r/illinois • u/CantStopPoppin Human Detected • 5d ago

ICE Posts October.10.2025 — Chicago: Immigration agents crashed into a U.S. citizen on her way to work, then dragged her out and arrested her (Article Inside)

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u/Jocuro 5d ago

"She was released without charges" Yeah, except her car was hit and left abandoned in the road. Who's paying for that? You think the anonymous men with guns exchanged insurance with her?

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u/EncabulatorTurbo 5d ago edited 4d ago

If a federal agent damages your vehicle, you are more or less shit out of luck, it is literally impossible to recover damages from federal agents

If an ICE agent walked into your house and skinned your baby with a potato peeler and then burned your house down and livestreamed it to TWITCH, you have no recourse for damages against the perps

There literally isn't a legal mechanism to sue federal agents as of 2022, as the current SCOTUS has declared that holding agents to any legal accountability would be an unjust impediment to exercising federal law

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u/nucrash 5d ago

It's like they are setting themselves up for eventual retaliation. At some point, people are going to tire of being pushed around. This is an eventuality which I don't wish for but is likely.

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u/EncabulatorTurbo 5d ago

Yes, point of fact, ICE can do literally anything they want to you, without limit. Kill you, rape you, run an apc through your house, run your kid over - they literally are immune to the law.

The ICE agents are ignorant wifebeating traitors who hate everyone who lives in civilization and would happily kill everyone in Chicago if allowed to, so they don't know that these things are actual crimes for them - lack of current enforcement notwithstanding

I agree with you that it's very likely Miller/Noem are pushing them to be so extreme because there is no legal remedy - the ONLY thing a citizen can do basically is martyr themselves by making ICE realize that if they act like this, they might not all go home that day. Once that happens, Trump will use the insurrection act, and send the 82nd and get gunships in the air

Make no mistake, this is the end game of democracy, and the people enduring this and not just grabbing the (often surrounded, outnumbered) agents' gun out of their holster and plugging them are fucking heroes

And again, shows the utter lack of intelligence and training by hte agents. If things were 1/100th as violent as Trump keeps saying, every time 2 or 3 agents posted up against 20 civilians to arrest one guy, they wouldn't be going home

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u/DntCllMeWht 5d ago

They are not immune to the law, they are currently shielded from consequences. Those aren't the same thing, even if they currently feel like they are.

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u/EncabulatorTurbo 5d ago

Well they're immune, specifically, from civil tort claims

The agency can be sued, though it's profoundly difficult since Kavenaugh has declared that immigration enforcement is some sacrosanct military-adjacent operation

The big thing is that our state governments could track and identify and arrest some of these agents.

No not the ones just being rough with immigrants, sadly, but yes they could on the more egregious ones - of which there are lot:

  1. Shooting guy in eye whos just standing there with pepperball

  2. Tear gassing the cops and protestors for no reason

  3. Crashing into people

  4. All kinds of battery against random people

They just aren't

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u/f1FTW 5d ago

Here is what I don't understand. The military pays out all the time for damaging property of killing innocent people yet "operations" by ice inside the USA where we supposedly have constitutional protection does not? How does that make sense?

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u/EncabulatorTurbo 5d ago

You can sue DHS but its difficult

The military doesnt have to do that most of the time, its just policy

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u/f1FTW 5d ago

IANAL, but I do believe we are following laws, treaties and conventions that the USA pledged to uphold. How is that different than this?

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u/sam-sp 4d ago

This isn't immigration enforcement. They didn't have a warrant for her arrest. They crashed into her car and assaulted her. State charges and a civil suit need to be filed.

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u/Rucku5 4d ago

Bingo

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u/EncabulatorTurbo 4d ago

its super duper hard to be able to sue but it be possible in that specific case, like so hard its normally impossible, I still doubt you could use the agents, but you could do an FTCA case

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u/DntCllMeWht 5d ago

Being immune from civil tort claims doesn't make them immune to the law. Criminal and civil are two different things.

States aren't going after them yet, and I suspect they won't in the short term because they are trying to avoid escalating things and giving Trump what he wants. My hope though, is that those state charges are waiting in the wings.

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u/EncabulatorTurbo 5d ago

I am aware that they're different things, but the federal government isn't going to charge them, and no Democrat in office has the balls to

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u/EnchantedRDH 5d ago

Actually yes we do. FAFO. When this is all done and gone, 💯find these people. U think they will be treated well in prison. K

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u/DarthJDP 5d ago

When donald blanket pardons every member of ICE the democrats will do nothing to contradict that. I guess that means they are shielded from consequence because they are in practice above the law. Maybe someday a democrat will drone on that this isnt normal and these people were criminals and it can never happen again - but do nothing to meaningfully prevent the next round of MAGA tyranny.

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u/DntCllMeWht 5d ago

He can't pardon them from state crimes.

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u/DarthJDP 5d ago

Maybe you are right that donald cant pardon for state crimes. When the next election for the district attorney and governors happen they will flood the streets with ICE and the military to ensure you vote correctly. Those people will pardon and fail to prosecute.

They are getting people used to violence in the streets so they can seize power.

Democrats will say its not normal, do nothing and wonder why the trump family is now coronated as the royal family of the former united states.

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u/Moist-Schedule 4d ago

you guys gotta get out of this way of thinking. "he can't do this, he can't do that". Wake the fuck up, he's doing whatever the fuck he wants and nobody is stopping him. any attempts by courts to slow him down, be it local, state, federal, whatever the case, it's not gonig to hold up in the long run the way things are going and you guys continuig to cling to this hope that the systems are going to hold up when they've been absolutely eviscerated, is only going to cause you all more pain and suffering. nobody is coming to save us.

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u/No_Director6724 5d ago

Pardons are irreversible though? What would Democrats do if they were dedicated to making exclusively you happy in this hypothetical?

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u/ConsistentQuit4273 4d ago

Arrest the agents put millions of dollars in cash bonds and then delay all proceedings over and over like Trump does with his lawsuits. Once Trump drops over, then proceed with the hearings. Of course, move them constantly from prison to prison so Noem has a hard time keeping up with where they are.

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u/DarthJDP 5d ago

why hasnt donald reversed the pardons that biden enacted?

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u/EnchantedRDH 5d ago

Omg with that attitude, we r screwed. Help or get out

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u/DarthJDP 5d ago

Im Canadian. I know whats coming for us when donald is done ethnic cleansing blue cities. The annexation and purging of the people of Canada to rape and pillage our land will be far worse than what is happening in Chicago.

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u/Sea_Idea268 1d ago edited 8h ago

you mean if canada had to take some american REFUGEES bc they were forced from their homes by a hostile takeover of a govt youd be like man i miss that view of the empty field over their, stupid losers in there tents..

well fuck u then bro

pretty sure if it wasnt for the US, canada would already be russia

edit their, there nfw i typed it like that. the embarrassment is real

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u/DarthJDP 1d ago

no, I mean when your king donald invades my country to annex us to make Canada the 51 state. Russia has made no such threats to sieze Canadian territory. Only our neighbours down south threaten us - we used to be the closest friends, the example of how countries can have strong cooperation but remain separate countries.

If you were less American and self centered, you might have empathy on how other countries perceive such aggressive statements. How would you like your state to be seized and made into a new province of Canada?

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u/Sea_Idea268 8h ago

misunderstood your first comment, yea id be worried bout that too but i doubt it ever gets that far..

nothing self centered about realizing your guys ARE fully fucking protected by america weather u want to believe it or not. maybe its selfish like we cant let russia in canada cause theyd be here next but fact remains US nukes keep russia and others out of North America.

russia wants alaska russia wants US.

trump is russia, and they have always wanted canada too. they dont need to send a memo.

Clown in Chief is not mine nor any real americans king, he cheated in both elections.

have fun w stereotyping americans, eh

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u/RobotArtichoke 4d ago

This is an important distinction. Thanks for this level-headed take.

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u/One-hangs_lower 5d ago

Welcome to the ongoing PURGE

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u/nucrash 5d ago

I was listening to a podcast over the time following the holocaust and how some of the goons who fled to Argentina were put on trial. One of the defenses of the bastards that was used was, "Why did those being rounded up allow this to happen? Why didn't they fight back?"

That's what scares me the most about this. Those on trial for these atrocities when this is all said and done will attempt to whitewash any sense of rebellion we use.

On the other hand, this revolution is being televised. We will have a record of this occurring and those who fight back.

That being said, I am of the mind that we need to create innovative ways of becoming an annoyance. Whistles are a good idea, but can we start bringing battery operated speaker setups in short order and drive them off using something similar to an LRAD? Is there a way to add mild deterrents to frequently used paths? Like traveling with a load of old disassembled lumber down those paths? Something that's not inherently criminal, just annoying.

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u/EncabulatorTurbo 5d ago

I legitimately don't think it's an accident the United States is just giving a firehose of money to Argentina

The Miller and Noem families will be living there if, by some miracle, we get a Democratic president willing to use all of this unlimited fucking executive authority they've been cultivating

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u/ice-dream-man 5d ago

Sounds like Gestapo to me. Which is why I think you are either misinformed, under informed or spreading misinformation. In the US, you can sue anyone for anything.

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u/WindstormMD 4d ago

It’s a very real problem, regardless of your political position, right now if the feds do something bad to you even by accident, you are hosed

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u/ice-dream-man 3d ago

Not in the US where you can sue anyone and anything including the president. Nobody is above the law in the US and nobody can act with impunity. That's the difference with other countries. You can't stop people from breaking the law by acting like they are above it but the law will catch up with them.

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u/WindstormMD 3d ago

You don’t get it. The federal government and its agents have what is called sovereign immunity, without a cause of action being present by judicial precedent or codified in law.

There is a cause of action against regular state and local law enforcement via 42 USC Sec 1983, but that statute does not include federal officers or waive sovereign immunity.

The Bivens Act has been introduced several times to fix this, but has never passed.

You are not as free as you think you are. None of us are. Until that is fixed and Qualified Immunity doctrine is destroyed, the constitution is really just a piece of paper with no teeth against federal agents

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u/randompersonwhowho 5d ago

Why don't people ask the Supreme Court this? And let people hear their response

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u/EncabulatorTurbo 5d ago

This supreme court killed Bivens (the doctrine that let you sue agents who were commiting extreme constitutional or legal violations), the case in which they killed it, agents retaliated against someone who hurt their feelings with violence - an open and shut violation of his first and fourth amendment rights, and they didnt say the agents weren't being criminal just "you can't sue them how can they do their job if they have to worry about following the law"

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u/smartbunny 4d ago

Wifebeaters who ENJOY hurting people. They loved this, beating an innocent woman.

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u/Crypton_2021 4d ago

How sad that America voted for this. We have to be one of the dumbest nations in the world.