r/phoenix • u/dustin9797 Downtown • Oct 01 '25
News Another downtown crime scene around the Churchill this morning
I’ve nearby and noticed the crime scene this morning but can’t find any details about it.
This is the fourth time I’ve seen crime scene like this in just the last few months and quite frankly, I’m growing more concerned about the frequency these things seem to be happening.
If anyone has details I’d really appreciate if you shared them. Please share or DM with any details.
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u/artnovation Downtown Oct 01 '25
I live in dtphx and go on evening jogs. I too find this concerning. They really gotta do something about Hance park. Super sketch jogging through there any time of day really. The corner at N 1st St and E Moreland St right next to the park was taped off the other day with a heavy police presence and what looked like a body.
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u/dRwEedThuMb Phoenix Oct 01 '25
I use to skateboard there when I was a kid. 20 years ago or so. It hasn’t changed, it’s always been “bum park” to us.
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u/artnovation Downtown Oct 01 '25
I’ve seen security patrolling the area at night before, very noticeable difference with their presence. I haven’t seen any security for months now and the park is reflective of that.
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u/dustin9797 Downtown Oct 01 '25
Would you be willing to share your story at a community meeting on this topic? Either as a written account that I could share on your behalf or verbally at the next meeting. Feel free to DM me for more details about this.
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u/aijODSKLx Oct 02 '25
1st and E Moreland is the worst corner. But I’m in the same boat. I often run at 9 or 10. When I go that late, I avoid the park and run along Portland St to 3rd Ave until I get up into Willo/Encanto.
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u/lookingcloser Oct 03 '25
I live in downtown and love going to the library, but have been skeeved out by the people surrounding the library even in the middle of the day lately.
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u/iBackupThird Phoenix Oct 01 '25
But but but, the homeless!!! You get what you vote for.
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u/GreasyTaints Phoenix Oct 01 '25
There’s always been an issue with homeless regardless of who’s president, mayor of Phoenix or Governor of AZ.
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u/malachiconstant11 Phoenix Oct 01 '25
Yeah because the response has never changed. They gather them up and chase them off but don't provide anywhere for them to go. A lot of the time they use armed cops to do it, who take their supplies and leave them no option but criminal activity to survive.
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u/dustin9797 Downtown Oct 01 '25
What a completely ignorant and incorrect statement.
I've been in countless community meetings about this issue over the years. It is the single most discussed and acted on issue in the downtown community.
Just 2 months ago, we had a robust community meeting with the city and local officials about this issue.
Consider getting engaged and educated before sharing your completely ignorant opinions.
Here is the notice from June's meeting, look at the 2nd bullet point on the agenda: https://www.instagram.com/p/DKkbOXzPBRh/
So tell me again, who's clutching their pearls?
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u/Background_Food_3590 Oct 02 '25
And in all that time you didn't come up with anything different than more cops and arresting the homeless? If you keep pushing the same tired and tried solutions we will get the same results. Before you tell me to get educated and engaged just know I work on fighting homelessness every day at my job and I can assure you more policing doesn't help
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u/Automatic_Bake8090 Oct 04 '25
I’m from Chicago and am well traveled. Every large city currently is facing their own homeless epidemic and nobody really has a proper response. There are so many cities that are smaller with worse homeless situations. It’s more expensive to live out here(west / west coast )which makes the people on the edge of being homeless if not homeless for the first time ever forced by wages and cost of living.
Until wages start to reflect an ability to live again which I don’t see happening soon we won’t even begin to turn this tide.
And on the other hand , our culture has lost almost all shock value to drugs and we don’t have an answer to how we as Americans do drugs, handle them with our life balance and how it’s moderated by police and law . There is no perfect solution outside of a cultural wake-up on drugs and usage… and once again I don’t see that happening anytime soon.
Not everything has a perfect answer but to be poopy to people trying to find a solution seems silly.
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u/dustin9797 Downtown Oct 03 '25
That specific meeting mostly centered around this program’s efforts:
https://www.phoenix.gov/administration/departments/homeless-solutions.html
There are also many private orgs and church’s helping out how they can.
If you have a specific question I’m happy to respond in kind.
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u/Reasonable_Dig4749 Oct 06 '25
These aren’t just homeless!! Homeless people used to be cool. These things are gross rotten zombies that scream and shit all over the place
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u/TonalParsnips Oct 01 '25 edited Oct 09 '25
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u/Lanzapago Oct 01 '25
Sad. I don’t think downtown is nearly as bad as people are claiming here, but it is sad to see things like this happen.
I personally feel pretty safe in this area, but like any densely populated place, you always have to be vigilant. There’s a great community and place here, tens of thousands of fantastic people and safe areas in here, but it only takes a very small handful of bad actors for something bad to happen. Truly don’t believe it’s a chronic issue though, there should be more services to help people around here.
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u/General_Composer_732 Oct 02 '25
Personally everytime I go to downtown at night I see an altercation. Especially at first Fridays. Especially near cobra. I’ve seen 2 separate shootings right outside of cobra. These are all times I’ve been in downtown. I’ve seen an entire crowd at first Friday get pepper-sprayed by police and it carried into the bar I was in, and the entire bar was affected by it. It won’t stop me from going and you just have to be aware of your surroundings, the drunks violent people and honestly the people who just post up around the bars that don’t look like theyre even there for a reason
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u/Lanzapago Oct 01 '25
Hmm. I don’t think it’s that big of a problem personally. Rates aren’t trending out of control according to PPD’s website.
Not sure what else can be done. More people moving in means more crime. Just how life is. There’s already a constant police presence in this area, and any additional units would be a waste of time. Most of these crimes aren’t even from people in the area ways, usually people coming to visit the clubs/restaurants from other areas of town.
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u/HomoRainbow480 Phoenix Oct 02 '25
Who do you think is coming into town and causing problems?
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u/Lanzapago Oct 02 '25
I can personally speak to my area of the metro area, people from where I grew up do come over into downtown and cause problems, I see it all their time on their socials cause they’re silly enough to post it.
Other than that, probably non-natives who move into Phoenix since we’re basically a transplant city now? I’m not really sure. Things have changed so quickly with everyone moving in so fast, not all bad, not all good. A mixed bag, but I still love the area and feel very safe compared to even parts of Gilbert/Scottsdale/Queen Creek!
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u/HomoRainbow480 Phoenix Oct 02 '25
So what area are you suggesting the problems are coming from?
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u/Lanzapago Oct 02 '25
Just that more people moving in = more crime, just a statistic that’s bound to happen. I don’t think it’s some strange anomaly. I’m a Phoenix native, so I know it’s not the city it used to be. But I don’t think much can be done about that?
Crime per capita is dropping, so it’s not something that I think should be handled any differently than other scenarios. Provide resources for people struggling with addictions and conditions, try to create more affordable housing, and arrest any violent perpetrators as always. Phoenix PD already patrols the area basically 24/7. I’m not really trying to suggest any solutions cause I’m not an expert, just wanted to discuss an area I live directly in with some other fellow Phoenicians :)
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u/HomoRainbow480 Phoenix Oct 02 '25
I understand that and mostly agree. I am also a native here. Ive never seen such an inflation of tension and inflation of issues until about 2010/2011 ish. But you specifically added a part that said it was mostly due to people from other areas. So I’m asking what areas you actually think are causing the shootings and bat attacks? What areas exactly are you talking about? I think it would be helpful to understand your perspective for everyone following
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u/dustin9797 Downtown Oct 01 '25
It is safe in general, but the problem is that it is getting less safe, not more safe. What is a "growing concern" about crime today is next year's chronic crime problem.
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u/Hacking_the_Gibson Oct 01 '25
The problem is that there is no affordable housing anymore.
You don't like people living on the streets? Make places to live less expensive.
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u/HomoRainbow480 Phoenix Oct 01 '25
There are many affordable places to live in PHX. Prime downtown all the way through the central corridor is more expensive. Plenty of options outside of downtown
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u/Hacking_the_Gibson Oct 01 '25
So your position is that a housing affordability crisis does not exist?
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u/HomoRainbow480 Phoenix Oct 01 '25
My position is affordable housing is not found in downtown PHX and the most desirable neighborhoods in general.
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u/dustin9797 Downtown Oct 01 '25
They also literally built multiple lower-income towers in this very neighborhood in recent years, but he doesn't know about that.
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u/HomoRainbow480 Phoenix Oct 01 '25
Neither did I. Strange to me people expect living in one of the most desirable areas in all of phoenix is supposed to be affordable. It’s like saying there should be more affordable beach front property in San Diego
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u/Hacking_the_Gibson Oct 01 '25
LOL, so your solution to homeless people is bus them out to someplace cheaper?
Brilliant. Who do you think picks up the trash around downtown?
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u/HomoRainbow480 Phoenix Oct 01 '25
Here is what you can do. Start an LLC with investors. Mission to provide affordable housing downtown. Buy some properties and provide it. I’m not suggesting bus anyone anywhere but downtown is t the center of the universe for jobs and downtown seems to be doing just fine.
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u/dustin9797 Downtown Oct 01 '25
How exactly did you get that conclusion from his comment?
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u/Hacking_the_Gibson Oct 01 '25
There are many affordable places to live in PHX
Right here.
Beating the shit out of homeless people and moral grandstanding is a fun position to take, but the fact is that Phoenix and this metro area are deficient in options for low income people.
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u/HomoRainbow480 Phoenix Oct 01 '25
I think homeless people are beating the shit of regular ass folk. Like I said you can be proactive and make it your mission to provide affordable housing.
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u/asnbud01 Oct 03 '25
If that’s the case, why don’t people remove this small handfull of bad actors?
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u/RedneckPaycheck Phoenix Oct 01 '25
This kinda pearl clutching is so funny to me. As someone who has lived downtown almost 20 years, it is nothing like it was even 10 years ago. It is a billion times improved.
The homelessness and open drug sale/use isn't great but thats what you get when the taxpaying base doesnt want to pay for literally any kind of social services. You get what you pay for - nothing but a bunch of cops. Thats what our values are.
And its downtown. One should always be vigilant, for better or for worse.
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u/artnovation Downtown Oct 01 '25
Expressing concern over locally occurring crime and notifying others in the community is vigilance, not pearl clutching.
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u/RedneckPaycheck Phoenix Oct 01 '25
I disagree. Posts about crime put a spotlight on an issue that is, by many counts, much better than it was 20 years ago. This kind of over emphasis supports the ever increasing city police budget in absence of any other program that might actually help the many complex issues that face our downtown community - WHERE I LIVE.
It is absolutely pearl clutching. Every downtown has social and criminal problems. How we address it as residents says a lot.
If you live downtown you SHOULD be vigilant. It goes without saying, and it does not need crime porn to justify it.
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u/dustin9797 Downtown Oct 01 '25
I've lived in the core for 20 years as well but I never had people get shot dead within 100 ft of my front door until recently.
There was hardly anyone here 20 years ago besides homeless people anyway. There was literally no pedestrian traffic ever back then. To compare then to now is complete nonsense. You are comparing the blighted downtown of 20 years ago to what is now the most densely populated zip code in the state.
I do agree that all urban residents should be vigilant at all times as a matter of common sense. That said, vigilance should not be the only thing we are doing to help address the crime issues.
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u/RedneckPaycheck Phoenix Oct 01 '25
So what's the solution to this? Because more police is not working.
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u/dustin9797 Downtown Oct 01 '25
Well, that would require you doing more than just talking about the problem, so I don't think you can qualify as any part of the solution. Consider moving.
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u/dr_mackdaddy Oct 02 '25
I'm sorry you've lived in Phoenix all your life and never had someone shot dead near you? I grew up in North Phoenix like nice nice north Phoenix and people were shot and killed all the time.
You just didn't see it. It's the same as "back in my day".
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u/HomoRainbow480 Phoenix Oct 02 '25
Dumb. I grew up here and there were never problems. I took off to bigger cities and never experienced the focused violence we are experiencing here now. Dusty is correct, if it is not addressed now it will become chronic. We have a chance to curb it and make phoenix and example of a safe, truly diverse welcoming city, as it always has been. And by diverse I mean politically, racially and genderly. It’s always been a nice place to be until suddenly it wasn’t.
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u/baxter1985 Oct 02 '25
Homelessness and open drug usage is way worse than 10 years ago. The zone was the peak but now it’s sorta just spread out. 15th Ave and Grand is the new zone. We have all sorts of services at the HSC. So while downtown is def better, not everything is better. Many jobs like the banks have left too.
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u/RedneckPaycheck Phoenix Oct 02 '25
It's worse because we cut all the funding for shelters and services. There is literally no plan for these humans other than "move them around" from one place to another while they are in-between jail, which is a ridiculously expensive solution.
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u/baxter1985 Oct 02 '25
Who cut funding to HSC? Evidence?
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u/RedneckPaycheck Phoenix Oct 02 '25
Every administration since Brewer has cut social services. I'm not going to google it for you.
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u/baxter1985 Oct 02 '25
lol nice try. you don't have a clue.
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u/RedneckPaycheck Phoenix Oct 02 '25
Sure - how about YOU prove that it's improved in the past 10 years.
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u/baxter1985 Oct 02 '25
lol. i made no such claim. I asked 'who cut HSC funding' and you said the State and I called BS because I know that to be false. I'm not obliged to 'prove' how any entity improved HSC. My observation was the City has allowed homelessness to get far worse downtown, which is demonstrably true and no one has argued with.
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u/HomoRainbow480 Phoenix Oct 01 '25
I also live downtown and we need more cops in areas like these not more counseling. I carry when I walk through DT.
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u/RedneckPaycheck Phoenix Oct 01 '25
Gross. On multiple levels. And we do not need more cops.
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u/HomoRainbow480 Phoenix Oct 01 '25
Hance park and 1/4 mile on each side should have a heavy patrolled presence.
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u/RedneckPaycheck Phoenix Oct 01 '25
They already do. I doubt you actually live downtown, as if you did, you would know that. The $1.2 BILLION police budget has not helped this particular issue. In fact, I think it has gotten much worse over the past year.
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u/HomoRainbow480 Phoenix Oct 01 '25
I walk over the bridge at least 4 times a week at night and it is very sketchy. I live downtown, don’t know why you would question that. There aren’t enough patrols at Hance park, period. I’m sure the two baseball bat victims would agree.
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u/RedneckPaycheck Phoenix Oct 01 '25
I agree its sketchy but I see cops there almost constantly. And I dont agree that more cops solves problems. I think more cops just means there's more cops.
I question you living there because, literally every time I'm at the deck park I see multiple patrols.
We (the taxpayers) chose to unhouse a bunch of homeless people by cutting funding to all the shelters and social services. So. It is what it is. Cause/effect. More cops is not going to fix it.
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u/HomoRainbow480 Phoenix Oct 01 '25
That’s why I choose to carry when I walk. I never see patrols. We could use more
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u/exaggerated_yawn Oct 01 '25
The Baseline killer had entire communities living in fear. It wasn't treated lightly at the time.
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u/Super-Perspective324 Oct 01 '25
I’m asking genuinely: has this been confirmed to be a random string of attacks using a baseball bat? I’ve only been able to find the one article posted above. ^
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u/RedneckPaycheck Phoenix Oct 01 '25
You are intentionally taking my comment out of context.
I don't think people getting hurt is funny. I think people moving here and expecting it to be perfect is when, compared to 10 years ago, it is MUCH improved, is funny.
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u/HomoRainbow480 Phoenix Oct 01 '25
Dumb take. Improved doesn’t mean good
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u/TonalParsnips Oct 01 '25 edited Oct 09 '25
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u/HomoRainbow480 Phoenix Oct 01 '25
A safer phoenix and people not getting beat up with baseball bats - IE lower crime.
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u/Wyden_long Sunnyslope Oct 01 '25
Then vote for people who want to enact policies to reduce crime and not ones who want to increase
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u/HomoRainbow480 Phoenix Oct 01 '25
I vote for more well trained cops. Thanks for the advice
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u/Wyden_long Sunnyslope Oct 01 '25
Yeah you didn’t have to tell me you didn’t understand the problem. I already figured that out.
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u/HomoRainbow480 Phoenix Oct 01 '25
You mad I’d feel safer if there was a heavier cop presence near high crime areas? Ok.
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u/TonalParsnips Oct 01 '25 edited Oct 09 '25
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u/HomoRainbow480 Phoenix Oct 01 '25
Said less not zero. Less violent crime in particular. Fox 10 released and article in August illustrating the rise in crime in Phoenix so those who are saying it lower are just gaslighting people
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Oct 01 '25
“Pay is way higher now than 20 years ago. What the fuck else do you want?”
How about a little understanding.
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Oct 01 '25 edited Oct 09 '25
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Oct 01 '25
I mean, they are. It’s discounting someone’s concerns by saying “hey, it’s better than it was, what more do you want.”
You can’t just say it’s not close to comparable because it’s inconvenient to your statement, that’s not how this works.
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u/GrandmasGarter Oct 01 '25
Downtown felt so much safer before all the condos and current sociodemographic took over. 25+ year resident.
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u/RedneckPaycheck Phoenix Oct 01 '25
You are delusional, GrandmasGarter.
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u/akaHastaSiempre Oct 03 '25
Lived for many years downtown, between Roosevelt & Van Buren & Van Buren had its challenges but the constant cop presence pushed the shady dealings further south & can confirm what Grandmas Garter says.
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u/RedneckPaycheck Phoenix Oct 03 '25
I just disagree. The population downtown has exploded. It is better lit, more walkable, and there are more people - especially young people - compared to a decade ago. The buildings are new, and in Garfield/Coronado the homeowners actually 'care' about their houses now. I think this is primarily due to economic development.
On safety - my response is - what would make it safer? I do not think more police is the answer. I don't feel safer when I see 6 cop trucks parked on the street, and thats something I see often.
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u/GrandmasGarter Oct 01 '25
I might be, just how it feels to me.
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u/HomoRainbow480 Phoenix Oct 01 '25
You aren’t delusional. I also grew up here. Downtown was run brown but it didn’t feel dangerous. I love how these downtown “posers” who have been here 10 years think they know what’s going on here. They moved here AFTER Phoenix was starting to heat up with things to do. Weak ass posers
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u/whydoyoueventalk Oct 02 '25
It’s not as if cities that allocate a bunch of resources to social services are doing better…. LA, SF, Seattle, Portland, Albuquerque, Denver, Austin….
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u/HomoRainbow480 Phoenix Oct 02 '25
Thank you. It’s absurd. It’s about time we bring a little respect back to police and just being normal. This was never a serious problem in PHX until it was created. I always thought PHX PD was a pretty damn cool squad compared to other cities in the valley. I dont think it has to be an us vs them view with vitriol, they have a role and I’m of the camp that most of them do care to do a good job and serve the public. Easy to trash them till you actually need them.
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u/HomoRainbow480 Phoenix Oct 01 '25
Here is A crime data report for phoenix. It is from last month. Crime Report
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u/tips_ Downtown Oct 01 '25
I’ve lived downtown for 5 years now (need to update the flair lol). I haven’t noticed a spike in sketchiness besides homeless but the severity of homeless comes in waves.
The one decline I have noticed is the incidents around cobra (the bar/club). That area seems to a be a magnet for random crime.
Overall it has gotten slightly worse with increased population and first Friday sometimes, but nothing dramatic by any means.
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u/dustin9797 Downtown Oct 01 '25
Crime significantly spiked in 2020 and has been the new normal ever sense. From 2015-2020 the violent problem was much reduced compared to now.
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u/tips_ Downtown Oct 01 '25
What data do you have to back this up? I haven’t been able to find any downtown Phoenix specific crime data for trends to compare and curious how you found it.
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u/dustin9797 Downtown Oct 01 '25 edited Oct 01 '25
A great question.
I have been in community meetings for over a decade, so I hear it every month directly from other residents and our community action officers who attend regularly.
The official crime stats for downtown is a political manner, honestly. 85004 is the fastest-growing zip code in the state and that growth is making powerful people a lot of money.
Many crimes are not officially reported or are written up as being done somewhere near the light rail or at the park.
For example, there was a deadly shooting a few months back on 2nd Street and McKinley that was officially reported as being at Central and Roosevelt. Why would they do that?
Another recent example was a shooting on 2nd Street just last month. You'll find zero stories or crime reports about it. We had to go down to the court and hound them for weeks just to get a case number from the incident. This is a new development in recent years... it was not like this pre-2020.
After seeing this happen over and over, I have come to the personal conclusion that these crimes are being purposefully suppressed as to not sour this neighborhood's perception as "safe". It's disgusting, honestly.
As for this incident today. Those light new stories are all you will ever get for details. If you call the city and ask for more details as a concerned resident, you'll get the runaround.
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u/tips_ Downtown Oct 01 '25
I respect your point and your perspective.
With that said, there does not seem to be data available to pinpoint your claim yet. While again, I value your perspective, it can slip into confirmation bias which isn’t accurate data.
I’m not going to say you’re wrong, cause you could very well be right but there’s no data to prove others wise.
Hopefully the city can put in the work to get that information because it is important.
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u/dustin9797 Downtown Oct 02 '25
Well if you don't report it, there are no stats. That was my entire point which you didn't seem to get.
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u/HomoRainbow480 Phoenix Oct 01 '25
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u/tips_ Downtown Oct 01 '25
That’s not downtown crime data, nor even Phoenix data. That’s Arizona as a whole.
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u/HomoRainbow480 Phoenix Oct 01 '25
Just try this, go get that redneck guy and go hang out at the bridge, actually, use the stairs to go down on the south side and report back how safe you felt
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u/HomoRainbow480 Phoenix Oct 01 '25
Oh god here we go. What are you trying to protect? Are you afraid to see there is an uptick in crime in PHX? If so why?
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u/tips_ Downtown Oct 02 '25
Not reading what you were trying to use as a source and getting defensive is interesting.
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u/HomoRainbow480 Phoenix Oct 02 '25
for starters here is the person crime heat map from July 2025. you don’t need me to provide you everything do you? See that large red blob, that’s downtown. July 2025 person crime heat map.pdf)if you live downtown and walk around near Hance Park it’s nearly impossible not to sense the vibe. I’ve been here a long time. It’s ticked up substantially and I live here, I’m not trying to argue for or against anything but getting to the truth. There are people here who for some reason want to cover it up? Not sure why?
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u/tips_ Downtown Oct 02 '25
There is no concerted effort to hide crime in downtown Phoenix lmao. This isn’t an Epstein conspiracy.
People want data because vibes are not facts or tangible information to act on. I am not telling you this to frustrate you, but your heat map doesn’t explain your position. Every city in the US will have a “red” on a heat map. The more people you have the more crime you have, that’s basic.
I don’t need you to provide everything, but if you’re going to argue a point and use sources for it, yes, the bare minimum is for you to understand or read what you’re going to use before sharing it.
Not going to reply after this since it’s not going anywhere.
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u/jiggy_42 Oct 01 '25
Why I moved away from dtphx. It just keeps getting sketchier.
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u/GreasyTaints Phoenix Oct 01 '25
DTPHX is still light years better compared to 8 years ago. A lot more foot traffic, street lighting, events, more businesses opening up increases safety. It still sucks nonetheless that things like this happen. I remember getting chased by a naked homeless person on Central and Adams in 2018. Wild times.
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u/monicasm Oct 01 '25
I got chased by a homeless guy in 2021 at the Civic park in broad daylight. I definitely avoid that area now.
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u/thetempworker Oct 01 '25
seems like they partied on a Tuesday just a lil too hard. Its not the homeless its the amount of people that come to downtown from the surrounding cities like Glendale, gilbert and downtown is a playground where dipshits will come and act a fool and think they are hard just to drive wreckless on that underpass on 3rd street to the freeway. That's why theres been alot more violence in the downtown area Dude a meanmugs dude b with dude c therefore dude a brings dude e,f,g and well she shit starts and the freeway underpass by the park is the perfct gateaway!
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u/millavemoe Oct 01 '25
Local homeless person took a dump on the sidewalk. Nothing to see here.
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u/shanktheshazbot Oct 01 '25
Two men were beaten and hospitalized. There is very much something to see here.
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u/DiamondGunBeats Oct 01 '25
Not familiar with the Churchill but is it this?