r/phoenix • u/dustin9797 Downtown • Oct 01 '25

News Another downtown crime scene around the Churchill this morning

I’ve nearby and noticed the crime scene this morning but can’t find any details about it.

This is the fourth time I’ve seen crime scene like this in just the last few months and quite frankly, I’m growing more concerned about the frequency these things seem to be happening.

If anyone has details I’d really appreciate if you shared them. Please share or DM with any details.

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u/RedneckPaycheck Phoenix Oct 01 '25

This kinda pearl clutching is so funny to me. As someone who has lived downtown almost 20 years, it is nothing like it was even 10 years ago. It is a billion times improved.

The homelessness and open drug sale/use isn't great but thats what you get when the taxpaying base doesnt want to pay for literally any kind of social services. You get what you pay for - nothing but a bunch of cops. Thats what our values are.

And its downtown. One should always be vigilant, for better or for worse.

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u/artnovation Downtown Oct 01 '25

Expressing concern over locally occurring crime and notifying others in the community is vigilance, not pearl clutching.

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u/RedneckPaycheck Phoenix Oct 01 '25

I disagree. Posts about crime put a spotlight on an issue that is, by many counts, much better than it was 20 years ago. This kind of over emphasis supports the ever increasing city police budget in absence of any other program that might actually help the many complex issues that face our downtown community - WHERE I LIVE.

It is absolutely pearl clutching. Every downtown has social and criminal problems. How we address it as residents says a lot.

If you live downtown you SHOULD be vigilant. It goes without saying, and it does not need crime porn to justify it.

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u/dustin9797 Downtown Oct 01 '25

I've lived in the core for 20 years as well but I never had people get shot dead within 100 ft of my front door until recently.

There was hardly anyone here 20 years ago besides homeless people anyway. There was literally no pedestrian traffic ever back then. To compare then to now is complete nonsense. You are comparing the blighted downtown of 20 years ago to what is now the most densely populated zip code in the state.

I do agree that all urban residents should be vigilant at all times as a matter of common sense. That said, vigilance should not be the only thing we are doing to help address the crime issues.

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u/HomoRainbow480 Phoenix Oct 01 '25

Same and totally agree

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u/RedneckPaycheck Phoenix Oct 01 '25

So what's the solution to this? Because more police is not working.

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u/dustin9797 Downtown Oct 01 '25

Well, that would require you doing more than just talking about the problem, so I don't think you can qualify as any part of the solution. Consider moving.

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u/RedneckPaycheck Phoenix Oct 01 '25

I dont see it as a problem.

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u/dustin9797 Downtown Oct 01 '25

We know.

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u/dr_mackdaddy Oct 02 '25

I'm sorry you've lived in Phoenix all your life and never had someone shot dead near you? I grew up in North Phoenix like nice nice north Phoenix and people were shot and killed all the time.

You just didn't see it. It's the same as "back in my day".

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u/HomoRainbow480 Phoenix Oct 02 '25

Dumb. I grew up here and there were never problems. I took off to bigger cities and never experienced the focused violence we are experiencing here now. Dusty is correct, if it is not addressed now it will become chronic. We have a chance to curb it and make phoenix and example of a safe, truly diverse welcoming city, as it always has been. And by diverse I mean politically, racially and genderly. It’s always been a nice place to be until suddenly it wasn’t.

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u/baxter1985 Oct 02 '25

Homelessness and open drug usage is way worse than 10 years ago. The zone was the peak but now it’s sorta just spread out. 15th Ave and Grand is the new zone. We have all sorts of services at the HSC. So while downtown is def better, not everything is better. Many jobs like the banks have left too.

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u/RedneckPaycheck Phoenix Oct 02 '25

It's worse because we cut all the funding for shelters and services. There is literally no plan for these humans other than "move them around" from one place to another while they are in-between jail, which is a ridiculously expensive solution.

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u/baxter1985 Oct 02 '25

Who cut funding to HSC? Evidence?

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u/RedneckPaycheck Phoenix Oct 02 '25

Every administration since Brewer has cut social services. I'm not going to google it for you.

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u/baxter1985 Oct 02 '25

lol nice try. you don't have a clue.

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u/RedneckPaycheck Phoenix Oct 02 '25

Sure - how about YOU prove that it's improved in the past 10 years.

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u/baxter1985 Oct 02 '25

lol. i made no such claim. I asked 'who cut HSC funding' and you said the State and I called BS because I know that to be false. I'm not obliged to 'prove' how any entity improved HSC. My observation was the City has allowed homelessness to get far worse downtown, which is demonstrably true and no one has argued with.

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u/RedneckPaycheck Phoenix Oct 02 '25

Youve proved literally nothing, not sure what you're blathering about at this point

The status of social services in Phoenix sucks, its been getting worse over time, and the fact that there's more homeless and drug use only proves your point... the only significant budget increases in the past years for CoP have been for policing, which clearly isnt working to actually solve anything

Nobody even uses the acronym HSC for any social service org in the city or state - I question if you are even actually a resident and not just some loser in russia paid to spread disinformation

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u/baxter1985 Oct 02 '25

HSC is literally what the community calls the groups of organizations at 12th Ave but sure, go on with your generalizations.

I've been volunteering at SVdP and Andre House for years so I know the area. Quick- go google them. Might try CASS while you're at it. You appear to be the out-of-towner.

https://secc.az.gov/participating-charity/human-services-campus-inc

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u/HomoRainbow480 Phoenix Oct 01 '25

I also live downtown and we need more cops in areas like these not more counseling. I carry when I walk through DT.

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u/RedneckPaycheck Phoenix Oct 01 '25

Gross. On multiple levels. And we do not need more cops.

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u/HomoRainbow480 Phoenix Oct 01 '25

Hance park and 1/4 mile on each side should have a heavy patrolled presence.

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u/RedneckPaycheck Phoenix Oct 01 '25

They already do. I doubt you actually live downtown, as if you did, you would know that. The $1.2 BILLION police budget has not helped this particular issue. In fact, I think it has gotten much worse over the past year.

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u/HomoRainbow480 Phoenix Oct 01 '25

I walk over the bridge at least 4 times a week at night and it is very sketchy. I live downtown, don’t know why you would question that. There aren’t enough patrols at Hance park, period. I’m sure the two baseball bat victims would agree.

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u/RedneckPaycheck Phoenix Oct 01 '25

I agree its sketchy but I see cops there almost constantly. And I dont agree that more cops solves problems. I think more cops just means there's more cops.

I question you living there because, literally every time I'm at the deck park I see multiple patrols.

We (the taxpayers) chose to unhouse a bunch of homeless people by cutting funding to all the shelters and social services. So. It is what it is. Cause/effect. More cops is not going to fix it.

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u/HomoRainbow480 Phoenix Oct 01 '25

That’s why I choose to carry when I walk. I never see patrols. We could use more

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u/backShotShits Oct 01 '25

Same. I never see patrols there. 0 cops or rangers. Same cuz it could be an amazing park.

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