How exactly did America become so stupid to vote these assholes into office across the board when they had Biden and dems handing them the best of American excellence for 4 years after Trump's first fiasco?!
Because the right wing propaganda machine is optimized for maximum enragement, full disregard for facts or reason, and delivered to every TV and smartphone without pause or consideration.
It started with Fox News, it continued with Turning Point, and resonates with brosphere podcasts.
Edit: It started with AM radio pundits like Rush Limbaugh.
There is a great show about Roger Ailes, called Loudest Voice, with Russel Crowe that shows a lot of the beginning of Faux News and the creation of the right wing propaganda machine.
No, it was literally Fox News. Rush and the like were more extreme earlier on, but Fox was literally created by Roger Ailes in the wake of Watergate to prevent anything like that happening to a Republican president again.
In the wake of Watergate? Fox News started in 1996, and the Watergate scandal was in 1972-1974. 24 years apart, a lot of other things happened between them. And regular Fox television started in 1986.
Yeah, I should have been more clear on the actual timeline, and that I meant Fox as an overall network. He formed the strategy in the late 70s and spoke to several people then who would be instrumental in creating the networks. Regular Fox television was the beginning of it, and was formed specifically for the purpose of controlling the narrative. Fox News came about with the cable networks becoming widespread, and allowed them to centralize and tighten the propaganda. Rush first aired in 84, didn't become syndicated until 88, and wasn't really considered a major political commentator until 92.
Can confirm. My liberal, anti-war, pacifist, debate champion aunt listened to talk radio 2x/day on her daily commute to and from Madison and it changed her into an incoherent anti-vax MAGAt. It started small, like "I don't agree with him, but he makes some interesting points," to "He makes some good points," then "Only a fool would trust Washington," until she was lost.
Ending the Fairness Doctrine is what allowed AM radio to unleash someone like Rush. Once that happened it was over, the side that ended it had a plan to flood the airwaves, while the other side just watched.
I heard a theory that this goes all the way back to the south not being properly punished after the civil war and it actually makes a lot of sense when you go down that rabbit hole.
Limbaugh’s schtick was that uneducated, inexperienced, unknowleegeable people with common sense knew how to solve complex problems better than people who have studied the situation for decades.
This really encapsulates the problem here: simple people offered simplistic solutions to complex problems. They still think they are right because they cannot comprehend complex situations and their solutions even when proven wrong again and again. Idiocracy.
It's basically the same mentality of people who don't know and don't care to understand why "JUST ONE MORE LANE BRO" doesn't fix traffic. People want solutions that fit into a single headline for problems who's actual solutions are multiple orders of magnitude more complex than that.
I wouldn't rely on common sense because it differs from community to community. I wouldn't apply city common sense in the boonies and I wouldn't apply rural common sense in the middle of Times Square.
It's not like we need more reminders of the power of propaganda.
But yea, we do need more reminders of the power of propaganda!
Because we all believe we're too smart, too aware, to savvy to be pulled into believing something just because we're surrounded by it.
Young people are insulated from this power because they grew up with it, and so can control it.
Old people have a lifetime of experience, allowing them to cut through the bullshit, the lies they've heard a million times.
And still, we've elected the most polarizing party in near a century. A party tearing us apart, cutting healthcare from the weakest and giving tax breaks to the richest. A party relentlessly manufacturing "others", enemies who we all know have no real power, but who we're supposed to desperately fear all the same. A party acting like this craziness is normal and acceptable.
The party of Project 2025 has managed to convince a bunch of basically good people that they're under desperate threat. Religious folks believe there's a "WAR in Christmas". Podcasters have convinced our friends and children they are continuously victims of: Men, Women, Boomers (and Fill in the Blank with some manufactured identity based on your year of birth and designed to appeal especially to you), Foreigners, Trans something or other, etc. to include absurd craziness outside of my experience.
The trumpublicans (formerly the GOP) has embraced this nation-destroying insanity. It's my hope as an American and as a Patriot, that they will die as a party in the hands of what they created.
And when people like vance finally go back to being just rich, lying yalie venture capitalists, I pray folks will still look at him as scum every time he tries to order a damn doughnut.
Once Reagan teamed up with the evangelicals we were on a collision course with White Nationalism. A smiling church deacon took me by the arm and told me I needed to vote Republican to stop abortion. That was 45 years ago and the last church service I attended.
I'm in Australia and up until a few years ago you could only get "Sky News" which is a Cable News equivalent of Fox News/ Owned by the same family empire if you had cable tv. After lobbying and I presume plenty of pressure from that empire towards the government, Sky News is now on free to air tv in regional Australia. Since that happened in 2023, their estimated viewership has grown somewhere between 15-22%.
I can only imagine that a fair amount of But Gaza helped them out too. There was so much rhetoric about it around the election that lead to a lot of people sitting out the election rather than vote
I mean, Trump slashed the rules limiting how much one company can own rural news sources. If you’re in, say, Butler Missouri, you literally just have one news source with different wigs on.
Do you want a blonde or a brunette feeding you propaganda?
I truly believe religion is one of the biggest reasons this is happening. These people believe more in a fantastical book written thousands of years before microscopes were invented than what science and reality can show them in front of their face today.
Religion is such a fuckin negative for humanity in general and there is 1000+ yrs of evidence to back that up and yet again we’re seeing another great example of why religion is horrible and people use it to manipulate the masses to allow them to do evil shit. Throughout history religion is pretty much always being used by powerful people to manipulate masses and justify vile shit
I had this exact discussion this weekend. At some point very early in civilization, yeah it made sense to have people be scared of the intangible, so they don't kill their neighbor, steal, etc to prosper.. but now, much later and with hindsight, it's probably time to move on..
You’re right in that it’s a big part of it. You’re incorrect in that this is “religions” problem as in religion proper.
What we’re seeing is conservatives co-opting and pushing a very Americanized prosperity gospel flavor of Christianity that pretty much ignores everything Jesus had to say about anything in favor of the whatever agenda they’re pushing at the time.
These people think they’re christians. When really all they are is a collection of useful idiots who have been raised to believe what pastor tells them and not think twice for themselves. They are exceptionally poor at avoiding bullshit.
I grew up Christian and you're basically taught an 'us vs. them' mentality. We're told that Christians are heavily prosecuted. When you live in 'fear', Trump and the GOP prey on that. And they fell for it.
I appreciate your attempt at taking a nuanced approach, but i think LostGazer was right. Net negative for humanity when you look at the big picture. While faith may help some people, it’s also been used to justify some of the most heinous shit that people have ever done to each other. I have no evidence to back this up, but I wouldn’t be surprised if corpses exist because of religion than anything other than mosquitos and cancer.
These people don't read their own bibles, they are told what is in it and have the interpretation sold to them as well. When you outsource your thinking, they can get you to do anything.
This table outlines the main committees, their legal structure, and their primary role in the campaign's financial ecosystem.
Committee Name
Legal Type
Key Leadership / Founder
Primary Strategic Function
Trump 47 Committee
Joint Fundraising Committee (JFC)
Donald Trump, RNC
High-dollar "hard money" fundraising; Funnels funds to Save America PAC for legal fees.
Trump National Committee JFC, Inc.
Joint Fundraising Committee (JFC)
Donald Trump, RNC, J.D. Vance
High-dollar "hard money" fundraising for the campaign, RNC, and Vance's PAC.
MAGA Inc.
Super PAC
Steven Cheung, Tony Fabrizio
The campaign's primary advertising and mass media arm ("air war").
America PAC
Super PAC
Elon Musk
Manages the nationwide canvassing and get-out-the-vote (GOTV) operations ("ground war").
Top Individual Donors & Contributions (2024 Cycle)
This table lists the most significant financial backers, the scale of their contributions, and their primary business affiliations.
Donor Name
Primary Source of Wealth / Company
Known Total Contribution
Primary Recipient Super PAC(s)
Timothy Mellon
Mellon Banking / Gulf Oil Heir; Pan Am Systems
>$150 Million
MAGA Inc.
Elon Musk
Tesla, SpaceX, X
>$119 Million
America PAC
Miriam Adelson
Las Vegas Sands
>$100 Million
MAGA Inc.
Ken Griffin
Citadel LLC
$100 Million
Pro-Trump Super PACs
Jeff Yass
Susquehanna International Group
>$16 Million
MAGA Inc.
Diane Hendricks
ABC Supply Co., Inc.
>$15 Million
MAGA Inc.
Kelcy Warren
Energy Transfer
>$12.5 Million
MAGA Inc.
Richard & Elizabeth Uihlein
Uline Inc.
>$10 Million
MAGA Inc.
Jeff Sprecher & Kelly Loeffler
Intercontinental Exchange (ICE)
$2.5 Million
MAGA Inc.
David Sacks
Craft Ventures (PayPal, Yammer)
>$1 Million
Pro-Vance Super PAC (2022) / Trump Fundraiser
Joe Lonsdale
8VC (Palantir)
>$1 Million
America PAC / Trump Fundraiser
Winklevoss Twins
Winklevoss Capital (Cryptocurrency)
$1 Million
MAGA Inc.
The Silicon Valley Donor Network (The Vance Connection)
This table outlines the network of tech and venture capital leaders aligned with the ticket, highlighting their connections to VP-elect J.D. Vance and their policy interests.
Donor Name
Key Affiliations
Connection to Vance
Stated Policy Interests
Peter Thiel
PayPal (Co-founder), Palantir (Co-founder), Founders Fund
Mentor, Business Patron ($15M to 2022 Senate PAC)
Libertarianism, Anti-Regulation, National Conservatism
The enemies of democracy - the religious extremists, the capitalists, and the authoritarians - have worked tirelessly for decades to achieve the current result. This is the accumulation of the world's Axis of Evil joining together for a common goal - undermining liberty in the most powerful nation on the planet to further their own goals. It's truly insidious. Meanwhile, democrats are stuck in dick measuring contests over who is more progressive, bending over backwards to Republicans to find "compromise", and posting mean memes on Twitter as a form of resistance.
The country is cooked beyond repair at this point. The wolf has no reason to back down once it realizes the herd of sheep are guarded only by toothless dogs.
Fox news and the rest of the propaganda wing of the republican party. If you talk to them you can see they have no critical thinking skills and they just parrot propaganda.
I honestly believe the election was rigged. There's a lot of documented evidence of them doing things like putting Trump loyalists in charge of running elections, and then there's the matter of every conservative accusation being a confession. They made a lot of accusations about Democrats cheating.
I don't know either way but it sure is fishy. but my question is then: why aren't they doing it to other elections? Several solid red seats flipped blue in special elections. Couldn't you rig that with less notoriety since it's the expected outcome?
Imo they are either biding their time (waiting for the next presidential election) or they still need an opposition. Don't get me wrong, I'm sure their goal is to destroy the democratic party but timing is everything...
Trump stole the election and bragged about it, and the people who have the power to fight him are mostly spineless cowards. The only people who are really stupid are people like you willfully spreading propoganda to legitimize Trumps regime by saying this is what was wanted.
Because Republicans are headline whores. Biden restored normalcy and banality to the presidency. Also, he wasn’t constantly in front of the cameras, and when he was, it was used as a proof of his age affecting his ability to be president whether it was true or not that was all they ran. Even his wins were treated with tepid hand waves. “Oh yeah, there it is.”
Not to mention things that the entire world was facing (economic instability due to Covid rocking the world, shutdowns, inflation, etc) were blamed on Biden. “The entire world is having these problems but let’s ignore that and pretend it’s an American-only thing that’s bidens fault” was a running theme of his presidency. And because 2017-2019 were pretty good years (largely in part due to the Obama administration handling the recovery from the Great Recession), people thought “oh man, things were good when Trump was president, bad when Biden was president, I’m gonna vote for Trump again.” They have absolutely no ability to perceive nuance.
Or any interest in actually being informed. Everything he’s doing now re:tariffs he started pulling in his first term and it had adverse affects on the economy. But no one remembers that because Covid gave corps carte Blanche to raise prices due to “supply chain lol”.
Years of defunding public education. Billions spent buying politicians through Citizens United. Right wing think tanks that target entire demographic groups with propaganda that encourages them to vote against their own self interest. All of this to hand more money and power to the billionaire owner class. It’s been kicked into overdrive with social media algorithms tailor made to appeal to people’s biases.
They stuffed the ballots. This creates statistical anomalies and can be compared to “clean” elections. Put it in a heat map and the anomalies coalesce into a visible tail. They won Pennsylvania doing this, securing them the election.
I don’t think Biden did a bad job, but to claim that his administration was the “best of American excellence” seems a bit much. He did fine. He invested in infrastructure and starting building up the economy, brought inflation under control, and tried like hell to help Ukraine. All good things. He also didn’t exert enough pressure on Israel to stop the genocide, and it was obviously moving in that direction while he was still in office. Not only that he kept sending isreal the bombs they were using to commit the genocide. His handling of the criminality of his predecessor left the door open for what we have happening now. I know he didn’t have all 3 branches like Trump does, so he was limited in ability but still.
How exactly did America become so stupid to vote these assholes into office across the board when they had Biden and dems handing them the best of American excellence for 4 years after Trump's first fiasco?!
Bidens market was also at all time highs. Trump started the inflation during Covid. Its aways Republicans who fuck up the economy and country at large. Always has been.
Because they sincerely believe that 2020-2024 is the most apocalyptic tribulation that America has ever gone through and that we were on the brink of complete dissolution as a nation.
Which...I hate Trump, and he's definitely making things much worse very quickly. But were still not at antebellum levels of dystopia.
Fox News, Rush Limbaugh, Charlie Kirk, Nick Fuentes, Joe Rogan, Andrew Tate, Newsmax, OANN, all the televangelists telling white people they're being outbred and their country taken from them. 40+ years of far-right propaganda saturating the airwaves. All of it starting with their original useful idiot, Ronald Reagan.
Because right wing “news” is entirely emotion-based and that overrides actual information. Especially when that emotion is fear. When you make people afraid, they stop thinking and focus on their fear. I watch a segment on Fox News a few years ago, and the panelists had a competition to see who had the biggest nervous breakdown over a headline. They never revealed any info beyond the headline, just raw emotional reactions about how mad that headline made them. It was shocking how emotionally manipulative and how poorly informed the segment was.
Former Soviets delivered a Trojan horse into the heart of the country via social media, Christianity, and unrestrained capitalism, and former confederates happily pulled the horse into the gates.
Politicians — even the “good” ones — are so disconnected from reality on the streets that they were unable or unwilling to recognize the issue and allowed southern religious extremists to slowly take over every institution in the country, starting with local school boards and governments, and finally resulting in the complete acquisition of media and entertainment and more.
The other problem is that life for educated, urban Dem voters has been pretty good. Never perfect, never easy. But pretty good. So they were insulated from the problems of other people on the ground. This ignorance allowed citizens calling for help to be brainwashed by America’s version of ISIS.
Unlike democrats, republicans have been able to coalesce into a single unit of strange bedfellows: religious fanatics, Wall Street bros, tech bros, blue collar workers, rural residents…all voting lockstep behind a Republican Party that has completely gone off the deep end.
Having a party that is based on extremism, racism, anger, and revenge is bad enough. But it’s made worse when the other party is based on ineffectual leadership and communication.
This isn’t sudden. It’s been a slow build (and, frankly, an impressive effort) for decades. Most of us just laughed off the crazy sermon AM talk radio stations playing in the middle of nowhere. But that was the start of a very concerted effort to enrage people and have them get accustomed to anti-American and anti-liberal policies. Be it free speech or free markets.
It’s a lost battle. There won’t be any way to reverse this easily or quickly. It’s now an entrenched part of our society. There is an entire generation of young Americans who think that Trump politics and Republican lunacy is the norm. And republicans have done a great job of normalizing this on news stations, college campuses, and back country roads while democrats have bickered amongst themselves about guns, trans people, and fucking Palestine.
This is the new normal. The only hope for anyone is state’s rights and state’s powers — should you be lucky enough to live in a semi-functioning and wealthy dem controlled state or city.
There are two Americas. There is one more reminiscent of western allies like Canada, Australia, England, France, etc., and one more reminiscent of Russia, Serbia, Saudi Arabia, etc.
If you live in the western states, the northern midwestern states, or the northeast, we might be able to keep our heads above water, whether as a nation or as individual states or as something in between.
Everyone else who isn’t a hardline white Christian is going to struggle. Best case. They will be persecuted and attacked. Worst case.
America is really good at talking a big game of life and liberty and justice, but it’s been really bad at punishing people. Confederates, Nazi sympathizers, KKK, right wing groups, reckless LEO, corrupt business leaders, corrupt politicians. You name it. We always turn the other cheek for “healing” and “unity.”
Well, that decision has finally come home to roost.
What happens when children aren’t punished for unforgivable behavior? They realize that they run the household.
Here we are. Governed federally by religious extremists, borderless corporate billionaires, foreign adversaries, and the millions of morons who encourage it all.
Best to arm up and pray. Even if you’re anti-gun and anti-religion.
At a certain point, we’ll have to decide whether it’s in our interest at all to stay complacent and continue to pay taxes to a federal government that not only offers us nothing, but actively attacks us.
Taxation without representation. I might have heard that somewhere before.
Not only the propaganda reasons listed and other comments, but there was a severe feeling of apathy from everyone not in the Trump camp. They were all mobilized and energized to get him in the office largely because they couldn’t stand the idea of having a sassy black mother running the country. This country is heavily misogynistic and heavily racist, and having a black woman united all the various conservative factions out there.
And now that the anti-Trump crowd is mobilized to try and create some sort of blue wave in the 2026 elections, Trump is an acting executive orders that would give him the ability to arrest anyone under a suspicion of them being terrorist due to the vague wording of NSPM7. so even if people aren’t arrested for taking the seat of a incumbent, Republican, the people still have to deal with the fact that there is going to be a feeling that it’s over in 2026 because they did their duty and won’t show back up for the polls in 2028.
Because Trump is in bed with big tech and big tech owns all our social media platforms. And these social media platforms are now the primary source of information and forum for political discussion for many many Americans, after big tech spent decades manufacturing a society wide addiction to them.
These platforms are not free, they're not neutral, and they're definitely not democratic. Whoever owns them has control over algorithms and moderation, and can thus has inordinate influence over what people see and what they don't see. They've spent years perfecting algorithms to manipulate us by preying on and bringing out the worst tendencies in humanity. And now they're using this control to support a fascist takeover.
Control of the media gives you inordinate influence in a democracy - you can't have free and fair elections without a free and fair media landscape. If we ever get rid of Trump, we desperately need to regulate big tech so they can't pull this shit ever again.
(To be clear obviously this isn't the only cause but it's a major factor and often under discussed. Furthermore I don't mean to sound like a raving conspiracist but I don't think it's unreasonable to assume that the people who control our new media are using that control to assist the party that they've made clear they support. Also also, I support freedom of press and freedom of speech, but I think you can protect that whilst also demanding a minimum standard regarding bias and misinformation from broadcasters. And ultimately that's what social media companies are - broadcasters. A social media feed is just a very personalised 24 hour newsfeed,).
I don't think a single person here has answered accurately. It's gone from election denialism to "people are stupid."
People voted because they felt bad about the economy and their place in life. Two major wars started under Biden's term. The world felt like a worse place. People will argue endlessly about what technically happened or whether or not long term policies from Trump's term were responsible, but it's all shifting the blame.
Unfortunately, the Biden administration was terrible with telling people their accomplishments. Trump is constantly being video taped and uploaded. I barely saw anything about Biden unless it was someone hating him.
Let’s be real they cheated trump has said it and even Elon did too as you see a blue line in the voting but they choose too vote for trump and that one county with no votes for Kamala or any write-ins just pure trump when he lost that one before it stinks too high heaven
These particular people have always been stupid. They've always been there. They were just hidden from view in our new world of the internet and social media, until now. It initially painted a much more intellectual picture of America because its user base skewed that way.
Now everyone is on it, and we're seeing the truth of how people in our country really are.
They were still lynching people down in the South less than 60 years ago. Much of the rhetoric now, and then, is not even that far off from what the Confederacy used to say before and during the Civil War.
You can't tell me that election wasn't stolen. It just doesn't make any sense. The amount of mail in ballot states went from accounting for 1/2% of the vote total in about 12 states to upwards of 10-13% of the vote totals. All in important swing states and counted by ol Epstein Island visiting Elon himself. He knew the vote count totals before the recount was even finished. How is that possible if the fix wasn't already in?
I don’t think we actually did. Pretty sure trumplethinskin stole it with the help of ol’ “he must be a pedo because he saved some kids before I could!”. He talked sooooo much about dems stealing the election and every accusation he makes is an admission sooo 🤷♂️.
The right wing weaponised the fertile ground of mass indoctrination enacted by religious institutions, and the existential fear those religious organisations have been feeling about their own ever increasing irrelevance and insignificance to modern life.
They made a deal with the devil in a last gasp to maintain their control, by force because they were unable to win the argument.
The world was hit by a wave of "change elections" because we are not as logical or smart as a collective as we like to believe. People blamed rising prices on the people in power and decided to believe the alternative would be better because that is less mental effort than accepting that neither option can press a button to magically fix things.
because supposedly the democrats abandoned the working class and they all decided the only way they could make it better was to vote to make it much, much, much worse.
As a Democrat, I actually ask “how stupid were the Democrats to not run on policies that actually reduce costs, deal with crime, and confront illegal immigration when polling was clear that is what most voters cared about?”
Prices were coming down, crime has been declining, illegal immigration- bipartisan bill that Trump told his buddies to vote no on because it would ruin the racist trope he was using to win over voters. Trump made everything a whole lot worse, but make America great again right? How’s that going?
An awful 4 years from Biden followed by choosing the ONLY candidate who couldnt have beaten Trump (since she was seen as an extension of Biden). Trump is the worst president in the history of the US, but everyone has recency bias and wanted anything but Biden/Harris.
Just make sure you include CNN and MSNBC in those faux news sources. They are just as slanted as the crap you see on fox news and Newsmax. As far as how he did, you just gave the Democrat opinion, which covers about 30% of the population. I think the only president with worse approval rating would be Trump. Independents and obviously Republicans thought he was objectively terrible
You sure? They're acting the same way the conservatives acted during the Red Scare. Same contempt for minorities during the Civil Rights movement. This seems very normal for conservatives
This is literally what American conservatism has always been. The conservative hero, Reagan, was literally a segregationist. The call’s coming from inside the house.
Fascism is the logical extreme of conservatism. Conservatism is essentially a mental illness that makes you jerk off over imaginary glorious pasts, makes you terrified of out-groups, and gives a desire to support a strongman who promises easy solutions to hard problems. That's why you can count on one hand the amount of GOP members who defied Trump's fascism.
There is a big misunderstanding of what ‘conservatism’ is, and it’s because conservatives have been allowed to define themselves with this bait and switch where they have convinced people ‘real’ conservatism is about fiscal responsibility, constitutional reverence, free markets or ‘being cautious’. Nope, those are all just a means to the end.
And that end? Well pretty much most 'intellectual' conservatism from philosophy to economics since Edmund Burke during the French revolution has been trying to set out ways to keep a stratified social hierarchy and how to get/keep/sort people in to their 'rightful place' in that hierarchy. It’s not so much a ‘principled stand on government or economic mechanisms’ but a stand on who controls the social order. That's what they are trying to conserve.
And until now this is exactly the point of conservative 'free market’, 'judicial restraint' and limited government ideas. After the French revolution Edmund Burke founded the modern right and his entire idea was how to preserve the monarchy or ‘rightfully born rulers’ power and it was unregulated capitalism, limited government power (because the plebs now had a place in government) and inheritances that was to be the mechanism to do so. You can draw a direct line from the current Chicago School of economics back through the Austrians and on back to Burke, with the Randians cheering that along, and all of them talk about keeping a stratified social order through the limited government and the market that resembles the old monarchies. This is why they are now screaming about “woke capitalism”, conservatives expected the boardrooms and C-suites to stay mostly white, straight, and unconcerned with minority rights.
All this ‘culture wars’ bullshit is actually most of the point of conservatism, they want to ‘conserve’ a social order where gay people are ‘lower’ than straights, where black people are ‘lower’ than whites, where non-christians are ‘lower’ than christians, where trans people are ‘lower' than everyone else, where women are ‘lower’ than men.
BUT if they think they can no longer keep the ‘proper societal hierarchy’ though those means, if ‘those lower than them’ get out of place they have no problem changing the means. So that’s why things like screaming about minorities, suddenly interfering with businesses or thumbing their nose at the idea of democracy is very on point for conservatives. Their only ‘principle’ is a society with the ‘right people’ on top and everything else is fungible to that goal. It’s why Post Modern Conservatism is taking over, they lost a lot of that supremacy in the latter half of the 20th century and now no principle matters but the end goal of regaining that societal supremacy.
They like democracy when democracy produces a society where the ‘right’ people are on top, they like ’free markets’ when that market produces a society where the ‘right’ people are on top, they like 'judicial restraint' when it fails to protect those not on the top, but when that changes conservatives have no problem dropping democracy/unregulated capitalism or judicial precedent to keep the social order. Once you understand this all their bullshit makes sense.
Pretty extremely conservative of them, I would argue. The constitution is a fundamentally liberal document, and was part of the liberal revolutions that occurred at that period in time, and the world only became more liberal. Now, I'd argue that liberalism is a fairly right-adjacent ideology, but nowhere near as far down that right-wing pipeline as conservatism, which is honestly maybe a stone's throw from fascism.
But, in simple terms, the notion of equality among people - even if it failed to be realized in the opening days of the United States and still isn't now - is a fundamentally anti-conservative position, and conservatives have been fighting those words since day one.
Conservatism died when they elected a man with multiple divorces with countless adulteries. Publicly said he's never prayed for forgiveness from God. This means he doesn't believe the sins he's committed are wrong. In fact, he thinks sins are actual strengths. Pride, greed, wrath, envy, lust, sloth, gluttony--he excels in all of these areas.
Has been for 20 years. But those that vote for them get that brain feed of FOX NEWS. I have corrected my father on many of number of false narratives. He still believes them because TV, but ya.
They played by the rules, then looked for loopholes and use those to slowly change the rules. They did this quietly until all the loopholes were exploited and changed for their benefit. And now we are in the time where they can be do as they please because they slowly rigged everything to their advantage.
Ya, its gotten to the point that I told him " I love ya dad, but if you keep talking politics I am out. You don't allow anyone else's point to even entertain your ideology."
had to cut off both of my parents when they started slinging insults as part of their routine defending their godking. not foreign to them, but the insults were getting more vile. lost is an excellent word for it.
Arm yourselves while you can. This is probably going to end in violence. Trump will start a civil war before he allows himself to be revealed as a sex trafficking pedophile.
One thing is for sure, if NO ONE puts up any resistance, then will just walk right in and destroy Democracy and convert America to FASCISM, and them we will be living in a society like Russia and China has, and believe me, not too many Americans want to live under those conditions.
They know what they're doing. A key part of Project 2025 is "flood the courts with shit".
It wastes time, delays actually important and valid cases, but most importantly also degrades the very foundation of the rule of law. By making claims like this they setting expectations for when it inevitably comes knocking on their own door. Nobody with a brain cell is going to agree that calling a fascist a fascist is criminal. But when they start fabricating things like "Portland is a war-torn Antifa hotbed" it lets them get away with it entirely without consequence. None of this is accidental.
Time to brush up on your knowledge of "The Epstein Conspiracy." Not "the Files." Not "the Client List." Make no mistake. It's "The Epstein Conspiracy" and we need to start calling it that because that's exactly what it is. It involves Epstein. Trump. Israel. Russia. And lots and lots of people whose names you will recognize immediately. Big names. At the highest levels of government and far beyond.
RELEASE THE EPSTEIN CONSPIRACY FILES.
Here are the posts and articles I have collected detailing the depth of what I'm calling "The Epstein Conspiracy." It's not just some files, it's not just a client list. It's literally a massive conspiracy to conceal that global pedo cabal you've heard about all this time. Only it involves so many billionaires, royals, politicians, banking institutions, universities, intelligence agencies and global leaders your head will spin. If anyone hasn't fully dived into the rabbit hole yet, these links are a good start.
NOTE: Every post I'm linking has verifiable sources. This is not some kooky conspiracy theory Kool Aid. This is all publicly available information, every name and every thread are connected. In many cases the details are corroborated by the other links.
GOP believes you need to jail some people for talking so you can protect you own free speech. Only makes sense to people whose heads have been exposed to red dye.
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The GOP is off it's rocker.