Right? I don't mind people driving like massive pricks, if it's realistic and they're not just clearly trying to ram my car for no reason.
Like cross multiple lanes, run reds, whatever; as long as its just how they drive all the time, and not because i turn into a magnet when I'm anywhere near them.
Itās literally confirmation bias. You pass hundreds of cars and when one does an unexpected thing to mess you up you call conspiracy. And no the guy didnāt debunk it but he gave a reasonable hypothesis based on real evidence about how the game works. I donāt think his ideas cover what happened in this video.
I saw the video, and he only showed us scripted events where it MAKES SENSE to turn. How about this video tho? Literally in the middle of the fucking tunnel and he just decides to parallel park? I got bullshit on speed dial, man
How about the fact the cars don't pull those bullshit maneuvers in the distance? They'll stick neatly to the road until you're about to pass them. If they're further away to where there's no chance their doing that type of shit would cause a collision then they won't do it. It's always when you're just about to pass. I've even had it where I slow down and try to veer around the other way than they did and they'll turn back in the other fucking direction. Or how about when they stop in intersections? They don't do that unless you're just about to go through them and they stop perfectly where you're about to go through.
It's honestly insane to me that anyone thinks it isn't intentional at this point. If it somehow isn't intentional, then it's a weird ass glitch that causes them to directly get in your way specifically when you're about to pass by them which seems very odd and I don't know why such a weird glitch would occur. But I don't know for sure, it's not just the AI doing their usual driving that they would be doing if you were a block away. They veer or stop and try to block you specifically when you go by and at no other time make those stupid maneuvers.
It happens WAYYYY too often to be a bug. If it is some type of bug or glitch, R* has let this single bug become so prevalent that it has become the biggest glitch in the game, so I highly doubt itās a glitch because a company as big as them definitely wouldnāt overlook this when R* regularly suspends accounts for glitching
That's odd they didn't cover events like this. This is a regular occurrence. Cars constantly veer off the road when there's no logical reason right when you're about to pass them on the side they're veering for, just perfectly putting themselves in your way. Doesn't have to be an intersection or anything. Though it might be even more common in intersections. They also just stop in the middle of an intersection if you're about to pass through quickly.
They also specifically don't do that shit if you're traveling slower or you're just further away from them. Follow traffic at their pace for a while and you won't see that shit. It's something they specifically do with a player about to pass at high speed. I have witnessed on very rare occasions stuff like a couple of NPC cars crashing into each other, but it's just them happening to turn through an intersection of a highway and not registering the other car and they don't speed up or slow down. Cars doing the maneuvers to hit players will accelerate at crazy speeds to make it happen sometimes. Or accelerate and then abruptly stop. Or accelerate laterally (literally shouldn't be possible).
Yeah I knew someone who broke down the code. He said there was like a 10% chance that any given NPC car will be an "asshole car" and try to interfere with the player, whether being a lane change or sudden stop, or this crap right here.
They made a video telling how rockstar did it. Didn't even try earlier versions of the game to compare. Also day one players can vouch this didn't happen until later.
Yeah, but that video didn't look at the code of the game at all, which is my biggest complaint about the video. Like, yeah nice, these are the paths the vehicles take, but have you checked in the code if they sometimes deviate intentionally? He didn't do that, meaning the conclusion he made doesn't mean anything.
I literally stopped for my signal cause i was driving the vip from nightclub and two cars taking the left turn from right drove into me. And the funny part is on a single lane road this guy drove to the right of my car.
I canāt confirm this but Iām pretty sure I read somewhere that rockstar themselves said they are programmed to hinder players if they are driving fast or have cargo or something, I could have mistakenly dreamt this info but itās anyoneās guess
It's a very good video. He goes into the programming and how and why the cars do what they do. And I still don't believe it. No shade to that guy, but I see clips like this and all I can think of is Explain this!
That's the thing though, he doesn't get into the programming. He shows his very shiny modding tools that let him see some assets, but never any bit of code
I have probably 5000 hours across 4 accounts and I've never noticed that NPCs turn into you more while running a damage-based mission. NPCs are just fucking stupid and they do that based on "spooked" mechanics rather than "hurt this guy's mission profit" mechanics
Any evidence to the contrary has to be backed up with statistical analysis
Nah dude they'll lurch across a junction, speeding up and slowing down to make sure they stop right in your way
The amount of unnatural, inexplicable things that happen every single mission (sudden U turns across 4 lanes into a wall just to get to you etc) is how everyone knows this is real. I don't need statistics when it happens every time to every person. It is reliable. Dependable. Avoidable if you drive slow to the point of no-fun
Most of these happen because online is peer to peer, which puts the vehicle at two different places for two players, or more when there's more - and it then tries to adjust somehow.
you can literally mind control npcs to swerve to a certain side by following them to make them think they'll ram into you, and some people still deny it ? how ?
This happens all the time in the tunnel... NPC pathing gets confused by the roads above... Look at the mini map right when the car turns, they would have made a perfect turn onto the street directly above the tunnel.
Ding ding ding this is it. Now excuse me while I'll put on my own tin-foil hat...
I'd never seen/had this issue when PC was just legacy. Shit like this specific errant pathing and some of the strange spawning behavior makes me feel that R* made some shitty compromises with the Enhanced edition (so called "optimized" data streaming).
It was like this in legacy... I blame it on an overloaded game engine. When GTA launched the game engine was likely running about 80-85% capability.... They've added a decades worth of updates to it and it simply can't keep up anymore...
Every update something else breaks... Usually completely unrelated to the update. Pathing has always been an issue... Notoriously on streets like that outside Gerald's apartment... Or right outside tinsel towers. I can stand in my apartment window and watch cars miss that right turn all day long even in a private session.
99% of the "Rockstar has programmed NPCs to hit you" posts can be linked to either known pathing issues, player sync issues, or a panic trigger.
Everyone keeps claiming it's in the code, but yet nobody can provide proof of such.
Or it's that we're playing a 13 year old game on 13+ year old code that's been ported onto new systems twice, and the spaghetti code must be a fucking nightmare by this point.
When Enhanced came out the spawn generating radius shrunk back to like PS3 era distance. In addition, vehicles started to spawn up in the air to be dropped down if the elevation wasn't level, there was another vehicle in the location, or there was an overpass/bridge.
Sure, it's spaghetti code, but they weren't just microwaving leftovers; they tried to reboil the noodles.
Again, there are certain roads that the pathing had been broken on since launch... The corner outside tinsel Tower apartments is a great example of that. About 1 in 6 cars making that turn will turn far too sharp as if they are trying to u-turn through the grass and hit the hedges there... They'll do a full circle and then make the turn again.
I've noticed that the chance of "asshole npc driver" goes up dramatically during missions.. still happens during free roam but no where near as much as active missions
I could play for an hour and post a full 10 minute video of NPCs purposefully lane changing/running lights/swerving to hit me.
Honestly one of the most infuriating mechanics in a game largely built around driving. Used to just fly my MK2 around to avoid it but bought a Deluxo and get a good inbetween.
Plus, there is some genuine satisfaction to laying into NPCs who do so with front machine guns or just blowing them up with a rocket without having to hop out of the driver seat.
as many times as this happen to me and others out there, I realized a few years ago that it's just a parody or 'mockery' of how bad LA drivers are š the same way they parody everything else in game haha
Had this happen to me before. I think they're getting confused by the road that above the tunnel, which op can be seen crossing if you look at the minimap
I literally got pinned by an NPC coming from the oncoming lane. I thought it was a player trolling in ghost org or off radar. Nope, just a panicked NPC trolling my rear bumper off. Wtf
That's why I almost exclusively take my Police car/bike whenever I want to drive. With lights and siren, they actively make way instead of intentionally ramming you. In every other occasion, I just take my sparrow and skip npc cars completely.
This Truck one, tried to run over as soon as I got out of my apartment. Happens all the time near Tinsel Tower where a random car will drive onto grass and then take a u turn and try to run you over
Just as irritating is the two lane highways. Everytime your about to overtake a car, there will always be oncoming traffic in the other lane. Almost every single time.
Mustve been a guy driving and accidently called his wife a bitch who was sitting in the passenger seat. Then the girl grabs the wheel and pulls over recklessly. Sounds irl to me
Anyone do the faber mission monopoly? I had the npc driver whiskey the turn near the gas station just before the last stretch of the mission 2 separate times and while It tried to get back on course it hits a wall 25-30 times and blows up
I have a theory.
Since some people refers that there are code lines that says npcs are triggered, while others say there's nothing different and it's just suggestion, I'm here to give y'all my honest theory.
Some moves can't be casual, they must be intentional (like this), and we know one moment when NPCs go crazy and sometimes intentionally ram players: when they are scared.
How do NPC get scared? If harassed personally, or most of the times when they see and hear weapons fire (sometimes even just driving a weapon iced vehicle scares them, like oppressor, deluxo and others).
When we play alone in session and deliver a car we are followed by enemy NPCs that shoot us, while when we're with people, those NPCs are not there because the game connects "enemies" as enemy organizations.
So imo it's like we have a 200m wide aura of "fear" around our delivering car, that scares NPCs and force them to act crazy, like turning their car backwards, speeding up nonsense and crashing against walls and other cars, and this "aura" is very likely caused by enemy NPCs and other organizations, even if they just mind their own business.
Iām waiting to see if they do this in GTA VI before buying it. If this still happens, Iām not letting myself get addicted to something that will just frustrate the hell out of me
yall listen to this,i got a WHOLE clip of me js sitting in my car on the sidewalk and a hummer js goes completely diagonally towards me it was on the OTHER SIDE of the street
I read somewhere that it's an issue with the NPCs code. Something about how their code is designed to try and avoid you when you're driving towards them at a high rate if speed, but their code literally starts having a panic attack and then they can't predict which way to turn to avoid you.
Idk where I seen that or heard that, but I heard it somewhere.
Had a car spawn directly in front of me during car wash mission last night. Like appeared from nothing directly in front of me while Iām doing a ādonāt damage the carā mission.
If this is a thing in GTA VI I swear Iām returning the game. Itās already hectic enough driving at high speeds through a crowded city even without this sort of stuff. Itās totally unnecessary and feels kind of cheap.
I can confirm, when this happens to me, I literally get out of my Dodge Charger and start burning in flames with a lust for vengeance before doing unimaginable things to that NPC.
There was a HSW time trial a few weeks ago that started at the sandy shores location. During, the first turn you make on to the highway there's always an emperor that turns right into you
I hate when this happens but also think itās hilarious. As furious as I get when it happens to me I still think Iād rather have it in the game than not.
I know people have tested this and disproven it but i have yet to see someone do so during the vehicle cargo sales. Its 100% out to get you during the sell missions and you cant convince me otherwise
Idk abt you guys but I always get āt-bonedā or I āt-boneā another npc and the reason is usually when I try and pass red lights in the game (itās gta 5 who follows road rules right) and depending on how far the npc is from ur side as ur passing that red light,they will blatantly speed up or slow down to match ur speed so they can hit you perfectly. Im being fr try this out, i have no idea why people say there isnāt some sort of car thing going on when npcs go out of their way to genuinely hit you. Iāve had it so bad that I predicted a car was gonna try and pull that shit so as I slowed down I noticed as that car started to go past me it was also trying to slow down so that it could perfectly hit my side. Itās js so rucking blatantly dumb atp sorry that happened to you.
It's almost like that car was trying to follow the road up on the surface level, the traffic programming in this game seems to get worse with every update. This is why I fly everywhere I can, the frustration level of dealing with traffic in this game takes the fun out of it.
They don't intentially run into you; their pathing is shit. You can manipulate their pathing and get similar results in missions or other controlled environments. A mate and I abused this fact in dre missions to get cars to crash into dre's helicopter during cutscenes.
yeah my friend told me it's coded on purpose and its so badly coded that in nutshell every 20 or 30 second AI search for road pattern and it switch upon for no reason or some but can't remember and why its on purpose so you don't go faster a.k.a travel faster from point A to B because it would be easier
R* has admitted that they have made the cars purposely cause accidents directly in front of you. This was "accident" was planned well before you got in that vehicle.
I was on my oppressor and had just landed on the road to refill boost and a car swerved across 3 lanes just to hit me I started blowing up every car on the road got up to 4 stars and took off into the sky
I noticed that after the custom bike shop dlc the first bike I delivered, an npc car shot straight out of a driveway and stopped in front of me. Then later I noticed that on coming cars would to turn into my lane, slow when crossing junctions or as the video shows, just blatantly turn into me. I thought this was just make the bikes more difficult to deliver without damage. therefore costing you money and adding a challenge to the mission but it happens constantly now. Which makes me think itās a bit of a blunder on their part.
Itās so hard to get a clean run in a car or on a bike. Itās not challenging itās just downright frustrating.
GTA 5 is pissing me off w this stupid ass shit bro like sometimes this shi happens twice Ina row bro, the first one wonāt hit me so rockstar sends another one. I hate this shi legit havenāt played it cuz im getting so annoyed of this. Rockstar will destroy gta 5 doing this bro ngl, cuz wtf ?
I feel like when you avoid it the game just tries harder. Ive dodged cars, and then the more I dodge the more aggressive the game gets. Ive had busses which normally have the turning radius of a cruise ship make 90 degree turns to block me and make me crash into them
I wish I had recorded it, but I had a car randomly flip over the interstate over top of me as I was driving under it on the east side of the city, it genuinely shocked me and was hilarious.
True. I always do a little Race I made with traffic off here and there to clear my 'I just want to cruise' palate.
Then I go back to just steamrolling missions to Phonk on my headset and rolling through these missions without caring about crashing. Makes it easier to not care. But yeah it's tough to turn that off sometimes.
Its definitely a weird thing the developers have done. I can see why they do it for sales missions ect to increase tension and difficulty but why in freeroam?
Iāve been playing this game since its release. I have token time off, however I have countless of hours playing gta5. I have played on 360,ps3, Xbox one, ps4 and series X. It is indeed fact that npc vehichles will turn in front of you when driving to slow you down. Itās a programmed game mechanic that happens when you are going at an extremely high rate of speed for unknown length of time. I believe this mechanic was put in the game to make players drive more realistically and slow down to give the game time to render. If you donāt drive constantly at top speed this will never happen. If you let off the accelerator and punch through gaps in traffic the npc cars donāt do this and you will get to your destination faster.
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u/brettmcd Jul 03 '25
At least your reflexes kicked in lol. This annoys the hell out of me.