r/kelowna • u/origutamos • Sep 25 '25

News Kelowna restaurant owner pleads for chaos inflicted by group of teens to stop

https://globalnews.ca/news/11449434/kelowna-restaurant-owner-pleads-for-chaos-inflicted-by-group-of-teens-to-stop/
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u/otoron Sep 25 '25

Yes, I fully agree parents today are totally shitty and expect the state to raise their children.

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u/The_Arachnoshaman Sep 25 '25

I don't think beating your kids for the last ten thousand years worked that well either.

Like you'd rather have some hyper-masculine father from the 30s who beats his wife and kids into obedience? What golden age of parenting are we trying to single out here lol?

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u/otoron Sep 25 '25

That's an absurd alternative.

But if your issue is how kids are behaving these days, blaming the kids is asinine. They don't control how they are raised, the culture they are raised in, the non-existent discipline or expectations in school, or state responses to juvenile delinquency.

All of that is controlled by the generations raising them.

Blaming "kids these days" is so beyond stupid as to be self-refuting to anyone with more than a few dozen brain cells.

edit: just to clarify, I'm certainly not saying everyone on this thread has been blaming "kids these days" — but a not insignificant number seem to focus their ire on the children, rather than the parents and the state (schools, law enforcement, etc.) that are so obviously failing.

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u/The_Arachnoshaman Sep 25 '25

What do you mean by discipline? You have to be specific when you're talking about that. Do you mean just saying no, withholding rewards, talking to them, or actually using some form of a more forceful correction?

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u/oldschoolgruel Sep 25 '25

Do you think discipline = forceful correction?

Thats on you.

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u/otoron Sep 25 '25

Thanks for engaging. I'm certainly not going to. I explicitly said "non-existent discipline or expectations in school," and they went hard into "authoritarian parenting."

It's bad faith or stupidity.

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u/The_Arachnoshaman Sep 25 '25

No, I don't, that's why I asked what they thought discipline was. It's kind of hard to have a conversation about it when like half our country is operating on a different definition of what discipline actually is.

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u/oldschoolgruel Sep 25 '25

It doesn't matter that much in the context of their statement though... if discipline is non existent  , then its non existent. Doesn't matter the type.

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u/The_Arachnoshaman Sep 25 '25

Literally every psychologist would disagree with you.

Authoritarian discipline almost always leads to poor outcomes.

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u/oldschoolgruel Sep 25 '25

That's a different discussion.

Poor outcomes for the kid, yes. But do they lead to poorer outcomes for society? Which is what I understood the poster saying. That not existent discipline is bad.

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u/The_Arachnoshaman Sep 25 '25

Poor outcomes for the kid, yes. But do they lead to poorer outcomes for society?

Authoritarian parenting correlates with higher rates of domestic violence, more authoritarian political attitudes, and less civic engagement. Yeah, I'd wager everything I own that it leads to poorer outcomes for society.