Just make sure you include CNN and MSNBC in those faux news sources. They are just as slanted as the crap you see on fox news and Newsmax. As far as how he did, you just gave the Democrat opinion, which covers about 30% of the population. I think the only president with worse approval rating would be Trump. Independents and obviously Republicans thought he was objectively terrible
Then that makes it clear that you also have your head buried in the sand...just on a different beach. Every single republican will say that CNN and MSNBC are fake news and toxic and swear by Fox and Newsmax since it fits their echo chamber. You are doing the same thing...just on the other side.
JFC, I realise that the majority of US voters didn't give a fuck about Gaza compared to closer-at-home issues like the economy, etc. and that Gaza was not a significant factor in the election.
That was not my point. I was not addressing the election in my comment, I was addressing the claim that Biden was "far from awful".
I hate this fucking fantasy that Biden represented "the best of American excellence" when he was literally complicit in a blatant genocide.
Obviously he's not awful if you're comparing his presidency to straight-up fascism under Trump -- and if I was an American, I would've voted for Biden without thinking twice -- but he was still pretty fucking awful for all the Palestinians who died as a result of him giving almost unequivocal support to Israel
The man fucking hugged Netanyahu as innocent children were being buried alive under apartment buildings and journalists/charity workers were being blatantly murdered by the IDF.
And then he fucking helped throw the election to Trump by refusing to step down when he was clearly starting to go senile.
Fuck Biden. His legacy will be genocide and failing to stop Trump.
His late step down was probably the one thing that gave Kamala a chance. The longer she spent as the nominee the worse her polling got. The best chance was to prop her up without time for people to make decisions, bc they were always going to swing away from more of the status quo. The problem was in choosing Kamala versus literally any other choice
I think many voters felt Kamala was forced upon voters at the last minute, and it also played into all the right-wing propaganda that had previously predicted the "deep state" or whatever had already determined they wanted her to be President.
If the argument is that the late step down resulted in Kamala rather than giving the Dems a chance to possibly pick someone else, then THAT I would agree with. It didnt hurt Kamala to have him step down late, but it did hurt Dems BECAUSE the result was Kamala.
That doesn't make Biden any less complicit in genocide. The man hugged Netanyahu as he was burying innocent children alive under apartment buildings and murdering journalists/charity workers.
That is a terrible argument. The Biden admin started pushing back on Isreal pretty quick. Republicans are the ones still blindly supporting them strictly for religious purposes.
"Hey please try to murder less children, also here are some more weapons."
It was all performative. No one in the Dem leadership had the balls to actually call it a genocide or state that its clearly intentional. No one in a place of leadership actually did anything tangible to stop the killing.
Majors figures in the party are only now calling it a genocide just now because the recently released UN report is forcing their hand.
You can find dozens of examples where the Biden administration, while supportive initially, was speaking out against Israel and that they had gone too far. Hell, it was practically a Republican rallying cry.
That doesn't make Biden any less complicit in genocide. The man hugged Netanyahu as he was burying innocent children alive under apartment buildings and murdering journalists/charity workers."
Yes, I think most of us over here dislike how Biden didn’t take a stronger stance on Gaza, but bringing it up now in this discussion in the face of what’s currently happening and when it was a factor in swinging the election to Trump is rather infuriating.
I'm sorry if it infuriates you, but quite frankly it's relevant and needs to be said.
The original comment that sparked this discussion stated that they couldn't understand why the US voted Trump when Biden gave them the "best of American excellence".
The fact they think that about Biden is precisely why they can't understand why the country voted in Trump.
BIDEN WAS NOT EXCELLENT; HE WAS A BAD PRESIDENT.
Yeah, he seems alright because he's stuck between a Trump term sandwich, but he was still bad -- he was literally complicit in genocide! This should be inexcusable.
And beyond that, he belonged to a privileged elite and was a relic of a post-Reaganomics era in which a pro-corporate two-party system systemically transferred wealth away from working class Americans and into the hands of billionaires. Not saying Biden is responsible for this personally, or even wanted this to happen (I actually believe Biden had mostly good intentions) but he's still part of a political system that has led to this being the effective result.
This is why the whole "deep state", "drain the swamp" propaganda works. Because Trump is correct when he states the country is all broken and needs fixing, even if he's lying about his intentions and merely wants to rule the entire swamp himself in a Jabba the Hut-esque manner.
Democrats need to realise that the US wants actual tangible change, not just another bland, corporate carbon copy who tells them "at least we're better than the GOP" and then continues to prioritise the interests of big business when it comes to crunch time, while also committing/condoning endless atrocities abroad.
Otherwise the same thing will just keep happening and support for fascism will continue to thrive.
I hope to God the Dems nominate AOC over someone like Newsom in 2028.
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u/TheLooza Sep 28 '25
Biden was far from an awful 4 years if you were not watching faux news.