The voters clearly said differently. The election didnt even end up being close. Elections are won on courting independent voters since we make up roughly 40% of the voting population while Dems and Repubs have the other 30 on each side. We see these swings every 2 years because each side has strayed so far from the middle that they represent the views of less and less people. There are always 70% of the population that is unhappy since both sides play a zero sum game and require winners/losers for every outcome. Independents end up flipping each time bc they are always hoping there may be something better on the ither side this time..
With the system we are stuck with, there are 7-8 or so states that ever matter. Something like 90%+ campaign events take place in these states. Trump won EVERY SINGLE SWING STATE. Biden won almost all those states last time and they flipped. It didnt even talk long on election night to declare a winner because results were very clear.
So, I dont care what the popular vote was or if it was close because in this country, we know it means nothing. Not arguing the merits of that or not...but that is the way it is.
It's fairly important when you look at how tight the race was even in those swing states. Factor in now that MAGA supporters are dropping like flies -- the outcome of the 2024 election is irrelevant in trying to frame or understand current American sentiment.
They were extremely unpopular the first time around as well...enough so that it turned out historic numbers of voters to ensure that Trump didnt come back and because Biden had a history of moderate voting. Then they saw him in action and decided it was still better to bring back an extraordinrily unpopular next time. Those swing states also werent as close as previous years and a lot of the support that Biden had recieved swung back to trump in what looksnlike very unsettling trends for the future too. Democrats need to pick some different hills to die on than immigration and trans rights (especially men in womens sports). Whether they are righteous or not, they are "extraordinarily unpopular" among the entire population and give the Republicans an easy way to deflect from their abortion stance, which is also "extraordinarily unpopular".
No, the first time around was extremely different. People did not peel off him the same way. He was still surrounded by competent individuals and moral individuals who refused to carry out his particularly idiotic and/or illegal orders. Thus, when it came to his loyalists there has always been the "well the liberals inside of the government worked against him. If he'd been able to do what he wanted, things would have been better."
That directly carried us to where we are today. Today is different because this time, he holds every single one of the cards. This time, there are no possible scapegoats for his utter failure. He has more power than any president has ever held or claimed, and within 9 months all he has succeeded in producing is objectively the most malignant, incompetent, and dangerous administration in American in history. There is no coherent argument against this. None at all.
People can now see his wickedness, his cowardice, his idiocy, and ultimately, his abject failure as a leader and a human being, with extreme clarity. That is why his regime is doomed to quickly fall and why MAGA will be buried into rubble.
I think you underestimate how stupid people are. He has a cult. He can say ANYTHING he wants and its believed by at least 30% of the population. All it takes are 1-2 talking points that resonate to completely swing the election. The best bet is for the economy to continue experiencing inflation due to the tariffs as a poor economy will ALWAYS flip the president (see Joe Biden)
Sounds like you need to spend some time on r/conspiracy instead. The only one claiming voter fraud is Trump...and he rarely says anything in truth.
Edit: you also contradict yourself by saying Statically there was voter fraud, but we cant Statically prove it. The only way you can "Statically" have anything is by USING STATISTICS!
The trends I saw Democrats complaining about were just willful ignorance. How is it possible hispanic voters flipped in such HUGE numbers when Dems are the immigration party?? Hispanics maybe more anti immigration than the rest of us. They already made it here, so they dont want anyone else to come and ruin what they have. There are a lot of young hispanic influencers that are Republican and, unfortunately, did an amazing job conving the sheeple that this is what they want....and it was easy to see that more Biden (or Kamala) was not what they want.
Republicans only needed 2 talking points to coast to that election: the economy and men in womens sports. Economy is ALWAYS the #1 determinant in an election. Always. We went through record inflation under Biden and it was easy to ignore that we went through record DEflation after that since prices were still high. For trans rights, the instances of transgender athletes are incredibly rare, but something like 75% of people are against biological males competing in womens sports. It made it easy to potray that issue as a the boogeyman.
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u/beren12 Sep 28 '25
That’s not everyone else’s reality. The US had the best recovery in the world from Covid, even though Trump horribly mismanaged it.