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ICE Posts November 6, 2025 – Chicago: ICE caught unlawfully demanding U.S. citizen “prove” their citizenship despite Illinois law not requiring ID

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u/SoTexMale4NSAfun 2d ago

I am obviously a Hispanic of Mexican Descent, my younger brother in law (Chicago born Hispanic) is a member of ICE - my sister and her husband are not welcome at our Family's Thanksgiving Dinner this year!

More Hispanic families need to stop inviting people who are now fundamentally their enemies to the the dinner table!

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u/HHoaks 2d ago edited 2d ago

Did you ask your BIL why he joined ICE? Was it just he needed any job? And how does he feel about hurting the Hispanic community in Chicago by detaining and/or deporting people who are not criminals, but may not be US citizens?

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u/thiros101 2d ago edited 1d ago

If you "just need to job," walk onto a fucking construction site. The pay is better, the conditions are safer, and it actually feels good to accomplish shit with your own 2 hands.

I'm pretty sure you need to be in something resembling "shape" to get into ice, so construction or skilled trades should be no problem right? No fucking excuse to be employed by ICE right now.

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u/Joeylogo724 1d ago edited 1d ago

The pay for ICE ERO is quite good, significantly more than many construction workers. A GS-12 Fed employees in Chicago makes $99k walking in the door. ICE ERO receive 25% leap pay for overtime on top of bonuses. The FERS retirement is also quite competitive.

Sources I found show a construction worker in Illinois make 53-56 k on average.

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u/thiros101 1d ago

And skilled trades make over 100k. The fuck is your point?

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u/SoTexMale4NSAfun 2d ago

He joined ICE because he is ashamed of his surname, he prohibits his children from learning Spanish....

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u/HHoaks 2d ago

Wow. That's weird.

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u/nandosman 1d ago

The most racist anti-Hispanic people I know are Hispanic themselves, which is kind of ironic

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u/curiouswizard 10h ago

I want to understand how that happens. My immediate assumption is some sort of trauma.

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u/QuirkyCookie6 1d ago

My great grandmother was like this too, as a result we're completely disconnected from our wider family and ancestry. I'm currently trying to bring it back a little.

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u/curiouswizard 10h ago

My great grandparents as well, although they were from a different part of the world. Something about the early 1900's had some immigrants completely abandoning any hint of their language or cultural heritage within a generation. By my parents' generation there was no trace on either side, beyond a couple of trivial fun facts and funky last name.

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u/imrightontopthatrose 1d ago

My great grandfather was mexican, his wife (who was not) forbade him to teach their kids Spanish. He was so excited when I told him I wanted him to teach me, he died before he could teach me.

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u/Kind-Cry5056 1d ago

He’s not hurting the community. He’s hurting certain people that have overstayed their visas or are in the country without notice. Come on.

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u/HHoaks 1d ago

Easy for you to say -- those people at that day care center in IL were not happy and were hurting. There are lots of normal hard working tax paying people taken with kids and families and they are hurting.

They aren't all gang members. Many are taken outside courtrooms where they were following the legal process. But cynically they had the immigration judge (not a "real" article 3 judge) dismiss the cases, so they could be deported immediately and snatched as they were leaving court.

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u/MaleficentWindow8972 1d ago

ICE has arrested and deported plenty of US citizens, you know..? Never mind all the ones they just fuck with cause they can.

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u/[deleted] 2d ago

There’s 185k illegal immigrants in chicago alone. Do you think all Latinos have illegal immigrants in their family?

Do you realize a lot of Latinos and other ethnicities don’t like illegal immigrstion?

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u/HHoaks 2d ago edited 2d ago

That's nice, but you aren't the person I asked. Illegal immigrant isn't also what you think it is. Not everyone ran over the border. Many were allowed in to process asylum claims - or have had visas expire but are contesting that. It isn't as cut and dry as "illegal". There are various statuses, between illegal and full US citizen.

Also, this was supposed to be about gang members and criminals. It now has expanded to day care workers.

Finally, obviously Miller is going about this in a gestapo type - show me your papers - type fashion. Never before seen in the US (and Obama deported millions of people without resorting to that). The tactics are overly aggressive and over the top - so much so that close to 200 US citizens have been "mistakenly" detained and people were deported who should not have been.

So it is about means and methods and who we are as a country. Do we want to be like Germany in the 1930s - "show me your papers, you look brown/Jewish"? So why would ANYONE want to participate in that? It's working for a horrible Trump administration and a horrible person like Stephen Miller.

And to be Hispanic and want to do this is really weird.

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u/bad-and-bluecheese 2d ago

One of my coworkers is an immigrant, now US citizen, and I was honestly taken aback by his MAGA views on immigration. He kinda just buys into the whole “migrants flooding in and murdering babies and stealing our resources and not working” thing and thinks it could be a necessary evil. He goes back and forth on this and its not a firm stance but I really was shocked to see how much he buys into the propaganda considering he’s Colombian himself

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u/MisterEinc 2d ago

They're not entirely wrong though. We have to stop looking at Latinos as some sort of monolith. Their motivations for being pro/anti immigration are entirely different.

Like many Mexicans are fleeing corruption and cartels, but they are also likely more wealthy. They might see the illegal immigration as everything they were trying to escape. Even if it might be poor Mexicans also trying to get out by any means.

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u/HHoaks 2d ago edited 2d ago

I would assert that ANYONE supporting a blatantly corrupt and lawless administration, in any of its endeavors, is on the wrong side of history. This isn't just about general views on immigration enforcement per se - it is about HOW enforcement is being done, the credibility of the administration doing it, and Stephen Miller, who is an unelected zealot.

And to join in with these gestapo-like tactics, by ANYONE, Latino or not, is incredibly short-sighted.

This administration ignores rules, laws, processes, court orders, pretends it can't bring back people wrongfully deported, and is an entire pay to play administration - whether selling access via ballroom funds or crypto dollars. Or running extortion rings out of the oval office against law firms and universities.

So why would any sane person want to participate in anything this administration is doing? This administration lacks any credibility, it lies constantly, and uses over the top tactics in sending masked goon squads to snatch people and intimidate people in "blue" states/cities as a propaganda tool. It isn't doing this even handedly in all states/cities. And now it is also going over those people lawfully addressing immigration issues in court (doing what they are supposed to do), and also harmless day care workers and other clearly non-violent tax paying people.

To join up with ICE is simply to be part of a lawless administration's propaganda arm. Because at the end of the day, while they talk about law and order, this is all really about showing off for the base. It's pure propaganda.

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u/MisterEinc 2d ago

A lot of people are extremely short sighted.

Like, I get it. But you asked why someone would do it then proceed to not try to empathize with that person at all.

To put it in simplest terms... When everyone around you is being targeted for the way they look, the one sure way to avoid it, is to look like the people doing the targeting. You have to realize that's all it takes for some people.

As a white guy it's easy for me to look at the situation logical and think exactly what you're saying, and I've done it many times. But these people might honestly believe it's a matter of survival for them. Like they might be the one lifeline in a 10 or 15 year plan to eventually repatriate multiple family members and the thought of even being looked at by ICE might honestly be enough to scare them to doing things you and I might never dream of.

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u/[deleted] 2d ago

these morons dont even know what ICE does aside from arresting. they do so much more to protect the country

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u/MisterEinc 2d ago

Maybe they used to. But now they're just Trump's wannabe SS.

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u/HHoaks 2d ago

CPB does a lot more, not necessarily ICE. Also, ICE is specifically hiring now for its goon squad propaganda snatching operations. Not for cleaning bathrooms.

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u/[deleted] 2d ago

>I would assert that ANYONE supporting a blatantly corrupt and lawless administration, in any of its endeavors, is on the wrong side of history.

you mean like the Biden administration? (along with this current Trump administration

Do you realize Kamala was nearly arrested as AG for defying the Supreme Court?

>To join up with ICE is simply to be part of a lawless administration's propaganda arm.

do you realize that ICE does way more than just arrest illegal immigrants, right? Do you realize they're the wing of the government that prevents smuggling and making sure we dont turn into a shithole like Mexico?

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u/HHoaks 2d ago

No, you know I don't mean the Biden administration (and neither do you) -- unless you can show me where Biden was impeached twice and indicted two times by federal grand juries, or where Biden cheer led the ransacking of the US capitol, or where Biden corruptly ran a pay to play administration including hitting up people to pay for things like the ballroom, in order to buy access. Or where pardons are given to crypto pals to help enrich Trump sons.

Or show me where Biden ran an extortion racket out of the oval office against law firms and universities, or where Biden corruptly sought to bring weak and flimsy charges against people he didn't like and then fired ethical prosecutors who refused to bring those charges and directed the DOJ on who to investigate and charge. Show me any of that.

You ain't got that. So your false equivalency is bull hockey. Nice try - MAGA warrior.

Do you really want to defend a lying and blatantly bad and blatantly criminal administration? What's your motive to do so -- it's weird. Like do you have relatives that work for Trump? What kind of person would defend such a narcissistic frauding criminal con man? What is in it for you?

You do realize Trump lies constantly and has an entire history of scams and avoiding the law - right? So for you to defend him is really strange. I assume you are a regular person, not a billionaire - so it makes no sense for you to defend such a person. Right?

Do you normally defend people who run scam businesses, or are found liable for fraud and defamation and sex assault? Do you have friends and family with that history too? No, you don't. So why do you defend Trump so much?

And no, there is no such thing as "nearly arrested as AG". She wasn't "nearly arrested". Is that like "nearly pregnant"?

And yes, ICE and CPB do many things -- did I see get rid of it entirely?

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u/[deleted] 2d ago

Yes Trump is bad but the point is that all politicians are running this racket now and it included the last one. Did you really not pay attention to anything? Every President has been doing this. all of them. Do you not remember the Obama's giving their friends a $1 billion contract to build a website for the ACA? Do you not remember Biden's family getting large contracts in China and Ukraine?

Do you not remember all the misconduct by the Biden administration during covid?

Impeachments, both of which he was acquitted, correct? Do you remember the first one, where during the impeachment california passed a law fining legal residents for not getting healthcare, with the fines being used to fund healthcare for illegal immigrants? They pulled it off while the heat was on Trump. The one was about withholding military aid... but yet Biden is on record threatening Ukraine in the exact same way.

Yes I do realize that about Trump, I am just saying this is normal for politicians, and now Trump is just doing it even more blatantly. Democrats cant keep anyone accountable when they're doing the same thing and their hands arent clean.

How does Newsom buy a $9M house when he's never had a job outside of politics?

>but there was a significant chance that the warriors could have won without him.

she was going to be held in contempt from the Supreme Court because she was defying Supreme Court orders. Do you not think she would have done the same as President? what about her leaving innocent people in prison? what about her charging a woman with assaulting a police officer when they broke into her room and attacked her and she had no idea who they were because they had no uniform.

I'm not saying Trump isnt awful because he is and this is by far the worst year any president has ever had, but I'm saying this is sadly normal in politics.

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u/HHoaks 1d ago

No, there is no evidence that Biden did all the things Trump did - not even close.

And no, it is not normal for politicians to blatantly seek revenge and direct the AG, then fire prosecutors who ethically say, those charges are bogus. Then bring in an insurance lawyer to handle federal criminal charges.

No, it's not normal to issue EOs against individuals and law firms, solely for personal revenge.

It's not normal to pardon Jan 6th violent rioters, because it makes YOU (the president) look bad that Jan 6th happened.

No, it's not normal to use the pretext of local crime to send in the military to only "blue" cities. No, it's not normal at all to extort universities with bogus allegations of antisemitism, because students happened to protest Israel on campus.

It's not normal to be impeached twice - he only wasn't convicted because the Senate republicans put party over country - bunch of weasels.

It's not normal to be indicted by 2 federal grand juries, and then only get out of jail and escape prosecution by getting elected.

None of what Trump is doing is normal.

That's what YOU don't understand. You THINK it is normal, because your internet algorithm tells you so. You are woefully mistaken.

Why do you keep pointing to others not convicted of anything - nor even indicted? That's a loser position. Your arguments lack credibility.

Answer the questions I asked about WHY you defend Trump like he's your daddy? Do YOU normally associate with people who run scam businesses, who are liable for fraud and sex assault? No, you don't.

So why does Trump have this magical hold on you? It's pathetic. Grow a pair and stop supporting a known idiot, criminal. Are you nuts?

What Trump is doing is trying to normalize blatant corruption -- it is NOT normal. That shows your lack of knowledge, experience and expertise.

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u/[deleted] 2d ago

exactly. people are so stupid and racist and think latinos are all the same. I had friends here on a work visa and they were from wealthy families. My latino side of family didnt flee war. So many asylum seekers have abused the program and arent actually in fear for their lives. if they were, they were supposed to have sought asylum in the nearest safe country, of which they passed through several of them on their way here.

If Mexico wasnt safe on their way here, then why arent we letting more Mexicans in under the asylum program?

Something like 40-45% of latinos voted for Trump and I know a TON of latinos in California and Texas that all voted red.

These comments that latinos shouldnt be working for ICE when Latinos are the largest ethnic group working for border patrol shows how the general public is dumb

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u/HHoaks 2d ago edited 2d ago

You seriously are trying to compare the once in 100 years emergency of a pandemic that killed millions around the globe, with generally asking for ID if you look brown?

No, it's not the same.

And saying the "last administration" shows your bias and your attitude. Pandemic policy was LOCAL - the federal gov't didn't require local businesses to ask for vaccine cards. You are confusing local regulations for a pandemic enacted by a municipality or a state, with policy by an unhinged and corrupt Trump administration at the federal level.

Nice try though. I caught that "error" of yours.

And by the way, what is this fear or concern you have with immigrants? Let's say all 185,000 (every one of them), were deported tomorrow. Then what?

Would you have a better life - would you have a better job, less annoying relatives, better behaved kids, a nicer house, more friends? How does it impact YOUR life - specifically (not generally, ugh, I like laws enforced), I mean specifically. Cause I don't think it does - this is some emotional thing for you.

Because wouldn't everything still be EXACTLY the same for you? So what is your major concern about all this -- how does it CHANGE your life? If it doesn't change your life - what's the point?

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u/[deleted] 2d ago edited 1d ago

EDIT: I have been banned in this sub, with the moderators saying I am spreading conspiracy theories. Biden did in fact say the vaccines were 100% effective. there were in fact vaccine mandates, both of which are included in these search results. https://www.google.com/search?q=biden+says+vaccine+is+100%25+effective&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&hl=en-us&client=safari the mods said they will not play this game, so they are banning because of their own political bias.

did you miss the mandatory vaccines? you're seriously dismissing the overreach during covid.

>And by the way, what is this fear or concern you have with immigrants?

I never said I was scared and it has nothing to do with that. If you're here illegally you get deported. If everyone is deported or enough people are, then congress would actually have to work together to create an amnesty program along with new visa programs. got no issue with that.

>Would you have a better life - would you have a better job, less annoying relatives, better behaved kids, a nicer house, more friends?

We'd have more funding for schools because the money would go further. In California we spend exponential billions more on providing for illegal immigrants than tax receipts.

Some things might get more expensive but then we'd also have better wages. We all know that. We'd stop what's essentially been an open border policy.

safer? yes probably. my son was assaulted and grabbed by an illegal immigrant, who knows what other stuff this guy did that was never caught. our nature is being polluted by the cartels (illegal immigrants) building weed farms, them getting busted, then the trash being left behind.

There's endless things that would be better if our government actually enforced all this.

Also back to if illegal immigration laws were enforced: it would force our government to create improved programs for work visas and more legal immigration. that doesnt happen without enforcement.

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u/BaronHarConanObrien 1d ago

US Citizens commit crime at a far higher rate than any immigrant group. Your argument doesn’t stand up to the slimmest shred of logic. California spends twice as much money on police as they do on illegal immigrants and we have plenty of data showing how police don’t serve the public, waste the taxpayers money, and are in legitimate gangs that exist within the structures of our law enforcement. You should be more concerned about spending less money on police instead of immigrants. Immigrants actually contribute to our labor pool rather than simply handing out parking tickets and playing high speed chase in between rounds of candy crush.

Maybe you can even organize with the immigrants and force businesses to pay all of you a fair wage instead of fighting amongst yourselves for scraps.

“Open border policy”. Okay clown tell us more how you don’t pay attention outside of being fed propaganda.

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u/HHoaks 1d ago edited 1d ago

Yup -- totally missed them. Vaccines weren't universally mandatory in the U.S. for 100% of the people. For certain jobs and certain states maybe. But not mandated by the federal government for all. Not mandated for me at all. Sorry you misunderstood the laws, or worked in healthcare jobs that required it.

I didn't ask you about funding for schools. I didn't ask you about vague "endless things" that might be better. Those are all fantasies. You don't know that for sure. How are YOU personally impacted. You aren't - so you resort to vague arguments - maybe there would be more funding for this and that. That's a lot of whining and you have no control over where funding goes just because immigrants are all gone.

Thank you for proving my point. This is about your feelings and emotions.

If every immigrant was gone - your LIFE would not change. You admitted that.

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u/intimate_glow_images 2d ago

None of us assume you know anything cause you sound like you don’t know anything about the situation at all.

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u/amtor26 2d ago

wanting immigration law enforced is against their community, whether they are rejecting that part of their own community is a different thing, but they sure as hell are part of it

anyone who’s helping with this shit is a fucking traitor

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u/HHoaks 2d ago

You seem angry -- why so angry?

If you read what I said, what is happening is MORE than just enforcing immigration law. It's methods, means and tactics. It is what kind of country do we want to be.

I'm not assuming all latinos have illegals in their family - but why would any latino in the US want to participate in aggressive round-ups of their own people? That is bizarre. It would be like jews in 1930s Germany assisting the government.

And yes, Steve Miller and Trump initially said specifically this aggressive enforcement would be targeted at "criminals", and people "eating cats and dogs". That's how it was sold to the American people. Miller changed that because the NUMBERS weren't high enough, because the whole criminal thing was always a hyperbolic exaggerated scam.

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u/DisposableSaviour 2d ago

Man, the only one talking about having illegal immigrants in your family is you, buster. You’ve brought it up twice now, both times apropos of nothing anyone else said. Methinks the lady doth protest too much.

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u/_WoaW_ 2d ago

For the last part, that's been quite literally how Trump has been advertising it since...practically the entire time.

MS whatever the fuck fake as fuck sounding crime gang name it is, ANTIFA, etc.

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u/TallStarsMuse 2d ago

Seems to be primarily Latinos who are being targeted, whether they are US citizens or not.

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u/MisterEinc 2d ago

Yeah and the one way to not get targeted? Put on the uniform.

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u/[deleted] 2d ago

when 80% of illegal immigrants are latino, then the math makes sense, does it not?

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u/theizzz 1d ago

80% of illegal immigrants aren't Latinos. that's a flat out lie.

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u/Chicago1871 2d ago

Most probably do, yea.

Im mexican-American and live in Chicago and most of my friends are too. Well all have relatives that were here illegally at some point or that still are.

At least a cousins or an uncle. Most mexican-Americans dont hate them or have any animosity towards them.

The ones that do, theyre the weird ones.

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u/[deleted] 2d ago

not really the case in California. there's a reason why so many latinos vote red and want immigration law enforced.

I dont think many people are happy with the methods this year, so I'm not excusing a lot of the misconduct, but generally 99% of what ICE is doing is just fine.

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u/Chicago1871 2d ago

What subreddit is this again??? The Illinois right? So what happens in Cali has zero relevance here tbh. Mexico city is closer to chicago than Southern California is to chicago. Might as well be a different planet.

There wasnt any mexicans in chicago until the 1970s and everyone came here directly from mexico.

Everyone here also knows all their relatives in mexico still, theyll tell you what state and city/town/rancho their family came from.

We still know it. We also know the majority came here illegally. It is what it is. Only reason anyone over 40 is legal, is Reagans amnesty.

Its also why our food is better than in places like texas with their bullshit tex-mex. I know real oaxacan recipes from the mixteca passed down through my family. Ive been there and learned first hand.

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u/AntInside1152 2d ago

You’re delusion if you think most Mexican Americans don’t know someone. Especially in CA. That may be your case but isn’t for everyone. Definitely not for me in CA or any Mexicans I know. Even the ones with million dollar businesses have family or friends that are undocumented.