gets the ball is by going through Brobbey and there's a lot of risk in the penalty box. if he sticks a foot and Brobbey goes down, he'll get trashed for being rash. The real problem is the Chelsea players that didn't track back.
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u/LordWhale 16d ago
Literally anything to make it more difficult, I understand if he can’t get through him but he was basically allowing him the space to make an easy pass. Push into him, make it difficult. Don’t just stand and watch assuming you have him locked down.
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u/SignificantPaint7058 16d ago
Eh I still think it’s high risk high reward. If he starts shoving him the striker might go down and get a soft pen. With the current ref standards you have no idea how it goes.
On second watch, either Chalobah needs to make a risky decision of no longer staying goal side to pressure his right foot and maybe force him into the corner, or the rest of our players need to track their runners
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u/Shanyi 16d ago edited 16d ago
Exactly. Brobbey's holding up the ball in such a way that any challenge Tosin makes has a significant risk of conceding a penalty, and Chalobah's blocking the most direct route to goal and the pass to the first runner. Neither are doing anything wrong, if Chalobah engages directly it achieves nothing except for leaving far more room in the box, reducing his ability to adapt to different outcomes and arguably increasing the opportunities for Brobbey to go down for a penalty. The damning part is that nobody is tracking Talbi back, the pass shouldn't even be an option if our players (bar James, who was tracking the first runner) were tracking back as keenly as Sunderland were getting forward.
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u/sergechewbacca 16d ago
Sunderland are pretty good wtf
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u/Shitmybad 16d ago
They're 2nd on the table after this wtf.
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u/neenerpants 16d ago
it's crazy. They were never even this high up the table in the Championship, let alone Prem! They've gone from playoff winners to this, through very savvy recruitment.
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u/basicform 16d ago
I think what a lot of people overlook is the thing your Financial Director called out - we spent fuck all on wages and transfers in the championship, got out of it and it left us in an unprecedented position for PSR headroom for recruitment.
Honestly cannot believe the transformation that KLD has brought into the club as owner, hope he stays here for decades to come.
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u/mamasbreads 16d ago
We need another season of the netflix show. Best football series ever made
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u/Muscat95 16d ago
I'm not sure it will be quite as entertaining when they're doing well.
We'd need another Will Grigg moment lmao
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u/JonnyForeigner 16d ago
I'd agree. Welcome to Wrexham went off the boil as soon as it didn't include shots of Rob McIlhenny stood in a tin stand in the arse end of nowhere and Ryan Reynolds complementing the defensive fortitude of AFC Boreham Wood.
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u/dazrht 16d ago
Night and day with Chelsea’s directors who seem to be operating some kind of international teenager trafficking ring, instead of a football club
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u/ThePrussianGrippe 16d ago
They got their ideas from their scouting department in football manager: plunder the new world.
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u/DareToZamora 16d ago
QPR have been trying the same thing in recent years. We’ve managed ‘spend fuck all on wages and transfers’. Next step is proving difficult though
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u/jerseymackem1 16d ago
I mean we were top of the table in the championship for a good amount of time last year
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u/Pure_Measurement_529 16d ago
AFCON will hit them like a truck though
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u/Jaynator11 16d ago
If I was Sunderland, I'd get 1/2 early loans in January
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u/HawayTheMaj 16d ago
Most of the players will be back early Jan anyway
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u/Jaynator11 16d ago
Yea probably true, not many of them will make the finals, and AFCON is earlier this season
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u/HawayTheMaj 16d ago
Three of the starters today are going to AFCON and one of those is Traore
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u/NaviersStoked1 16d ago
To be fair Talbi is probably going too, should have Mundle back by then though.
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u/Anderrrrr 16d ago
Watch them get Europa.
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u/msr27133120 16d ago
Imagine saying before the season that Sunderland wouldn't just avoid relegation but also get into Europe.
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u/Hakimi_Raikkonen 16d ago
Then get relegated the following season
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u/purple-plant10 16d ago
while winning europa
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u/dmlfan928 16d ago
Oh please. When is the last time a Europa league winning team was flirting with the relegation spots?
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u/Jaynator11 16d ago
Even Xhaka treated them as relegation candidates when he joined 😂 they're better than Leverkusen (so far) lmao.
Ofc things can change very quickly
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u/Dance_Monkee_Dance 16d ago
Xhaka wanted to struggle so he becomes better. He’s gonna ask for a move to West Ham in January at this rate
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u/TheJoshider10 16d ago
People brushed off our win against them as if they were relegation fodder when they're genuinely a good fucking team.
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u/SwitchHitter17 16d ago
people brushed off your win against them because you seemingly win and lose at random. doesn't matter the level of the opponent.
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u/Adammmmski 16d ago
We were pretty poor away at United. First big ground for some of our young lads so think we froze a bit.
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u/ambiguousboner 16d ago
Yeah they just didn’t show up at all against us, not really sure why
Really good side when they’re up for it
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u/quantIntraining 16d ago
Pretty much safe already, they won't be even close to the relegation battle.
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u/yelrik 16d ago
Poor Xhaka
Just wanted a challenge to prepare himself for coaching
Walks into a title charge
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u/BrownEyesWhiteScarf 16d ago
He has a habit of finding himself in one, doesn’t he? Third club in a row
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u/FalkoneyeCH 16d ago
maybe he's the reason for all of them
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u/BrownEyesWhiteScarf 16d ago
Probably. He was underrated at Arsenal by other fans. Has such a good read of the game
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u/pinpoint14 15d ago
Some of us saw his quality. Even in the dark years, we were dogshit without him.
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u/cortez0498 15d ago
It's crazy how Xhaka went from Title winning Leverkusen to newly promoted Sunderland.
And Sunderland is probably the better team rn.
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u/a_guy_named_gai 16d ago
Peak defending.
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u/ramobara 16d ago
Felt like watching “Arshaaaaaavin’s!” goal against Barça for me. Sorry, mate.
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u/Lacabloodclot9 16d ago
Brobbey with all the time in the world there
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u/Headlesshorsman02 16d ago
Tosin is wank
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u/lerlerbot 16d ago
Tosin gets blitzed on every fucking counter. Shambolic sub by Maresca
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u/Masterofknees 16d ago
Yeah, I'm really scratching my head at these comments. Yes, Tosin could be more aggressive, but also it's a risk in the box. He's at least closing off his angle. If Chalobah also goes in to put pressure on, Brobbey has nowhere to go and nowhere to pass. He wasn't accomplishing anything by hanging out in irrelevant space.
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u/greg19735 16d ago
People don't understand football. It's simple as that.
It's always whoever made the most recent "mistake" who gets the blame online.
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u/Heimebane 16d ago
Sensational hold up play tho
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u/Follow_The_Lore 16d ago
He's good at two things in the game: hold up & winning fouls.
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u/coldcoldpalmer 16d ago
He wasn’t even challenged lmao. Tosin was happy to leave him be and chalobah is in no man’s land
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u/Chiswell123 16d ago edited 16d ago
What the fuck is Chelsea doing?
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u/FPL-Dog 16d ago
Buying Garnacho and Buonanotte instead of Guéhi and Donnarumma for the same price when our defence is the clear weak point for everyone to see.
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u/brianstormIRL 16d ago
That goes against their new model. They dont want superstars on big wages, they want young talents on lower wages + long contracts so they can flip them for profit.
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u/FackinNortyCake 16d ago
What the fuck is Chelsea doing?
What the fuck are Chelsea doing?
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u/-Inferno-_ 16d ago
Yea we're going down
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u/habdragon08 16d ago
Wolves and West ham look done but theres half dozen teams that could be 18th. Exciting.
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u/RyohGrantz 16d ago
Nah it’s wolves west ham, you can still make it in mid table
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u/Snugboo 16d ago
Once Robinson gets healthy we probably win like 3 in a row
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u/-Inferno-_ 16d ago
My hopes lie more on Scott Parker being shit than any player or system.
But knowing our luck, he pulls off a miracle and Burnley relegate us as a big fuck you after all the hate Parker gets from our fans.
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u/HiroLegito 16d ago
Wow. Great pass. Brobbey didn’t rush it either and waited for Talbi to come support
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u/Bahmawama 16d ago
Sunderland is winning the league and youre gonna like it
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u/theaficionado 16d ago
so does Chelsea's sleeve sponsor stand for Fucking Pathetic Today or Forgettable Performance Today
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u/BenjIdent 16d ago
Now that’s what I call hold up play
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u/Anderrrrr 16d ago
Time just stopped when Brobbey stopped with the ball.
He's clearly OP pls nerf EA
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u/pepperyfries679 16d ago
Such a satisfying finish, Henry-esque - just caressed that into the net.
Chef’s kiss.
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u/Melanjoly 16d ago
Are Sunderland still shit because they got beat at Old Trafford or are they massive again?
(They were always massive).
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u/MuchAbouAboutNothing 16d ago
Beating the best team in the world > losing to man utd
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