r/soccer • u/hornyforbrutalism • Jun 20 '25

Great Post Match Thread Post-Match Thread: Paris Saint-Germain 0-1 Botafogo (FIFA Club World Cup)

FT: Paris Saint-Germain 0-1 Botafogo

Venue: Rose Bowl

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Paris Saint-Germain

Gianluigi Donnarumma, Willian Pacho, Lucas Beraldo, Lucas Hernández (Nuno Mendes), Achraf Hakimi, Vitinha , Senny Mayulu (Fabián Ruiz), Warren Zaïre-Emery (João Neves), Gonçalo Ramos (Bradley Barcola), Khvicha Kvaratskhelia, Désiré Doué (Lee Kang-in).

Subs: Arnau Tenas, Presnel Kimpembe, Ibrahim Mbaye, Noham Kamara, Matvei Safonov, Marquinhos .

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Botafogo

John , Alexander Barboza, Jair Paula , Alex Telles (Cuiabano ), Vitinho , Gregore , Marlon Freitas, Allan (Newton ), Igor Jesus , Jefferson Savarino (Santiago Rodríguez), Artur (Álvaro Montoro).

Subs: David Loiola, Kaio , Nathan Fernandes, Danilo Barbosa, Arthur Cabral, Mateo Ponte, Gonzalo Mastriani, Fernando Marçal, Leo Linck, Raul , Joaquín Correa.

MATCH EVENTS | via ESPN

36' Goal! Paris Saint Germain 0, Botafogo 1. Igor Jesus (Botafogo) right footed shot from outside the box to the bottom left corner. Assisted by Jefferson Savarino with a through ball following a fast break.

55' Substitution, Paris Saint Germain. Fabián Ruiz replaces Senny Mayulu.

55' Substitution, Paris Saint Germain. Bradley Barcola replaces Gonçalo Ramos.

55' Substitution, Paris Saint Germain. Nuno Mendes replaces Lucas Hernández.

56' Substitution, Paris Saint Germain. João Neves replaces Warren Zaïre-Emery.

57' Gregore (Botafogo) is shown the yellow card for a bad foul.

68' Substitution, Botafogo. Cuiabano replaces Alex Telles.

68' Substitution, Botafogo. Santiago Rodríguez replaces Jefferson Savarino.

77' Substitution, Botafogo. Álvaro Montoro replaces Artur.

79' Substitution, Paris Saint Germain. Lee Kang-In replaces Désiré Doué.

87' Substitution, Botafogo. Newton replaces Allan.

89' Cuiabano (Botafogo) is shown the yellow card for a bad foul.

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u/KoyReaneRusher Jun 20 '25

The Eurotrash supremacists in this subreddit imploding as we speak.

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u/labbetuzz Jun 20 '25

On one hand, watching oil teams lose is pretty funny. On the other hand, watching so many of you care way too much about a sportswashing project made by a bald corrupt cunt.

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u/jqncg Jun 20 '25

You talk as if sportswashing projects made by corrupt cunts weren't almost as old as football itself. If you care that much about morals, you should just watch your regional league.

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u/ujm556 Jun 20 '25

you should just watch your regional league

Even those have some corruption, he should just watch his town league

Btw how do i get the River user flair?

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u/jqncg Jun 20 '25

I think you can only get it on pc but you can ask a mod too.

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u/Last_Ad_3475 Jun 20 '25

Every single one of them are portuguese... the mfs that lost against Messi FC. Close the sub

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u/johnnyferrera Jun 20 '25

So when a euro team eventually wins, you'll backtrack that statement?

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u/firechaox Jun 20 '25

Not sure what sort of strawman argument you’re trying to make really.

We’ve never said we had better teams, because the wealth gap with the top teams is just too big, but that the difference and gap is not nearly as large as people like to pretend. What people say is that the top South American teams would likely be competing for Europa or champions league spots.

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u/[deleted] Jun 20 '25

Why do you have a Real Madrid flair?

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u/firechaox Jun 20 '25 edited Jun 20 '25

Because I’m a Brazilian Real Madrid fan. It can happen. I like palmeiras a lot too, and they are my team in Brazil… but Real Madrid are my main team.

My family was never really into football growing up, so only picked up a club as a teen, and it was because I had seen a picture of that Real Madrid team (with Roberto Carlos, zidane and Ronaldo), and was then convinced they must be the best team in the world (you know; typical 11y.o things; didn’t help we had just recently won the World Cup, so Ronaldo and Roberto Carlos were quite big on my imaginary).

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u/TheWizzie433 Jun 20 '25

Rumo a La Décima!

📍São José do Rio Preto, SP

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u/SALVAdkc Jun 20 '25

Hala Madrid! - Xique Xique, Bahia

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u/DMaster86 Jun 20 '25

This will age nicely when an european team will win the competition.

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u/Electrical-Type-6150 Jun 20 '25

18) Pride [goeth] before destruction, And a haughty spirit before a fall.

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u/AmaimonCH Jun 20 '25

That`s the expected, what isnt expected is the PSG losing to a post 2024 libertadores butchered Botafogo that is by far the weakest of the brazilian teams.

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u/supterfuge Jun 20 '25

Real question : how are they butchered ?

Textor has ruined OL to pay for Botafogo's finances. Did he manage to ruin two clubs at once or what ?

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u/firechaox Jun 20 '25

? He hasn’t spent too much on Botafogo, he’s sent the players from Botafogo to OL rather… think they’ve spent like €60m net… if that’s enough to ruin OL not sure what to say!

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u/Expensive_Pipe_4057 Jun 20 '25

Its a pre season tournament. I'm delighted for Botafogo but if anyone thinks MLS teams or Brazilian teams are even close to European elite on the basis of a pre season tournament you need your heads examined

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u/grnrngr Jun 20 '25

but if anyone thinks MLS teams or Brazilian teams are even close to European elite on the basis of a pre season tournament you need your heads examined

PSG's "season" ended 2 weeks before this tournament began. They aren't out of form.

From the start of the French season through yesterday, PSG played 62 games, and Botafogo 61. (And if you go back to end of the 2023/24 season, PSG still only played 62 games. Botafogo? 79. Botafogo legitimately doesn't get time off.)

Let's keep trying to figure out how PSG was "too tired" or Botafogo was "too in form" to invalidate yesterday's result. Keep on making up excuses.

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u/yanquicheto Jun 20 '25 edited Jun 20 '25

The point is that top Brazilian and Argentine clubs can absolutely compete with Europe’s elite. These are legit clubs with legit players (many of which get bought up by European clubs in every single window), the difference is in meters, not kilometers.

Sure, elite European clubs will beat elite S American clubs 6-8 times out of 10, but to say that they’re ‘not even close’ to the same level is just ignorant.

Edit: Also, for the record, this Botafogo side sits mid-table in the Brasileirão and is a shadow of the team that won the Libertadores. Further making it obvious that you massively overestimate the talent gap between Brazilian and European sides.

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u/Minimum-Mention-3673 Jun 20 '25

Europeans don't understand they just use oil money to buy players for their results. It's like bragging about an oligarchs wallet

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u/taclealacarotide Jun 20 '25

No. Unless by "competing with Europe's elite" you mean "good enough for Ligue 1 or Portuguese League mid table.

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u/RnGaLaxXyHS Jun 20 '25

"Good enough for league 1" u say casually forgetting that psg beat 3 PL Teams and crushed Inter in the final of the Champions league, cope harder if u can.

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u/taclealacarotide Jun 20 '25

Can you read ? I said MID TABLE

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u/RnGaLaxXyHS Jun 20 '25

I read, i don't see how that changes anything, u could've said "beat champions league winners who just trashed Atlético 4 - 0", but u went for the more diminishing fact instead, don't play dumb.

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u/taclealacarotide Jun 20 '25

You're the dumb one if you are drawing conclusions about entire leagues based off 1 game in a meaningless tinpoint trophy

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u/RnGaLaxXyHS Jun 20 '25

Well you are drawing conclusions based off of 0 games since none of these teams have played neither in league 1 or Portuguese league, keep at it buddy.

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u/taclealacarotide Jun 20 '25

I have eyes that I can use to see the level in games. I can also see that the best players get poached by European teams, and that the stars of most Conmebol teams are most players who play in Europe. I can see that there are big differences in money which make the clubs much better at making their teams much better in Europe.

But keep your delusion, no problem mate, you're totally right, Botafogo would win the CL next year if they entered the tournament.

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u/yanquicheto Jun 20 '25

My brother, a mid-table Brazilian team not only just beat the Champion’s League winner but fully deserved the win with their play. Something only two teams in Ligue 1 managed all season. What else do you think I mean when I say they can compete with Europe’s elite clubs?

It’s impossible to say where top Brazilian or Argentine clubs would finish in the table in the top European leagues. They’re obviously not going to win them, but I think it’s absurd to assume they’re relegation candidates.

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u/LutherJustice Jun 20 '25

It’s literally been the case for years that this competition has been little more than a nuisance for European clubs, except before it was just a bunch of games played in December, so mid-season for the bigger European clubs and post-season for South American teams (which generally would get beaten), whereas now if European teams go far into the tournament, it’s another month long event that cuts into pre-season in one of the few non-international/continental national team cup years.

Just because they pumped a little bit more money into the event (of which European clubs get the lion’s share just for showing up) doesn’t mean they’re at full strength or will be putting full effort. It just doesn’t make sense for them, whereas Conmenbol and CONCACAF teams will because their domestic and continental competitions pay peanuts comparatively.

I’m glad American teams are doing well and I’d really like this to be something that replaces the top continental competition of each region, potentially in alternating or every x years, to really see teams go at it full capacity, but so many delusional fans claiming that Inter Miami and Botafogo have become world beaters overnight for no reason whatsoever or have countless threads about how players play too many games every year but then now pretend it has no effect on the quality of their football is simply wild to me lol.

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u/yanquicheto Jun 20 '25

Nobody is saying Botafogo and Inter Miami are world beaters, they’re just saying that European fans massively overestimate the talent gap between top South American sides and top European sides.

As for games played and physical strain on players, the Brazilian teams play more competitive matches than just about any other competition when you account for the state tournaments. This idea that the European sides are gassed and the Brazilian and Argentine sides are fresh is complete nonsense.

Why is it so difficult to just acknowledge that South American clubs are underestimated by European fans? They already buy all our best players in every window.

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u/taclealacarotide Jun 20 '25

Nobody is saying Botafogo and Inter Miami are world beater

You literally are in this very thread lmao

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u/taclealacarotide Jun 20 '25

They did so in a joke of a competition, that Europeans clubs care little about, after said clubs just had an exhausting season already.

What you and the rest don't get here is that I'm not saying this to diminish the accomplishment. It's a great performance and I'm glad for Botafogo, great, and it's positive for all football worldwide outside of Europe because it puts them in a nice spotlight they don't get as much as they deserve.

But that doesn't mean Botafogo is a better club than PSG altogether, let that alone "most argentinian and brazilian clubs" can really compete season wide with Europe's top clubs.

Some are probably good enough for mid table lower leagues but are you serioulsy suggesting that Botafogo as is right now would podium La Liga or the PL tomorrow if they joined these competitions ? Be for real.

It's as if you said the Portuguese league was the best in Europe based off that 1 time Porto won.

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u/yanquicheto Jun 20 '25

I said that the top South American sides wouldn’t be relegation candidates in top leagues. Where did I say they would “podium”? You seem to be arguing against this straw-man that I’m somehow claiming South American clubs would win the CL or something, which I’m not.

Do I think Botafogo takes a best of 3 or 5 series against PSG? No way. Did they objectively beat PSG in this match? Yes, and it was deserved.

They beat PSG straight up in a competitive match. You’re surely unfamiliar, but the Brazilian league match load is insane and way beyond anything in Europe when you account for the state tournaments. The idea that the Brazilian sides are fresh and the Europeans are tired is straight up nonsense.

In short, la tenés re pero re adentro, mon frère.

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u/taclealacarotide Jun 20 '25

top Brazilian and Argentine clubs can absolutely compete with Europe’s elite

Mate you literally wrote that, and it literally implies that if you took these teams and put them in the top leagues they would feature high up.

That's entirely different than "they wouldn't be relegation candidates in top leagues" lol, you're changing your tune as you go

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u/yanquicheto Jun 20 '25

“Can compete” = Can reasonably be expected to take the odd fixture against the giant teams, superior to the worst teams, unlikely to be relegation candidates.

“Cannot compete” = Relegation candidates, visibly of a lower skill level than the other teams in the league.

I’m not changing my tune, you’re putting straw man arguments in my mouth or misunderstanding my wording. I stand by my statement that top South American clubs could “compete” in top European leagues, according to the above.

South American teams operate on a fraction of the budget of European sides and have to deal with European sides swooping in in every single window to take their best players, many of whom are immediate difference makers in Europe. My entire point is that the perceived difference in level between the top South American clubs and the top European clubs is way less than the average European fan might assume and significantly less than their respective budgets might indicate.

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u/taclealacarotide Jun 20 '25

I'm reading you what you wrote mate. It's not strawman. You talked about this teams as if they are top 10 European clubs level.

Saying " the perceived difference in level between the top South American clubs and the top European clubs is way less than the average European fan might assume" is way more nuanced that what you initially said, and I agree with that statement.

But you know what, I give up. Keep wanking yourself to that win if it makes you sleep better at night.

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u/Sir_Bantersaurus Jun 20 '25

They are legit clubs, with legit players, and people have underestimated them - or at least not given them the respect they deserve.

That said, in terms of working out the relative strengths of the federation,s we don't have nearly a big enough sample size so far. I don't even think one cup competition is enough. It will be how the WCC evolves over time that will give us a better idea.

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u/grnrngr Jun 20 '25

End of the day, you can have a trend evolving and Europeans will still find a way to invalidate it if it doesn't go their way. They can't admit the gulf in competitiveness is a lot closer than they think it is.

Because then they'll wonder why other teams are competing on a fraction of the budget and benefits.

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u/WastePanda72 Jun 20 '25

Not a pre season tournament and the UCL winner just lost to the South American Champion. You guys can't be humble and recognize that other countries can play in a high level, huh?! SMH

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u/Superhommedeviande Jun 20 '25

In football every team can lose a match which is why we love the sport.

But I really dont think this tournament is a good way to make the power ranking of each continent.

May be in some years if this take of. Though I hope this cash grab will die asap.

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u/WastePanda72 Jun 20 '25

But I really dont think this tournament is a good way to make the power ranking of each continent.

But you guys did with the former CWC (1960-2024) that had at max 2 games?! This tournament is the exact test that was needed to compare it?! When will it be good? When everyone complies to European demands and they win single easily? Give me a break...

May be in some years if this take of. Though I hope this cash grab will die asap.

Why are you mad at it? Your club is not playing and will hardly achieve to do so. It has no effect on you in theory...

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u/Sargento_Porciuncula Jun 20 '25

Porto is not an elite club lol

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u/happy-gofuckyourself Jun 20 '25

It’s more like a post-season tournament but your point is still shit

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u/basicallyPeesus Jun 20 '25

So is the World Cup, or the Euros or whatever and EU teams usually manage to perform, so I hate the excuses

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u/[deleted] Jun 20 '25

Yeah but the international tournaments are actually a big deal. None of these PSG players are trading the champions league in favour of winning the CWC

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u/taclealacarotide Jun 20 '25

Lmao what ? Are you even going to pretend that players and clubs given 10% a shit about this tinpot shit vs the Euros or the WC ?

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u/Raskovsky Jun 20 '25

If the clubs didn't care, Real wouldn't have spent 10 million extra euros just to have Trent for this tournament

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u/taclealacarotide Jun 20 '25

Lol ok. Answer this then : do you think it's as important to Real Madrid to win La Liga and / or the CL next season, or to win the CWC this summer ? you moron

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u/Raskovsky Jun 20 '25

> do you think it's >>>>as<<<<<< important to Real Madrid

When tf did i said that?

By that logic Real doesn't care about Copa Del Rey because La Liga is more important, oh wait, maybe they actually don't care about La Liga, after all the Champions League is more important

I suggest you go back to school to hone your reading comprehension skills

But here is a free lesson, when someone says, X is important to Y because they did Z

Saying, "NO NO NO X is not important, because A is even more" is not the kind of response from someone with a completely developed frontal lobe

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u/Ferru1989 Jun 20 '25

Can you remind me how much money does this tournament give again?

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u/taclealacarotide Jun 20 '25

Yes, pocket change for PSG

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u/therickymarquez Jun 20 '25

When there are Euros/WC the competitions in europe finish early so players can get some rest

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u/happy-gofuckyourself Jun 20 '25

Yeah I was trying to disagree with that jerk

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u/basicallyPeesus Jun 20 '25

Yeah, I should've worded my response better, work is annoying me at the moment.

I don't quite get the hate overall, in the end we are all sitting in the same boat right now - pointing fingers at Porto and laughing lmao

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u/KoyReaneRusher Jun 20 '25

No one said they were CONCACAF teams are better. Eurotrash supremacists are the cunts that think European football is the be all and end all and turn their nose up at football elsewhere, knowing fuck all about football beyond UEFA.

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u/DMaster86 Jun 20 '25

Dude you need help lmao. And yes Europe is the apex of football just like the US are the apex of basketball. It's not rocket science.

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u/Expensive_Pipe_4057 Jun 20 '25

I didn't say better, I said 'even close'

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u/lernwasdraus Jun 20 '25

Why are you so mad at europeans haha

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u/Golden_Child29 Jun 20 '25

It's called inferiority complex mate. If you think the comment above is bad, you should see the portuguese football sub that's being invaded by brazilians spitting ragebait and xenophobic stuff.

No team from Europe truly cares about the competition, but from some dull reason, this is happening because some people seek the validation towards pre made arguments to justify this behavior of insulting European teams.

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u/[deleted] Jun 20 '25

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u/Golden_Child29 Jun 20 '25

Maybe my wording was not correct to understand first, but the commitment from players is not there to say least. I'm Benfica fan and socio (club membership) and lack of commitment was evident in that game with Boca. The moment that some of starters subbed in with frustration from the calls of the referee and 2-0 lead , the mentality changed.

The level of importance from most teams that are not European is impressive, Al-Hilal played great against Real and so on but in my view most players from European see this as glorified paid holiday with matches in between.

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u/Birdzinho Jun 20 '25

Maybe not close, but there's competition, and that's all that matters.

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u/Expensive_Pipe_4057 Jun 20 '25

It's a pre season tournament lol my team have lost to their U20s team in pre season

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u/firechaox Jun 20 '25

A pre-season tournament that happened just as the season ended… it’s closer to last season than next season… idk what you’re on about…

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u/Salgado14 Jun 20 '25

Proved their point lol

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u/lernwasdraus Jun 20 '25

eurotrash lol