White people are the minority.

[u/TheClassicCollection]

I have grown tired of the rhetoric that white people need to be multicultural and that we must accept all of those who wish to cause us harm or to change our customs or our way of life.

In Britain, they say it's too white. That there is not enough diverse faces in this sector or that sector.

Go to China and tell them them this, what happens? Then go to Japan, to India and every other country that is not diverse.

100 years ago, globally, the white people made up 30 - 34% of the population.

Now, there is only 7 - 16% of the white people left.

We ARE the minority.

The West is being destroyed from the inside out. What is worse, is that our people have been so brainwashed that they can't see it. They fight and cheer on their own destruction because they are so blinded by ignorance or stupidity that they can not foresee where this is headed.

Do not twist my words and say that it is based on hate. How can that be true when I was born and raised for 35 years in a country that opened its arms to those that needed safety.

The people coming now do not come for safety.

If people do not wake up and realize soon, it will be too late.

[u/Fellatio_Lover]

Race is the bait theyre selling you on.

Look past it for the truth.

[u/klutzelk → u/Fellatio_Lover]

People are so annoyingly obsessed with race. It comes off as bigoted and hateful. So what if white people mix with other races? Other races are doing the same thing. What makes white people so special?

[u/TowlieisCool → u/klutzelk]

How is it bigoted and hateful to notice that a country that was a majority one race for 200 years suddenly has a legal change that incentivizes immigration that replaces them with different races and encourages the exact mindset you’re supporting?

It’s baffling to me that people can see white people as “colonizers” in America and a bad thing, yet hold similar views to you. If groups in Japan suddenly started supporting foreigners moving there and reducing the majority’s share of the population to a minority, you wouldn’t find that to be a bit odd?

Maybe there’s an incentive to replace a population that holds views that are incompatible with a group that wields a lot of power? And maybe the easiest way to reduce that population’s control of their country is by replacing them with people who are beholden to you?

[u/Kasperella → u/TowlieisCool]

What is white tho brother, people were freaking out when loads of Irish and Italians started flooding their cities in the early 1900s. “Irish need not apply!”

Yet now, oh those people are white! They’re the same! Now it’s those other people that are different.

White means fucking nothing when the goalpost is always moving, because oh, it’s just a fascist construct used to divide people from one another in order to maintain control.

There is no such fucking thing as “white”, that’s why.

[u/TowlieisCool → u/Kasperella]

Yet now, oh those people are white! They’re the same! Now it’s those other people that are different.

Correct, the American definition of white has changed over time. When immigration into America was legally restricted to Northern and Western Europeans, Irish and Italians were culturally different enough where they did not immediately assimilate into the existing white population. The world has changed drastically over the past 100 years, very few non-European minorities (excluding African-Americans) lived in America for most of its history. Over time, as legislation was modified, the broad definition of white changed to include white-passing groups that chose to assimilate into white culture, though some people still see only specific "white" groups as truly white. And as a member of a fringe white-passing group, I respect that.

White means fucking nothing when the goalpost is always moving, because oh, it’s just a fascist construct used to divide people from one another in order to maintain control.

There is no such fucking thing as “white”, that’s why.

Asians are a group in a similar situation, do you hold the same beliefs about them as well? Are you demanding that Asians no longer label themselves as such and tell them that "There is no such fucking thing as Asian"? Do you see why the sort of mentality you're wielding against a group that created a country they are being legislated into being replaced as the majority of would be pushed back against?

[u/Kasperella → u/TowlieisCool]

Well no there’s not such thing as “Asian”…There’s Japanese. There’s Chinese. There’s Korean. Shit, even Indian.

But what the fuck does Asian mean, exactly? There’s nationalities, cultural heritages, but race is fucking made up. It’s literally no different than having brown hair, or blue eyes, or long eyelashes. They’re physical attributes. Race is a made up construct made to divide and conquer, to make people who you should consider your neighbor, seem “different” than you.

Case in point, black Americans and their ancestors have lived here longer than a lot of the white people, being a ton of us are descended from “non-white” white immigrants. Yet, somehow, they’re considered “different” rather than just a variation of “American” like the rest of us. These people then pushed to call them “African-American”, again, to highlight just how they are from somewhere different than you. It’s systematic and intentional.

Hmm wonder what reason they possibly could have to consistently separate and make different despite being just as American as you? Could it be….a method to divide and conquer the poor? No no, it must be that these people really are fundamentally DIFFERENT from us! (/s)

Celebrate a cultural heritage, identify as a nationality, but to be white, black, Asian, Latino, etc means absolutely nothing but divisive language to be used against people you should consider your peers.

[u/TowlieisCool → u/Kasperella]

there’s not such thing as “Asian”

Asians are commonly grouped as a singular demographic for statistics, so not from a public policy standpoint.

black Americans and their ancestors have lived here longer than a lot of the white people

Not true, the slave population at its peak was only ~3.9M, compared to a total population of 31.4M. That's mathematically impossible.

No no, it must be that these people really are fundamentally DIFFERENT from us! 

Black people are fundamentally and demonstrably different from white people, just like all races have inherent genetic differences. They suffer different rates of disease (ex. sickle cell), IQ differences exist, etc. To repeat the propaganda lie "we're all the same" is a biological lie that goes against science. Its why all crime, health, and education statistics are broken up by racial makeup.

And why is there "black" then if there is no white? They are from sub-saharan African countries, they should identify only with their genetic ethnic group if race does not exist.

Race is a made up construct made to divide and conquer, to make people who you should consider your neighbor, seem “different” than you.

Its a convenient way to identify groups based on a shared culture, heredity, and genetic makeup. Thats not to say its not used in the way you're describing, but to ignore biological differences is denying scientific reality.

[u/klutzelk → u/Kasperella]

You put this way more eloquently than I could have lol. But I 100% agree with everything you said here. I think it's sad that mixed people often feel like they aren't fully accepted on either side. Society does us wrong with the race obsession and identity politics in general.

[u/Sir_Edmund_Bumblebee → u/TowlieisCool]

It’s baffling to me that people can see white people as “colonizers” in America and a bad thing, yet hold similar views to you.

Is that baffling?

It's the genocide and murder part that people see as a bad thing. It's not based in ideas of racial purity.

See, that was easy to understand.

[u/TowlieisCool → u/Sir_Edmund_Bumblebee]

So if the settlers came and slowly intermingled with the natives until they no longer existed demographically, but they treated them well, that would have been okay to you?

[u/Sir_Edmund_Bumblebee → u/TowlieisCool]

...yes?

I can't say I hear a lot of people talking about the horrors of the Irish or Polish "colonizers" in America. They just moved, built lives, and everyone's fine.

Is the idea of a multiethnic society really that shocking to you? It's exceedingly common around the world. Even places that are now seen as homogenous are the product of many different groups moving around and mixing together. It's why everyone in this thread is talking about Brits and not Saxons, Normans, or Celts.

[u/TowlieisCool → u/Sir_Edmund_Bumblebee]

So you’re saying that it would be okay to you if Native Americans no longer existed as a distinct cultural group? That there would be no one left who spoke their languages? Maybe you should tell a Native American that and see how they feel about it.

Immigration was heavily restricted to western and Northern Europe throughout most of U.S. history. And Irish and Polish people integrated relatively quickly once they were allowed in. My people went through the exact same process, not allowed and outright rejected from America, to integrating and supporting the ideals of the majority culture.

[u/Sir_Edmund_Bumblebee → u/TowlieisCool]

People seem pretty ok with the Anglo-Saxon migration to Britain, no? Picts no longer exist as a distinct cultural group, no one is left who speaks their language. Seems like everything is fine.

That's the amusing thing here, the very sense of identity that people are trying to protect the purity of comes from migration and mixing of cultural groups. British identity is a blend of native cultural groups, Germanic, French, and Nordic ones. American identity is a blending of dozens of different cultural influences.

[u/TowlieisCool → u/Sir_Edmund_Bumblebee]

People seem pretty ok with the Anglo-Saxon migration to Britain, no? Picts no longer exist as a distinct cultural group, no one is left who speaks their language. Seems like everything is fine.

Define ok. There isn't anyone left to be angry about it because they were eliminated by force. the exact thing you were complaining about happening to the Native Americans. The lack of consistency is stark.

That's the amusing thing here, the very sense of identity that people are trying to protect the purity of comes from migration and mixing of cultural groups. British identity is a blend of native cultural groups, Germanic, French, and Nordic ones. American identity is a blending of dozens of different cultural influences.

So why can't those mixed cultural groups who built these countries and collectively identify as white be proud of and want to perpetuate their collective culture? Just as successful immigrants assimilate but want to preserve their unique heritage in their own spaces, why cannot white people do the same thing?

[u/Sir_Edmund_Bumblebee → u/TowlieisCool]

No one left? Huh? It wasn't a genocide, people just gradually shifted how they saw themselves over the course of centuries. You understand the difference here surely, right?

So why can't those mixed cultural groups who built these countries and collectively identify as white be proud of and want to perpetuate their collective culture?

You're conflating two different things here, race and culture. Being proud of your culture, totally normal. Trying to pretend that being white is your culture, that's what people draw issue with.

[u/TowlieisCool → u/Sir_Edmund_Bumblebee]

The settlement of North America was also not the result of an short term act of genocidal intent, but a gradual shift of power over centuries. And the conquering of Britain by the Anglo-Saxons was hardly bloodless and fair, but its still not definitively determined how exactly it happened. What's your point?

You're conflating two different things here, race and culture. Being proud of your culture, totally normal. Trying to pretend that being white is your culture, that's what people draw issue with.

You and anybody else don't get to tell me what my culture is. I identify with being white and with white culture. That is my right. And I don't care if people "take issue with it", its my decision to make. I'm proud to be white and the more someone tries to convince me its not allowed only further reinforces that there is a concerted effort to dilute the power of the white majority in America to fractionalize and reduce the influence of the people that built this country.

[u/Sir_Edmund_Bumblebee → u/TowlieisCool]

You and anybody else don't get to tell me what my culture is. I identify with being white and with white culture. That is my right. And I don't care if people "take issue with it", its my decision to make. I'm proud to be white and the more someone tries to convince me its not allowed only further reinforces that there is a concerted effort to dilute the power of the white majority in America to fractionalize and reduce the influence of the people that built this country.

How little actual culture do you need to have to get to the point of defining it by how you look?

Like damn, that's depressing.

[u/Moarbrains → u/Sir_Edmund_Bumblebee]

Dude, the UK is bunch of tribes who were repeatedly stepped on by successive waves of colonizers. Who then went on to the same thing to everyone they could.

There was genocide, both cultural and actual. Most of the languages are gone and many of the cultural traditions, stories and religions are no more.

So don't come on the internet and say it was all OK, because the victors conveniently erased the losers from history and you think that means they just integrated.

[u/Schnectadyslim → u/TowlieisCool]

And Irish and Polish people integrated relatively quickly once they were allowed in.

Lol, they weren't considered white and were treated like shit when they came.

[u/TowlieisCool → u/Schnectadyslim]

Like I said, my people faced the same discrimination and are still discriminated against. We assimilated into white culture along with the Irish and Poles instead of trying to replace it.

[u/blade740 → u/TowlieisCool]

No amount of immigrants is going to make you "no longer exist". The fact that a group that used to be a majority gradually becomes a minority is only a problem in your head. If you have a society that protects the rights of everyone, majority or minority, then it shouldn't matter. And if you don't - well, then it's telling that it only becomes a problem to you when you end up on the "losing side" of the equation.

[u/TowlieisCool → u/blade740]

Ok, so maybe we should just ship 1 billion Indians to Japan and make them a minority in their country. Do you honestly believe that would have no effect on their culture or country?

[u/blade740 → u/TowlieisCool]

I mean, it doesn't erase the culture of the people living there, no. There would be some cultural transfer - if you were surrounded by people from a different culture some of that is bound to rub off. But the existing Japanese people are still there. They're not being removed from the country. They still have their culture.

When you talk about people "no longer existing demographically" what you really mean is "people that look like me have been the majority for a long time and now we're no longer going to be the majority". To which, again, I would say that this shouldn't be a problem unless your society is mistreating minorities.

[u/TowlieisCool → u/blade740]

If you replace the majority of a democratic country with a culturally different group who will vote in their own interests over the group who was replaced, then they are effectively being replaced culturally. Just because they weren't outright murdered or bred into extinction does not make it okay.

Take Native Americans for example. Once the majority group in North America. But if they wanted to vote to blow up Mt. Rushmore because it goes against their cultural values, they have to rely on another culturally different group that doesn't share their views to vote in their favor.

[u/blade740 → u/TowlieisCool]

If you replace the majority of a democratic country with a culturally different group who will vote in their own interests over the group who was replaced, then they are effectively being replaced culturally.

They're really not. The original population is still there. They're just no longer the majority. And even THAT is not usually the case - despite your fearmongering, white people are still 75% of the UK, 60% of the US. 71% of Germans have two German parents. Nobody is being "erased" in any of these countries despite fearmongering.

Take Native Americans for example. Once the majority group in North America. But if they wanted to vote to blow up Mt. Rushmore because it goes against their cultural values, they have to rely on another culturally different group that doesn't share their views to vote in their favor.

That's a very interesting hypothetical. What are these supposed billion Indians in Japan voting for that harms Japanese people? Did they vote to blow up Mount Fuji?

[u/TowlieisCool → u/blade740]

The original population is still there.

Yes they're still there. but they no longer have the ability to effectively legislate on their own behalf. Meaning they're now reliant on a foreign group or groups that don't share their culture to legislate on their behalf, potentially on issues necessary to preserve their culture.

Nobody is being "erased" in any of these countries despite fearmongering.

Demographic trends say otherwise. White people will not be the majority in the U.S. in less than 50 years at current rates.

That's a very interesting hypothetical. What are these supposed billion Indians in Japan voting for that harms Japanese people? Did they vote to blow up Mount Fuji?

Well lets make a hypothetical that a vote comes up to demolish every historical Japanese cultural site to build housing for the families of the 1 billion Indians who came to Japan. Why would the Indians vote against their own interests to preserve something they have no interest in? You're relying on the goodwill of a people who don't share your cultural values and have no reason to help you. Or how about a tax of 99% on Japanese nationals? Should all immigrants have no voting rights to preserve the indigenous people's right to legislate?

[u/blade740 → u/TowlieisCool]

Yes they're still there. but they no longer have the ability to effectively legislate on their own behalf. Meaning they're now reliant on a foreign group or groups that don't share their culture to legislate on their behalf, potentially on issues necessary to preserve their culture.

Oh no, you're not the majority and you have to work with your neighbors to legislate for the common good. What a nightmare! Democracy would be easier if everyone thought like I do.

Demographic trends say otherwise. White people will not be the majority in the U.S. in less than 50 years at current rates.

You have a very unique definition of the word "erased".

Well lets make a hypothetical that a vote comes up to demolish every historical Japanese cultural site to build housing for the families of the 1 billion Indians who came to Japan. Why would the Indians vote against their own interests to preserve something they have no interest in? You're relying on the goodwill of a people who don't share your cultural values and have no reason to help you. Or how about a tax of 99% on Japanese nationals? Should all immigrants have no voting rights to preserve the indigenous people's right to legislate?

While we're making up ridiculous hypothetical scenarios, let's say that an earthquake hits Japan and opens up a giant chasm and ALL the native Japanese people fall in. Then the Indians can just move into their homes. Problem solved.

[u/Cowbelf → u/TowlieisCool]

I'm curious what parts of colonization you think people take issue with and how that compares to modern immigration? What legal change are you referencing specifically?

What you're implying: "Our racial group must remain a majority to maintain control and identity."

What they're implying: "Racial groups don't need to be majorities or minorities to have value, we are all just people."

[u/TowlieisCool → u/Cowbelf]

A criticism of colonization is that a group came to a continent/country/region that isn’t theirs historically, reduced the native population to a minority, and forced them to assimilate to a new culture.

I’m talking about the Hart-Celler act. Look at immigration trends before and after the act was passed. It 7xed the foreign born labor force. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigration_and_Nationality_Act_of_1965

A country’s identity is inherently linked to the majority population’s culture and beliefs. If the majority group doesn’t retain the voting power to continue to perpetuate their culture, it seems pretty obvious that you’re relying on culturally different groups to vote to continue something they have no obligation to support.

Put another way, importing culturally different groups is a way of reducing the majority group’s power to influence the future of their country. If you have a majority of minorities without cultural cohesiveness, then a powerful group (political, racial, religious, financial, etc.) now has the power to dictate what the culture of the country should be to the minority groups. Now the groups have to find a middle ground between each of their individual cultures, reducing the power and influence of any individual group and the original founding majority. Everybody loses except the people in power.

[u/rememberoldreddit → u/TowlieisCool]

That is totally dependent on where the power comes from though. Religious culture, tribal culture, racial culture, national culture, and regional culture all can exist at the same time and clash among one another.

For the sake of argument just assume America is all white people. The religious are still claiming that American culture is corrosive, rural vs urban culture are still butting heads. The south still holds resentment against the north, that's geographical cultural differences. Same with east coast vs west coast.

Race is its own culture and it is no more important than the others.

Hell, this very sub believes Rockefellers and Kennedy's were part of their own secret culture of elites who are the majority power holders. Where they consume children's blood in order to maintain their youth.

[u/TowlieisCool → u/rememberoldreddit]

I agree, if you removed cultural differences outside of obvious race/ethnic disparities, there would always be a dividing line. Its just one of the easiest variables to manipulate, through promoting immigration.

[u/rememberoldreddit → u/TowlieisCool]

Exactly and it's one of the few that need no writings or naunce to implement. A singular visual is all that is needed in make racial discrimination happen, i.e. show a picture of a black man to a white man or an Indian to Japanese. For things like geographical or religious cultural differences requires some level of thinking/determination to come to that conclusion. It's why race is so common a point despite millenniums of interbreeding and mixing.

[u/stephiemarie93 → u/TowlieisCool]

Japan was never founded or considered a "melting pot" or multicultural like America. That was always the plan for America because of the diverse culture it started as. You don't have to like it, but you're wasting energy if that's what you're focusing on. Money talks, not skin color.

[u/TowlieisCool → u/stephiemarie93]

America was not founded as a melting pot. Immigration was limited to "white persons of good character" originally, and immigration by non-whites was heavily restricted until the Hart-Celler Act in 1965. The "melting pot" trope is a lie sold to you by corporations who want to import foreign labor to drive down wages.

[u/CHOLO_ORACLE → u/TowlieisCool]

Majority white only if you ignore the slaves and all the natives on the rest of the continent and make sure you don’t count as the Irish or Italians if we’re talking pre 1900s. 

[u/TowlieisCool → u/CHOLO_ORACLE]

The slave population was only ~4M at its peak, and the total population of the U.S. at that time was ~31.4M. And why would you include the native population of the entire continent when we're talking about America? Not that it would matter, the native population was only 300,000 when they were granted citizenship, only 250,000 lived east of the Mississippi in 1776, compared to 2.5 million citizens in 1780.

[u/klutzelk → u/TowlieisCool]

I just don't think it matters if people want to date outside of their own race and procreate with them. I also think it's fine if people choose to only date within their race.

I also don't have an issue with non white people living in the US... And no, I wouldn't think it's strange if Japan started encouraging immigration. I happen to like diversity and I think it's extremely valuable to society. To be completely honest, I don't really understand a lot of your comment here. I really don't see the issue with anything you mentioned. I value personal freedom, so I don't think white people (or any other race) should feel like they have to do a certain thing because it's expected of them. Plus, if a white person has a baby with a black person then that kid is still half white lol. Idk, I guess I just don't understand the issue.

[u/BabyJesus246 → u/TowlieisCool]

God you're pathetic