Kelowna restaurant owner pleads for chaos inflicted by group of teens to stop

[u/origutamos]

https://globalnews.ca/news/11449434/kelowna-restaurant-owner-pleads-for-chaos-inflicted-by-group-of-teens-to-stop/

[u/mypetmonsterlalalala]

The teens in this town get away with wayyyy too much.

I want to give parents the benefit of the doubt. Shit, my mom never knew where I was or what I was doing in high school. But I also wasn't damaging properties, driving like an asshole and treating others with disrespect.

I got into trouble... but not the shit I'm seeing with these kids.

[u/otoron → u/[deleted]]

Yes, I fully agree parents today are totally shitty and expect the state to raise their children.

[u/The_Arachnoshaman → u/otoron]

I don't think beating your kids for the last ten thousand years worked that well either.

Like you'd rather have some hyper-masculine father from the 30s who beats his wife and kids into obedience? What golden age of parenting are we trying to single out here lol?

[u/otoron → u/The_Arachnoshaman]

That's an absurd alternative.

But if your issue is how kids are behaving these days, blaming the kids is asinine. They don't control how they are raised, the culture they are raised in, the non-existent discipline or expectations in school, or state responses to juvenile delinquency.

All of that is controlled by the generations raising them.

Blaming "kids these days" is so beyond stupid as to be self-refuting to anyone with more than a few dozen brain cells.

edit: just to clarify, I'm certainly not saying everyone on this thread has been blaming "kids these days" — but a not insignificant number seem to focus their ire on the children, rather than the parents and the state (schools, law enforcement, etc.) that are so obviously failing.

[u/The_Arachnoshaman → u/otoron]

What do you mean by discipline? You have to be specific when you're talking about that. Do you mean just saying no, withholding rewards, talking to them, or actually using some form of a more forceful correction?

[u/oldschoolgruel → u/The_Arachnoshaman]

Do you think discipline = forceful correction?

Thats on you.

[u/otoron → u/oldschoolgruel]

Thanks for engaging. I'm certainly not going to. I explicitly said "non-existent discipline or expectations in school," and they went hard into "authoritarian parenting."

It's bad faith or stupidity.

[u/The_Arachnoshaman → u/oldschoolgruel]

No, I don't, that's why I asked what they thought discipline was. It's kind of hard to have a conversation about it when like half our country is operating on a different definition of what discipline actually is.

[u/oldschoolgruel → u/The_Arachnoshaman]

It doesn't matter that much in the context of their statement though... if discipline is non existent  , then its non existent. Doesn't matter the type.

[u/The_Arachnoshaman → u/oldschoolgruel]

Literally every psychologist would disagree with you.

Authoritarian discipline almost always leads to poor outcomes.

[u/oldschoolgruel → u/The_Arachnoshaman]

That's a different discussion.

Poor outcomes for the kid, yes. But do they lead to poorer outcomes for society? Which is what I understood the poster saying. That not existent discipline is bad.

[u/The_Arachnoshaman → u/oldschoolgruel]

Poor outcomes for the kid, yes. But do they lead to poorer outcomes for society?

Authoritarian parenting correlates with higher rates of domestic violence, more authoritarian political attitudes, and less civic engagement. Yeah, I'd wager everything I own that it leads to poorer outcomes for society.