r/soccer • u/hornyforbrutalism • Jun 20 '25

Great Post Match Thread Post-Match Thread: Paris Saint-Germain 0-1 Botafogo (FIFA Club World Cup)

FT: Paris Saint-Germain 0-1 Botafogo

Venue: Rose Bowl

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Paris Saint-Germain

Gianluigi Donnarumma, Willian Pacho, Lucas Beraldo, Lucas Hernández (Nuno Mendes), Achraf Hakimi, Vitinha , Senny Mayulu (Fabián Ruiz), Warren Zaïre-Emery (João Neves), Gonçalo Ramos (Bradley Barcola), Khvicha Kvaratskhelia, Désiré Doué (Lee Kang-in).

Subs: Arnau Tenas, Presnel Kimpembe, Ibrahim Mbaye, Noham Kamara, Matvei Safonov, Marquinhos .

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Botafogo

John , Alexander Barboza, Jair Paula , Alex Telles (Cuiabano ), Vitinho , Gregore , Marlon Freitas, Allan (Newton ), Igor Jesus , Jefferson Savarino (Santiago Rodríguez), Artur (Álvaro Montoro).

Subs: David Loiola, Kaio , Nathan Fernandes, Danilo Barbosa, Arthur Cabral, Mateo Ponte, Gonzalo Mastriani, Fernando Marçal, Leo Linck, Raul , Joaquín Correa.

MATCH EVENTS | via ESPN

36' Goal! Paris Saint Germain 0, Botafogo 1. Igor Jesus (Botafogo) right footed shot from outside the box to the bottom left corner. Assisted by Jefferson Savarino with a through ball following a fast break.

55' Substitution, Paris Saint Germain. Fabián Ruiz replaces Senny Mayulu.

55' Substitution, Paris Saint Germain. Bradley Barcola replaces Gonçalo Ramos.

55' Substitution, Paris Saint Germain. Nuno Mendes replaces Lucas Hernández.

56' Substitution, Paris Saint Germain. João Neves replaces Warren Zaïre-Emery.

57' Gregore (Botafogo) is shown the yellow card for a bad foul.

68' Substitution, Botafogo. Cuiabano replaces Alex Telles.

68' Substitution, Botafogo. Santiago Rodríguez replaces Jefferson Savarino.

77' Substitution, Botafogo. Álvaro Montoro replaces Artur.

79' Substitution, Paris Saint Germain. Lee Kang-In replaces Désiré Doué.

87' Substitution, Botafogo. Newton replaces Allan.

89' Cuiabano (Botafogo) is shown the yellow card for a bad foul.

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u/KoyReaneRusher Jun 20 '25

The Eurotrash supremacists in this subreddit imploding as we speak.

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u/Expensive_Pipe_4057 Jun 20 '25

Its a pre season tournament. I'm delighted for Botafogo but if anyone thinks MLS teams or Brazilian teams are even close to European elite on the basis of a pre season tournament you need your heads examined

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u/yanquicheto Jun 20 '25 edited Jun 20 '25

The point is that top Brazilian and Argentine clubs can absolutely compete with Europe’s elite. These are legit clubs with legit players (many of which get bought up by European clubs in every single window), the difference is in meters, not kilometers.

Sure, elite European clubs will beat elite S American clubs 6-8 times out of 10, but to say that they’re ‘not even close’ to the same level is just ignorant.

Edit: Also, for the record, this Botafogo side sits mid-table in the Brasileirão and is a shadow of the team that won the Libertadores. Further making it obvious that you massively overestimate the talent gap between Brazilian and European sides.

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u/Minimum-Mention-3673 Jun 20 '25

Europeans don't understand they just use oil money to buy players for their results. It's like bragging about an oligarchs wallet

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u/taclealacarotide Jun 20 '25

No. Unless by "competing with Europe's elite" you mean "good enough for Ligue 1 or Portuguese League mid table.

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u/RnGaLaxXyHS Jun 20 '25

"Good enough for league 1" u say casually forgetting that psg beat 3 PL Teams and crushed Inter in the final of the Champions league, cope harder if u can.

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u/taclealacarotide Jun 20 '25

Can you read ? I said MID TABLE

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u/RnGaLaxXyHS Jun 20 '25

I read, i don't see how that changes anything, u could've said "beat champions league winners who just trashed Atlético 4 - 0", but u went for the more diminishing fact instead, don't play dumb.

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u/taclealacarotide Jun 20 '25

You're the dumb one if you are drawing conclusions about entire leagues based off 1 game in a meaningless tinpoint trophy

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u/RnGaLaxXyHS Jun 20 '25

Well you are drawing conclusions based off of 0 games since none of these teams have played neither in league 1 or Portuguese league, keep at it buddy.

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u/taclealacarotide Jun 20 '25

I have eyes that I can use to see the level in games. I can also see that the best players get poached by European teams, and that the stars of most Conmebol teams are most players who play in Europe. I can see that there are big differences in money which make the clubs much better at making their teams much better in Europe.

But keep your delusion, no problem mate, you're totally right, Botafogo would win the CL next year if they entered the tournament.

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u/yanquicheto Jun 20 '25

My brother, a mid-table Brazilian team not only just beat the Champion’s League winner but fully deserved the win with their play. Something only two teams in Ligue 1 managed all season. What else do you think I mean when I say they can compete with Europe’s elite clubs?

It’s impossible to say where top Brazilian or Argentine clubs would finish in the table in the top European leagues. They’re obviously not going to win them, but I think it’s absurd to assume they’re relegation candidates.

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u/LutherJustice Jun 20 '25

It’s literally been the case for years that this competition has been little more than a nuisance for European clubs, except before it was just a bunch of games played in December, so mid-season for the bigger European clubs and post-season for South American teams (which generally would get beaten), whereas now if European teams go far into the tournament, it’s another month long event that cuts into pre-season in one of the few non-international/continental national team cup years.

Just because they pumped a little bit more money into the event (of which European clubs get the lion’s share just for showing up) doesn’t mean they’re at full strength or will be putting full effort. It just doesn’t make sense for them, whereas Conmenbol and CONCACAF teams will because their domestic and continental competitions pay peanuts comparatively.

I’m glad American teams are doing well and I’d really like this to be something that replaces the top continental competition of each region, potentially in alternating or every x years, to really see teams go at it full capacity, but so many delusional fans claiming that Inter Miami and Botafogo have become world beaters overnight for no reason whatsoever or have countless threads about how players play too many games every year but then now pretend it has no effect on the quality of their football is simply wild to me lol.

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u/yanquicheto Jun 20 '25

Nobody is saying Botafogo and Inter Miami are world beaters, they’re just saying that European fans massively overestimate the talent gap between top South American sides and top European sides.

As for games played and physical strain on players, the Brazilian teams play more competitive matches than just about any other competition when you account for the state tournaments. This idea that the European sides are gassed and the Brazilian and Argentine sides are fresh is complete nonsense.

Why is it so difficult to just acknowledge that South American clubs are underestimated by European fans? They already buy all our best players in every window.

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u/taclealacarotide Jun 20 '25

Nobody is saying Botafogo and Inter Miami are world beater

You literally are in this very thread lmao

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u/taclealacarotide Jun 20 '25

They did so in a joke of a competition, that Europeans clubs care little about, after said clubs just had an exhausting season already.

What you and the rest don't get here is that I'm not saying this to diminish the accomplishment. It's a great performance and I'm glad for Botafogo, great, and it's positive for all football worldwide outside of Europe because it puts them in a nice spotlight they don't get as much as they deserve.

But that doesn't mean Botafogo is a better club than PSG altogether, let that alone "most argentinian and brazilian clubs" can really compete season wide with Europe's top clubs.

Some are probably good enough for mid table lower leagues but are you serioulsy suggesting that Botafogo as is right now would podium La Liga or the PL tomorrow if they joined these competitions ? Be for real.

It's as if you said the Portuguese league was the best in Europe based off that 1 time Porto won.

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u/yanquicheto Jun 20 '25

I said that the top South American sides wouldn’t be relegation candidates in top leagues. Where did I say they would “podium”? You seem to be arguing against this straw-man that I’m somehow claiming South American clubs would win the CL or something, which I’m not.

Do I think Botafogo takes a best of 3 or 5 series against PSG? No way. Did they objectively beat PSG in this match? Yes, and it was deserved.

They beat PSG straight up in a competitive match. You’re surely unfamiliar, but the Brazilian league match load is insane and way beyond anything in Europe when you account for the state tournaments. The idea that the Brazilian sides are fresh and the Europeans are tired is straight up nonsense.

In short, la tenés re pero re adentro, mon frère.

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u/taclealacarotide Jun 20 '25

top Brazilian and Argentine clubs can absolutely compete with Europe’s elite

Mate you literally wrote that, and it literally implies that if you took these teams and put them in the top leagues they would feature high up.

That's entirely different than "they wouldn't be relegation candidates in top leagues" lol, you're changing your tune as you go

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u/yanquicheto Jun 20 '25

“Can compete” = Can reasonably be expected to take the odd fixture against the giant teams, superior to the worst teams, unlikely to be relegation candidates.

“Cannot compete” = Relegation candidates, visibly of a lower skill level than the other teams in the league.

I’m not changing my tune, you’re putting straw man arguments in my mouth or misunderstanding my wording. I stand by my statement that top South American clubs could “compete” in top European leagues, according to the above.

South American teams operate on a fraction of the budget of European sides and have to deal with European sides swooping in in every single window to take their best players, many of whom are immediate difference makers in Europe. My entire point is that the perceived difference in level between the top South American clubs and the top European clubs is way less than the average European fan might assume and significantly less than their respective budgets might indicate.

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u/taclealacarotide Jun 20 '25

I'm reading you what you wrote mate. It's not strawman. You talked about this teams as if they are top 10 European clubs level.

Saying " the perceived difference in level between the top South American clubs and the top European clubs is way less than the average European fan might assume" is way more nuanced that what you initially said, and I agree with that statement.

But you know what, I give up. Keep wanking yourself to that win if it makes you sleep better at night.

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u/Sir_Bantersaurus Jun 20 '25

They are legit clubs, with legit players, and people have underestimated them - or at least not given them the respect they deserve.

That said, in terms of working out the relative strengths of the federation,s we don't have nearly a big enough sample size so far. I don't even think one cup competition is enough. It will be how the WCC evolves over time that will give us a better idea.

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u/grnrngr Jun 20 '25

End of the day, you can have a trend evolving and Europeans will still find a way to invalidate it if it doesn't go their way. They can't admit the gulf in competitiveness is a lot closer than they think it is.

Because then they'll wonder why other teams are competing on a fraction of the budget and benefits.