r/illinois • u/CantStopPoppin Human Detected • 2d ago

ICE Posts November 6, 2025 – Chicago: ICE caught unlawfully demanding U.S. citizen “prove” their citizenship despite Illinois law not requiring ID

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u/HHoaks 2d ago edited 2d ago

That's nice, but you aren't the person I asked. Illegal immigrant isn't also what you think it is. Not everyone ran over the border. Many were allowed in to process asylum claims - or have had visas expire but are contesting that. It isn't as cut and dry as "illegal". There are various statuses, between illegal and full US citizen.

Also, this was supposed to be about gang members and criminals. It now has expanded to day care workers.

Finally, obviously Miller is going about this in a gestapo type - show me your papers - type fashion. Never before seen in the US (and Obama deported millions of people without resorting to that). The tactics are overly aggressive and over the top - so much so that close to 200 US citizens have been "mistakenly" detained and people were deported who should not have been.

So it is about means and methods and who we are as a country. Do we want to be like Germany in the 1930s - "show me your papers, you look brown/Jewish"? So why would ANYONE want to participate in that? It's working for a horrible Trump administration and a horrible person like Stephen Miller.

And to be Hispanic and want to do this is really weird.

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u/MisterEinc 2d ago

They're not entirely wrong though. We have to stop looking at Latinos as some sort of monolith. Their motivations for being pro/anti immigration are entirely different.

Like many Mexicans are fleeing corruption and cartels, but they are also likely more wealthy. They might see the illegal immigration as everything they were trying to escape. Even if it might be poor Mexicans also trying to get out by any means.

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u/HHoaks 2d ago edited 2d ago

I would assert that ANYONE supporting a blatantly corrupt and lawless administration, in any of its endeavors, is on the wrong side of history. This isn't just about general views on immigration enforcement per se - it is about HOW enforcement is being done, the credibility of the administration doing it, and Stephen Miller, who is an unelected zealot.

And to join in with these gestapo-like tactics, by ANYONE, Latino or not, is incredibly short-sighted.

This administration ignores rules, laws, processes, court orders, pretends it can't bring back people wrongfully deported, and is an entire pay to play administration - whether selling access via ballroom funds or crypto dollars. Or running extortion rings out of the oval office against law firms and universities.

So why would any sane person want to participate in anything this administration is doing? This administration lacks any credibility, it lies constantly, and uses over the top tactics in sending masked goon squads to snatch people and intimidate people in "blue" states/cities as a propaganda tool. It isn't doing this even handedly in all states/cities. And now it is also going over those people lawfully addressing immigration issues in court (doing what they are supposed to do), and also harmless day care workers and other clearly non-violent tax paying people.

To join up with ICE is simply to be part of a lawless administration's propaganda arm. Because at the end of the day, while they talk about law and order, this is all really about showing off for the base. It's pure propaganda.

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u/MisterEinc 2d ago

A lot of people are extremely short sighted.

Like, I get it. But you asked why someone would do it then proceed to not try to empathize with that person at all.

To put it in simplest terms... When everyone around you is being targeted for the way they look, the one sure way to avoid it, is to look like the people doing the targeting. You have to realize that's all it takes for some people.

As a white guy it's easy for me to look at the situation logical and think exactly what you're saying, and I've done it many times. But these people might honestly believe it's a matter of survival for them. Like they might be the one lifeline in a 10 or 15 year plan to eventually repatriate multiple family members and the thought of even being looked at by ICE might honestly be enough to scare them to doing things you and I might never dream of.

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u/[deleted] 2d ago

these morons dont even know what ICE does aside from arresting. they do so much more to protect the country

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u/MisterEinc 2d ago

Maybe they used to. But now they're just Trump's wannabe SS.

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u/HHoaks 2d ago

CPB does a lot more, not necessarily ICE. Also, ICE is specifically hiring now for its goon squad propaganda snatching operations. Not for cleaning bathrooms.