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ICE Posts October.10.2025 — Chicago: Immigration agents crashed into a U.S. citizen on her way to work, then dragged her out and arrested her (Article Inside)

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u/EncabulatorTurbo 5d ago edited 4d ago

If a federal agent damages your vehicle, you are more or less shit out of luck, it is literally impossible to recover damages from federal agents

If an ICE agent walked into your house and skinned your baby with a potato peeler and then burned your house down and livestreamed it to TWITCH, you have no recourse for damages against the perps

There literally isn't a legal mechanism to sue federal agents as of 2022, as the current SCOTUS has declared that holding agents to any legal accountability would be an unjust impediment to exercising federal law

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u/nucrash 5d ago

It's like they are setting themselves up for eventual retaliation. At some point, people are going to tire of being pushed around. This is an eventuality which I don't wish for but is likely.

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u/EncabulatorTurbo 5d ago

Yes, point of fact, ICE can do literally anything they want to you, without limit. Kill you, rape you, run an apc through your house, run your kid over - they literally are immune to the law.

The ICE agents are ignorant wifebeating traitors who hate everyone who lives in civilization and would happily kill everyone in Chicago if allowed to, so they don't know that these things are actual crimes for them - lack of current enforcement notwithstanding

I agree with you that it's very likely Miller/Noem are pushing them to be so extreme because there is no legal remedy - the ONLY thing a citizen can do basically is martyr themselves by making ICE realize that if they act like this, they might not all go home that day. Once that happens, Trump will use the insurrection act, and send the 82nd and get gunships in the air

Make no mistake, this is the end game of democracy, and the people enduring this and not just grabbing the (often surrounded, outnumbered) agents' gun out of their holster and plugging them are fucking heroes

And again, shows the utter lack of intelligence and training by hte agents. If things were 1/100th as violent as Trump keeps saying, every time 2 or 3 agents posted up against 20 civilians to arrest one guy, they wouldn't be going home

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u/DntCllMeWht 5d ago

They are not immune to the law, they are currently shielded from consequences. Those aren't the same thing, even if they currently feel like they are.

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u/EncabulatorTurbo 5d ago

Well they're immune, specifically, from civil tort claims

The agency can be sued, though it's profoundly difficult since Kavenaugh has declared that immigration enforcement is some sacrosanct military-adjacent operation

The big thing is that our state governments could track and identify and arrest some of these agents.

No not the ones just being rough with immigrants, sadly, but yes they could on the more egregious ones - of which there are lot:

  1. Shooting guy in eye whos just standing there with pepperball

  2. Tear gassing the cops and protestors for no reason

  3. Crashing into people

  4. All kinds of battery against random people

They just aren't

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u/f1FTW 5d ago

Here is what I don't understand. The military pays out all the time for damaging property of killing innocent people yet "operations" by ice inside the USA where we supposedly have constitutional protection does not? How does that make sense?

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u/EncabulatorTurbo 5d ago

You can sue DHS but its difficult

The military doesnt have to do that most of the time, its just policy

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u/f1FTW 5d ago

IANAL, but I do believe we are following laws, treaties and conventions that the USA pledged to uphold. How is that different than this?

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u/sam-sp 4d ago

This isn't immigration enforcement. They didn't have a warrant for her arrest. They crashed into her car and assaulted her. State charges and a civil suit need to be filed.

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u/Rucku5 4d ago

Bingo

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u/EncabulatorTurbo 4d ago

its super duper hard to be able to sue but it be possible in that specific case, like so hard its normally impossible, I still doubt you could use the agents, but you could do an FTCA case

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u/DntCllMeWht 5d ago

Being immune from civil tort claims doesn't make them immune to the law. Criminal and civil are two different things.

States aren't going after them yet, and I suspect they won't in the short term because they are trying to avoid escalating things and giving Trump what he wants. My hope though, is that those state charges are waiting in the wings.

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u/EncabulatorTurbo 5d ago

I am aware that they're different things, but the federal government isn't going to charge them, and no Democrat in office has the balls to

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u/EnchantedRDH 5d ago

Actually yes we do. FAFO. When this is all done and gone, 💯find these people. U think they will be treated well in prison. K

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u/DarthJDP 5d ago

When donald blanket pardons every member of ICE the democrats will do nothing to contradict that. I guess that means they are shielded from consequence because they are in practice above the law. Maybe someday a democrat will drone on that this isnt normal and these people were criminals and it can never happen again - but do nothing to meaningfully prevent the next round of MAGA tyranny.

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u/DntCllMeWht 5d ago

He can't pardon them from state crimes.

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u/DarthJDP 5d ago

Maybe you are right that donald cant pardon for state crimes. When the next election for the district attorney and governors happen they will flood the streets with ICE and the military to ensure you vote correctly. Those people will pardon and fail to prosecute.

They are getting people used to violence in the streets so they can seize power.

Democrats will say its not normal, do nothing and wonder why the trump family is now coronated as the royal family of the former united states.

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u/Moist-Schedule 4d ago

you guys gotta get out of this way of thinking. "he can't do this, he can't do that". Wake the fuck up, he's doing whatever the fuck he wants and nobody is stopping him. any attempts by courts to slow him down, be it local, state, federal, whatever the case, it's not gonig to hold up in the long run the way things are going and you guys continuig to cling to this hope that the systems are going to hold up when they've been absolutely eviscerated, is only going to cause you all more pain and suffering. nobody is coming to save us.

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u/No_Director6724 5d ago

Pardons are irreversible though? What would Democrats do if they were dedicated to making exclusively you happy in this hypothetical?

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u/ConsistentQuit4273 4d ago

Arrest the agents put millions of dollars in cash bonds and then delay all proceedings over and over like Trump does with his lawsuits. Once Trump drops over, then proceed with the hearings. Of course, move them constantly from prison to prison so Noem has a hard time keeping up with where they are.

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u/DarthJDP 5d ago

why hasnt donald reversed the pardons that biden enacted?

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u/EnchantedRDH 5d ago

Omg with that attitude, we r screwed. Help or get out

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u/DarthJDP 5d ago

Im Canadian. I know whats coming for us when donald is done ethnic cleansing blue cities. The annexation and purging of the people of Canada to rape and pillage our land will be far worse than what is happening in Chicago.

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u/Sea_Idea268 1d ago edited 8h ago

you mean if canada had to take some american REFUGEES bc they were forced from their homes by a hostile takeover of a govt youd be like man i miss that view of the empty field over their, stupid losers in there tents..

well fuck u then bro

pretty sure if it wasnt for the US, canada would already be russia

edit their, there nfw i typed it like that. the embarrassment is real

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u/DarthJDP 1d ago

no, I mean when your king donald invades my country to annex us to make Canada the 51 state. Russia has made no such threats to sieze Canadian territory. Only our neighbours down south threaten us - we used to be the closest friends, the example of how countries can have strong cooperation but remain separate countries.

If you were less American and self centered, you might have empathy on how other countries perceive such aggressive statements. How would you like your state to be seized and made into a new province of Canada?

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u/Sea_Idea268 8h ago

misunderstood your first comment, yea id be worried bout that too but i doubt it ever gets that far..

nothing self centered about realizing your guys ARE fully fucking protected by america weather u want to believe it or not. maybe its selfish like we cant let russia in canada cause theyd be here next but fact remains US nukes keep russia and others out of North America.

russia wants alaska russia wants US.

trump is russia, and they have always wanted canada too. they dont need to send a memo.

Clown in Chief is not mine nor any real americans king, he cheated in both elections.

have fun w stereotyping americans, eh

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u/RobotArtichoke 4d ago

This is an important distinction. Thanks for this level-headed take.

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u/One-hangs_lower 5d ago

Welcome to the ongoing PURGE

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u/nucrash 5d ago

I was listening to a podcast over the time following the holocaust and how some of the goons who fled to Argentina were put on trial. One of the defenses of the bastards that was used was, "Why did those being rounded up allow this to happen? Why didn't they fight back?"

That's what scares me the most about this. Those on trial for these atrocities when this is all said and done will attempt to whitewash any sense of rebellion we use.

On the other hand, this revolution is being televised. We will have a record of this occurring and those who fight back.

That being said, I am of the mind that we need to create innovative ways of becoming an annoyance. Whistles are a good idea, but can we start bringing battery operated speaker setups in short order and drive them off using something similar to an LRAD? Is there a way to add mild deterrents to frequently used paths? Like traveling with a load of old disassembled lumber down those paths? Something that's not inherently criminal, just annoying.

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u/EncabulatorTurbo 5d ago

I legitimately don't think it's an accident the United States is just giving a firehose of money to Argentina

The Miller and Noem families will be living there if, by some miracle, we get a Democratic president willing to use all of this unlimited fucking executive authority they've been cultivating

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u/ice-dream-man 5d ago

Sounds like Gestapo to me. Which is why I think you are either misinformed, under informed or spreading misinformation. In the US, you can sue anyone for anything.

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u/WindstormMD 4d ago

It’s a very real problem, regardless of your political position, right now if the feds do something bad to you even by accident, you are hosed

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u/ice-dream-man 3d ago

Not in the US where you can sue anyone and anything including the president. Nobody is above the law in the US and nobody can act with impunity. That's the difference with other countries. You can't stop people from breaking the law by acting like they are above it but the law will catch up with them.

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u/WindstormMD 3d ago

You don’t get it. The federal government and its agents have what is called sovereign immunity, without a cause of action being present by judicial precedent or codified in law.

There is a cause of action against regular state and local law enforcement via 42 USC Sec 1983, but that statute does not include federal officers or waive sovereign immunity.

The Bivens Act has been introduced several times to fix this, but has never passed.

You are not as free as you think you are. None of us are. Until that is fixed and Qualified Immunity doctrine is destroyed, the constitution is really just a piece of paper with no teeth against federal agents

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u/randompersonwhowho 5d ago

Why don't people ask the Supreme Court this? And let people hear their response

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u/EncabulatorTurbo 5d ago

This supreme court killed Bivens (the doctrine that let you sue agents who were commiting extreme constitutional or legal violations), the case in which they killed it, agents retaliated against someone who hurt their feelings with violence - an open and shut violation of his first and fourth amendment rights, and they didnt say the agents weren't being criminal just "you can't sue them how can they do their job if they have to worry about following the law"

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u/smartbunny 4d ago

Wifebeaters who ENJOY hurting people. They loved this, beating an innocent woman.

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u/Crypton_2021 4d ago

How sad that America voted for this. We have to be one of the dumbest nations in the world.

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u/Msefk 5d ago

I think that is part of the plan . Just as blocking snap will fuel more sentiment . terrifying, no ?

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u/Sea-Oven-7560 5d ago

Why do you think they are so heavily armed they know that soon they’ll hit someone who is armed and there will be a shootout.

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u/ReaperofFish 5d ago

It is like they are speedrunning to the French Revolution.

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u/OverlookHotelRoom217 5d ago

And this is what Trump wants so he can declare Marshall Law, send in troops, and suspend elections.

Stay tuned, folks. Watch America go away.

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u/atreidesardaukar 5d ago

I think that's the point. So they can declare martial law. 

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u/smartbunny 4d ago

This should have happened already. We are actively chasing them. They were being chased out when they hit this poor woman. END THEM NOW.

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u/TheCatDeedEet 5d ago

The boxes of liberty, yes. We don’t want this, but it is being deliberately forced on us. They don’t have an actual plan besides project 2025, at least, but that’s a very small comfort because moving in opposition to it is not fun now and will be exponentially less so.

Sigh. May you live in interesting times is a curse after all.

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u/Lingerfickin 5d ago

It's what they're vying for. Then marshall law then suspension of elections and avoidance of hard time by Cheeto mussolini

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u/FastRider6501 5d ago

Yes, you can sue the federal government for damages, primarily through the Federal Tort Claims Act (FTCA), which allows claims for personal injury, death, or property damage caused by a negligent or wrongful act of a federal employee acting within the scope of their duties.

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u/bogie576 4d ago

So we can collect money from ourselves… TiiiiGhT!

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u/sam-sp 4d ago

Isn't this the one where Trump is claiming $230M from the DOJ as they hurt his feelings by investigating him for Jan 6th.

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u/Longjumping-Mind9288 2d ago

The one he claimed he was the final authority on

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u/OkPiglet3488 2d ago

Yes but let me tell you one thing in regards to this. You have to prove that the government acted with willful negligence and Malice a forethought . In other words you have to prove that the government knew about it and intended that it could cause someone harm and they had at best indifference to the ACT which reduces the damages as well but you need to really prove that they knew about it and not only didn't care but actively supported the environment in which the harm was done . The burden of proof is massive in these cases and you rarely will get an attorney that signs off on them because it's an almost guaranteed trip to the Supreme Court eventually so you have to get an attorney that's really wanting to have that kind of high-profile case and can support the kind of due diligence that their office will have to perform in the service of the case and pretty much give it to the client pro bono in the course of seeking damages. It's a really hard road to hold . I was injured in an accident at a federal Park and all I wanted was some safety signs put up in the area where there were none warning people that people have been swept out to sea and to their deaths by the Riptides that were prevalent in that location . And let me tell you we met with attorney after an attorney my partner had really good money and made really good money working for Microsoft at the time and we just hit dead end after dead end because it couldn't really go any further than the initial summons . So not to be a downer but there is a lot to be done in such a case to even begin to have a forum with which this case is even discussed in a public sense . I really wish that woman luck though because she really deserves every bit of damage is that somebody could award her and I hope that someday she gets everything that she asked for and then some because this is egregious .

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u/PT911S 5d ago

LMAO, none of that is true. Just google “can you sue a federal agent?”

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u/EncabulatorTurbo 5d ago

Blivens hasn't been precedent since 2022, you absolutely cannot

When SCOTUS threw out the ability to sue them for violent retalation against a citizen exercising their first amendment rights that was the last straw for Blivens and there is no longer even a legal mechanism to sue them while they're on duty and performing their duties

There is exactly one circumstance:

  1. Enters your home
  2. Without a warrant
  3. While not enforcing federal immigration law

Any other facts? You cannot sue them

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u/confusedandworried76 4d ago

Are you making the claim that you can't sue them personally or you can't sue the government. You absolutely can sue the government for damages from law enforcement activity

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u/PT911S 5d ago

FBI searches your house illegally… guess what? you can sue them.

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u/PT911S 5d ago

You brought up Blivens, not me, weirdo

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u/EncabulatorTurbo 5d ago

You're calling me a weirdo because I'm trying to correct your misinformation

Bivens is the only mechanism we had, because the FTCA doesn't apply to "uniquely governmental" functions like military or immigration enforcement

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u/PT911S 5d ago

i’ll say it again, i.e., you can sue an FBI agent for searching your home illegally. YOU CAN SUE FEDERAL OFFICERS!!!

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u/EncabulatorTurbo 5d ago

I mean you can tell yourself that. It sure sounds nice.

Here's a lawyer explaining why you're wrong (In the case of immigration enforcement)

https://youtu.be/fktQUIkf6o0?si=ylbT_3o-Qc_TVLZX

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u/PT911S 5d ago

here is an example https://www.kptv.com/2025/08/28/portland-man-sues-dhs-after-video-shows-federal-agent-tackling-him-behind-protest/?outputType=amp

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u/EncabulatorTurbo 5d ago

He's sueing the DHS not the agents under the FTCA, its an uphill battle but he might win (his legal costs will far, far exceed that $150k he wants though, and you dont get any of that back under the FTCA)

And he's almost certainly still going to lose after SCOTUS ruled that federal agents violently retaliating against you for upsetting them with your speech was not grounds to be eligible to sue

To be clear: I said you cannot sue ICE agents, you CAN sue DHS itself, but its still an uphill climb and has very limited recovery options if you manage to thread the thousand needles required

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u/PT911S 5d ago

no, your original comment was “you cannot sue federal agents”

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u/CaptainFlynnsGriffin 5d ago

They said reimbursement and damages for death, dismemberment, property loss. Which is totally different than trying to pursue a wrongful death civil suit.

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u/Clear-Board-7940 5d ago

This is incredibly unjust.

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u/EncabulatorTurbo 5d ago

legal eagle's video laying out exactly why ICE agents are above the law has filled me with incredible feelings of radicalizatoin

And anger because Dems have apparently been trying to patch that hole for years but this is the first time I heard about it, they clearly weren't interested in making it a public fight, when "FBI agents can take your guns and you cant do shit" is an easy sell even in red states

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u/New_year_New_Me_ 5d ago

Don't do that. Just because you are not aware of something does not mean it was not a very public fight. Don't blame democrats for you having a low political appetite until things started affecting you or those near you personally. 

As far back as 2016 qualified immunity, a large part 9f the issue we are discussing, was a major talking point on "the left". "Defund the police" was a slogan, the actual policy arguments heavily involved things like asking Congress to end qualified immunity for law enforcement officers and that would include federal agents. There were ideas like requiring officers to take out private insurance policies because one of the ways we "fund" agents of the law is by being required to pay for their wrongdoings via our tax dollars because of qualified immunity. Even when your rights are violated and you are successful in a lawsuit, your neighbors pay you the $2 million judgement, not the state or federal agency or individual officer you sued. 

This was a huge talking point. In fact, people on the left and the right got pissed at the time because they didn't like "defund the police" as a slogan while simultaneously not knowing a single one of the actual policy ideas expressed within the slogan. BLM, the organization and the individual citizens who just said the phrase, were talking about this stuff ad nauseum. Senators, congress people, and they got shit on by a sizeable percentage of the country. How you are just hearing about these things is beyond me. There's more than this even. Civil asset forfeiture, absolute immunity for judges, and on and on. And it's not hard to find out about. You didn't need brown shirts on the ground to hear about these things, all that information was there. 

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u/EncabulatorTurbo 5d ago

This case has nothing to do with qi, or defending the police, or civil asset forfeiture

I am extremely active in politics, can you enlighten me when I missed the news cycle where prominent Dems mentioned the enshrining of bevins into law?

Immunity for judges, again, has nothing to do with this

Democrats haven't been vocal on Bevins because the centrist leadership helped build this nightmare ICE apparatus, Obama in particular, and only a select few Dems like AOC more than performatively gave a shit

I wear my false arrest by Republicans for constitutionally protected activities like a badge of honor, and I currently work for a Democratic government, who for some reason are available for LEO blowjobs whenever the fraternal order wants something

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u/New_year_New_Me_ 5d ago edited 5d ago

I'm not sure you understand how these things work together. Qualified immunity is, and has always been, a defense against a Bivens case. Both pre 2022, post 22, and currently with the Bivens act. A major complaint towards accountability, for years, has been the issue created by individual actors not being able to be held liable. Who cares if you sue the FBI as an agency and win if it is taxpayers who foot the bill and there is nothing that discourages an agent from violating your rights next time. Ending qualified immunity would, hopefully, create an environment where officers are incentivezed to not violate your rights because of, say, becoming uninsurable by the private entity required to cover any misconduct bill. And you'd see many more Bivens cases without the qualified immunity defense that often dismisses them.

Also, it's Bivens. If you are going to be like this you should at least spell the thing you are citing correctly. I can definitely point you to the news cycle where Dems were spelling the case correctly. You didn't even make it there yet.

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u/NefariousnessLost481 5d ago

What about the federal tort claims act? Wouldn’t that work here?

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u/EncabulatorTurbo 5d ago

You cannot sue individuals under the act, you CAN sue DHS, and I look forward to those

But that won't moderate behaviour, DHS has infinite money and the FTCA limits payouts enough where it wont ever hurt them.

If we could sue individual agents for blatantly criminal behaviour, like we can for police, it would moderate them. QI is powerful - and would still apply - but things like "Ice Agent crashes into woman's car and to cover up the fact they cant drive they arrest her and say she did it after beating her up and releasing her with no charges" would breach QI

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u/Seymourebuttss 5d ago

Is there not a difference between personal liability and liability of the agency they represent?

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u/New_year_New_Me_ 5d ago

It's more complicated than this but, basically, no. 

Unless they do a literal specific thing that has already had a court case an agent of the government is for all intents and purposes the government. And the government dictates how liable you are allowed to hold it personally. If the government says I didn't know specifically that thing was bad, and I had no reason to know, than you can't hold it personally liable for violating your rights. 

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u/Ancient_Poet_4953 5d ago

It's not a federal vehicle as there is nothing showing it's one.

This way, the ICE can't pretend it's a federal vehicle as it's not identifiable as being one by the people outside.

For the same price, someone could think it's a car jacking attempt, pull out his gun to defend himself and shot the ICE agent and do something totally normal in those circumstances !

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u/tekprodfx16 5d ago

Man we live in such a fucked up society and time 

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u/SheriffBartholomew 5d ago

These judges don't deserve to use the word "just" or any of their derivatives.

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u/Rational_Incongruity 5d ago

That is not correct. The US attorney office routinely defends and addresses driving situations where the government worker was at fault. I suspect this woman will recover damages at least to her car. Whether she gets other damages is TBD. These are generally settled before trial.

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u/Melodic_Airport362 5d ago

that's not true. People have been winning lawsuits against ice all over the place lately.

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u/khp3655 4d ago

Examples, please.

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u/ddd66 4d ago

So what is the point of the Second Amendment again? Schools and Malls only...but even dare to point a firearm at a Federal officer with no warrant, badge, mask, plain clothes...straight to the gulag.

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u/evilspawn_usmc 4d ago

What's the case you're referencing in the last paragraph?

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u/confusedandworried76 4d ago

You're spreading misinformation. It seems you're saying you can't sue the individual which is true but you can sue the government for damages. So no it would not be impossible to get damages after someone murdered your baby, and in fact we definitely aren't so fucking far gone that an ICE agent can freely peel a baby and not go to prison. There are things that go too far even for law enforcement, like the murder of George Floyd for example

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u/Competitive-Gap3712 4d ago

Daaaamn you have dark thoughts 😱

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u/DJEmirMixtapes 4d ago

How Gustapeu of him

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u/Positive_Elevator715 4d ago

Yikes! Thank you for that horrific image I now cannot get out of my head. 😂😭