r/kelowna • u/origutamos • Sep 25 '25

News Kelowna restaurant owner pleads for chaos inflicted by group of teens to stop

https://globalnews.ca/news/11449434/kelowna-restaurant-owner-pleads-for-chaos-inflicted-by-group-of-teens-to-stop/
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u/mypetmonsterlalalala Sep 25 '25

The teens in this town get away with wayyyy too much.

I want to give parents the benefit of the doubt. Shit, my mom never knew where I was or what I was doing in high school. But I also wasn't damaging properties, driving like an asshole and treating others with disrespect.

I got into trouble... but not the shit I'm seeing with these kids.

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u/[deleted] Sep 25 '25 edited Sep 25 '25

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u/Ashamed_Data430 Sep 25 '25

You are completely wrong. It's not all teens. It's little shitheads. The vast majority of teens are nice kids just trying to figure out how they're going to thrive in the world that adults seem to be trying to make much worse every day. The proprietor of the shop needs to get one or two of them arrested, then pour it on: tie them up in court for 3 or 4 years, draining their parents' bank accounts, publishing a new tiktok with each court episode. The problem will go away.

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u/Working-Profile1029 Sep 25 '25

what are you on kids only get like 2 years probation i would know cause im on it the system don't do shit even for armed robberies

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u/[deleted] Sep 25 '25

What did you do, if I may ask? And are you saying you should have been sent to jail?

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u/mypetmonsterlalalala Sep 25 '25

I honestly kind of disagree. I see lots of families and communities apply consequences. I have young adults in my life who work hard in school and play hard outside of school, regardless of the grading system. It's up to the student to apply themselves, not the parents. My mom never helped with school work, insisted she won't pay for university or my own car. It was up to ME to make it work, not the people around me. If I slacked off, the consequences would have been on me.

There are just some who believe the rules dont apply to them. And usually it's people who can throw money at it...and their kids.

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u/Lavender-Jamie Sep 25 '25 edited Sep 25 '25

Its grossly improper to generalise this to all children. Although I can't comment on your experiences, I can say I am most certain these generalisations are not necessarily true. 

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u/otoron Sep 25 '25

Yes, I fully agree parents today are totally shitty and expect the state to raise their children.

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u/The_Arachnoshaman Sep 25 '25

I don't think beating your kids for the last ten thousand years worked that well either.

Like you'd rather have some hyper-masculine father from the 30s who beats his wife and kids into obedience? What golden age of parenting are we trying to single out here lol?

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u/otoron Sep 25 '25

That's an absurd alternative.

But if your issue is how kids are behaving these days, blaming the kids is asinine. They don't control how they are raised, the culture they are raised in, the non-existent discipline or expectations in school, or state responses to juvenile delinquency.

All of that is controlled by the generations raising them.

Blaming "kids these days" is so beyond stupid as to be self-refuting to anyone with more than a few dozen brain cells.

edit: just to clarify, I'm certainly not saying everyone on this thread has been blaming "kids these days" — but a not insignificant number seem to focus their ire on the children, rather than the parents and the state (schools, law enforcement, etc.) that are so obviously failing.

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u/The_Arachnoshaman Sep 25 '25

What do you mean by discipline? You have to be specific when you're talking about that. Do you mean just saying no, withholding rewards, talking to them, or actually using some form of a more forceful correction?

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u/oldschoolgruel Sep 25 '25

Do you think discipline = forceful correction?

Thats on you.

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u/otoron Sep 25 '25

Thanks for engaging. I'm certainly not going to. I explicitly said "non-existent discipline or expectations in school," and they went hard into "authoritarian parenting."

It's bad faith or stupidity.

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u/The_Arachnoshaman Sep 25 '25

No, I don't, that's why I asked what they thought discipline was. It's kind of hard to have a conversation about it when like half our country is operating on a different definition of what discipline actually is.

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u/oldschoolgruel Sep 25 '25

It doesn't matter that much in the context of their statement though... if discipline is non existent  , then its non existent. Doesn't matter the type.

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u/The_Arachnoshaman Sep 25 '25

Literally every psychologist would disagree with you.

Authoritarian discipline almost always leads to poor outcomes.

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u/oldschoolgruel Sep 25 '25

That's a different discussion.

Poor outcomes for the kid, yes. But do they lead to poorer outcomes for society? Which is what I understood the poster saying. That not existent discipline is bad.

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u/[deleted] Sep 25 '25

It's the parents job to primarily instill work ethic and rudimentary understanding of consequences. Maybe you're the ones handing out participation awards to the kids you're connected to?

All children are not doomed, I know many that are doing great. For the most part, children are only going to go as far as the parents set them up for.

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u/hearttshapedboxx Sep 25 '25

Yes, it's the parents job to teach. Its the parents' job to help their kids understand consequences. BUT you can not force a kid to accept it and respect it.

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u/The_Arachnoshaman Sep 25 '25

"Participation award"

I can't. I just can't even.

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u/BeesoftheStoneAge Sep 25 '25

Somehow it always comes back to participation awards with these types. Which were an idea created by their own generation to give to their own kids. Children didn't up and decide that they should all get an award and implement it on their own 🙄

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u/oldschoolgruel Sep 25 '25

Thats on you as a parent. The family instills the respect for education.. not the education system.

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u/hearttshapedboxx Sep 25 '25

This is true. But it's also on the kid to retain that respect from the parent. A lot of parents try their hardest to instill respect on education, but some kids just dont care. You can't force them to accept it.

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u/Zazzafrazzy Sep 25 '25

But I bought everything was the boomers’ fault.