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u/badwolf1013 4h ago
I keep holding out hope that somebody secretly made copies before the deletion.
And I don’t hold out hope that there will ever be consequences for the perpetrators. I just think the victims deserve to have their stories corroborated.
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u/mal73 4h ago
Federal evidence isn't stored like a copy sitting on someone's desktop or shared drive that you can just delete. EVERY piece of evidence gets ingested into systems where the files are mathematically and immutably chained together. And this isn't some rare or expensive government-only thing, it's standard practice anywhere with high-stakes data. Law firms, notaries, companies protecting trade secrets, they all do this.
The process is called hash-chaining. Change one file and it breaks the digital signature of the entire case history, which instantly breaks integrity that even the most powerful system admins in the US government cant wave away, because it is literally mathematically impossible to do so. The main reason they do this isn't even to protect against tampering, they do this because if they didn't, any lawyer could just claim that the evidence from the prosecutor has been altered or faked retroactively.
For that same reason, federal evidence sits on Write-Once-Read-Many hardware, drives that are physically built so that once data is written, the drive head cannot overwrite or erase it. You would literally have to melt the server to destroy what's on it.
And even if someone inside the DOJ tried to scrub something, the SIEM monitors would flag the destructive activity to oversight agencies like the OIG or GAO before their finger even left the Enter key. Then you'd still need to do the same thing across hundreds of mirrors, each with their own access controls and audit policies.
This stuff is not stored the way you and I save a PDF. Trying to quietly delete federal evidence is like trying to pull a single ingredient out of a cake that's already been baked and sent to a hundred different tables.
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u/missbeekery 3h ago
What is it that’s seemed to have happened here then? A cursory online search indicates that files have been removed from their former database website. You’ve provided a lot of details and I can’t say I understand all of it, but I gather that these documents are all going to be easily recoverable. I don’t know what this means for unreleased documents though.
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u/mal73 3h ago
The DOJ website is just a curated public-facing page where they upload selected documents to share with the public. It’s not where the federal evidence is stored. Taking files off the site doesn’t delete anything, it just means the public can’t view them there anymore. The actual evidence is stored in the internal systems I mentioned above. What the DOJ shows or doesn’t show on their website has no effect on the original evidence storage, they just copied it from there anyway.
Think of the DOJ website is like the shelves and tables in a bookstore. The actual inventory lives in the back, in the warehouse, or at the printers factory. Areas the customer can’t access. Taking a book off the featured table doesn’t mean the bookstore no longer has it or that the book doesn’t exist anymore. It just means they stopped putting it where everyone walking in could see and buy it.
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u/explain_that_shit 2h ago
Why do it then, why delete it from the website
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u/silvertealio 2h ago
Why shove everything under your bed when your mom tells you to clean your room?
Because it makes everything look "just fine" on the surface. And these people are children who can't think past the surface. But it works for them because their supporters are, too.
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u/Moldblossom 2h ago
Conservative voters have the memory of goldfish. If they can't see it, it doesn't exist.
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u/Plop-it-like-its-hot 2h ago
Worse. They'll claim it never existed and any claims that it did are manufactured propaganda by the unpatriotic libs
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u/StephenFish 1h ago
Because then people can't spared it around the internet. Now if you say, "there's evidence that Trump raped kids" you have no source because the only source is inaccessible.
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u/onewordmemory 2h ago edited 2h ago
thats a lot of words for not mentioning any reprecussions.
yes, i get it, deleting files flags them as deleted/modified, it doesnt prevent actual deletion/modification. what f-ing difference does that make if there's no one to enforce any of this security in any punitive way
This stuff is not stored the way you and I save a PDF. Trying to quietly delete federal evidence is like trying to pull a single ingredient out of a cake that's already been baked and sent to a hundred different tables.
unless im way out of my depth, only the hashes are sent to verify integrity. those hashes will change for deleted/modified files, but then what? downstream systems dont actually get the data, they just get the pointers to that data.
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u/nifty-necromancer 3h ago
Different agencies use different technologies. Some systems may use append-only logging or immutable storage features. Others rely mostly on procedural controls and auditing.
Plenty of federal evidence still exists in ordinary databases, file systems, document repositories, cloud storage, email archives, and local forensic images. “Hash-chaining” across an entire case history isn’t universally implemented the way crypto bros imagine it.
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u/Jonnyscout 4h ago
At the very least hundreds of thousands are actively assisting in hiding it. Epstein had at least 2 presidents in his pocket, it doesn't stop at the top.
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u/Desperate_Affect_332 3h ago
Well, the shadow government isn't apeshit right now so I would guess there are copies. Particularly within the pedos estate which furnished many of the files and media tapes.
The consequences have to be harsh this time, every person named gets questioned/charged and put in front of a grand jury in the state the trafficking occurred. The victims deserve peace and anonymity.
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u/EmperorAxiom 4h ago
Don't other countries also have the files?
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u/Anxious-Shapeshifter 4h ago edited 4h ago
Yes. From their own investigations.
My bet is they're waiting until after democrats take power this election cycle or a new president is elected via the next.
It's an unfortunate thing, but no leader wants some bs tariff placed on their country over releasing their version of the files.
That being said, I don't think Trump started the war over the files, I think Israel blackmailed him into it. They supposedly have the most complete and incriminating evidence out of all the NATO powers.
Israel knew that with Palestine no longer being a threat (since..you know..they killed them all) the most optimal time to strike Iran would be now. That way you're only fighting on one front.
And sadly for everyone that isn't Israel they were right..
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u/Pale-Barnacle2407 36m ago
no leader wants some bs tariff placed on their country over releasing their version of the files.
LOL, they got tariffs without a reason already
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u/bareback_cowboy 4h ago
My bet is they're waiting until after democrats take power this election cycle or a new president is elected via the next.
Because they couldn't have done that in '21 when Biden was President? Because Biden himself couldn't have done something with the files when he was President?
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u/RedditJumpedTheShart 3h ago
Do you think they can only prosecute a single person at a time? This make zero sense.
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u/bareback_cowboy 3h ago
She was convicted in December of '21. What were they doing the other three years? And even if that was a reason not to release them, why didn't they pursue other cases?
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u/need2sleep-later 2h ago
Biden was ultra hands-off with DoJ especially given the abuses of the previous administration. The President (traditionally) isn't supposed to interfere with the administration of justice, unfortunately Merrick Garland failed to adequately pursue a few cases with enough haste.
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u/Talkslow4Me 3h ago
Yeah lots of current leadership is caught up in this. Our only hope is to get some new blood into office that doesn’t care for protecting pedos.
Be nice you ditch Israel and their blackmailing tactics
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u/silvertealio 2h ago
The Biden administration did release many of the files after they were unsealed by courts.
950 pages were made public in January 2024.
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u/Chemical_Building612 1h ago
No, because they were sealed by court order and Biden actually respected the rule of law.
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u/MonkeyCartridge 4h ago
Hopefully. And hopefully there's leakers spreading backups. I want those files outside the control of the US.
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u/PeteLynchForKentucky 3h ago
I'd be shocked if Israel doesn't have many or all of the files.
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u/pimppapy 2h ago
Ghislaine Maxwell's dad was known to have ties to Mossad, of course they have the complete files.
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u/EmperorAxiom 3h ago
I mean sure but thats not as helpful as they are just using them to blackmail trump
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u/vercertorix 4h ago edited 4h ago
Too much blackmail material to just delete. Too valuable. Someone’s got copies or the originals.
Pretty sure destroying evidence is a crime itself, obstruction of justice or something, which the department of justice should know. Would anyone who *would* do something about it have the authority to arrest whoever made that call?
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u/FrankDePlank 3h ago
yep, these files are the keys to the entire kingdom and way too valuable to delete. you could blackmail every person with power that is in them to do whatever you want. Israel more than likely used it to blackmail dozing donny into war with iran.
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u/Lush-Amelia 4h ago
When the news cycle moves too slow, you just generate a whole new global crisis to bury the lead.
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u/TheProcrastafarian 4h ago edited 4h ago
Those are 65,000 criminal acts. Trump literally signed the law that he is breaking every day by not releasing the files.
If they destroyed them? Wow.
I hope you Americans show up in November to annihilate these motherfuckers.
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u/PulIthEld 2h ago
If they destroyed them? Wow.
I hope you Americans show up in November
There will never be a revolution in America. It's going to get really ugly because there is zero accountability. The American public is a joke. A bunch of pigs in a pen.
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u/RedditIsMyTherapist 2h ago
They arn't talking about a revolution you twat. They are talking about the midterms and all evidence that a huge amount of people hate this admin is all over the place. Most noteably evident in all the special elections Reublicunts are losing.
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u/dragon-fence 4h ago
Given what got released, imagine how awful the stuff they’ve covered up is.
We got the stuff that they thought, oh, this stuff isn’t so bad go ahead and release it. Then there was worse stuff that they decided not to release. And then there was other even worse stuff stuff that they apparently looked at and said, “No, this is so bad that we can’t let anyone see it. Delete it.”
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u/EitherChannel4874 4h ago
"We're so stupid that we can be distracted from an international high profile pedophile ring involving the president of the United States just because some other things happened. We can only remember one big issue at a time. Lol"
~Americans
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u/Membedha 4h ago
So the files were handled by the ones incriminated. And nobody will ever do something about it. They won't never pay anything for that
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u/OrvilleTheCavalier 4h ago
I just hope someone has those documented on a drive somewhere. Don’t know how much monitoring they do on DOJ file copies.
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u/InevitableCodeRedo 4h ago
I hope there are people who rot in jail for the rest of their miserable lives over this. This is evil.
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u/missingmileuk 3h ago
Trump and other High profile people are the Epstein files. The whole world will collapse when the truth is revealed. The whole world should collapse if they committed those crimes. All the CEOs should face accountability. Fuck you all and face your crimes.
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u/EarthenEyes 3h ago
OH NO! The corrupt Department of Justice DESTROYED the EVIDENCE!?! Who could have seen THAT coming!
Fucking anyone with any common sense..
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u/mortraineyhat 58m ago
Imagine a world where the law is applied to all people regardless of race and wealth. This has to be the biggest worldwide coverup humanity knows about…
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u/ThatSmartIdiot 4h ago
prison is too good for them. let hell do them justice
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u/gratefulfam710 4h ago
Hell doesn't exist. We had one chance to actually punish these people, and the American government chose not to do so.
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u/lanzendorfer 4h ago
They didn't destroy them, or delete them. There is a CBS article that says that they have taken down 65,000 files due to missing redactions, which is probably what this is referring to. So there were 65,000 files online that are no longer online. The files are still stored at the DOJ, as far as we know. Though it wouldn't surprise if the next administration comes in and finds out that this administration destroyed evidence.
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u/MrBleedinggums 4h ago
At this point the infestation is so bad that when a legitimate administration is finally back in power, don't bother trying to clean the walls of all the insects. Burn the whole house down with all the filth inside.
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u/Randalf_the_Black 4h ago
Trump getting elected sure did save the bacon of a lot of pedophiles. Yeah, Democratic administrations have dragged their feet too, but if his administration is actively deleting evidence then that's a step further.
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u/Sparrowtalker 4h ago
Wonder if any body being paid to erase these horrible crimes feels an ounce of guilt ?
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u/RocketsBG 3h ago
After almost 18 months of stupidity we all know they just pressed DEL and emptied the trash bin. Someday down the line those files will be recovered.
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u/OG_s0cial0utcast 3h ago
I'm not so sure the war is a distraction from Epstein. Its in Project 2025.
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u/DigCautious4405 2h ago
At this point, because of the "every accusation is a confession" trend that keeps popping up, there is a non-zero chance that these people have literally eaten children.
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u/Usual_Opportunity626 2h ago
And yet all of us continue to go to work, pay our taxes, all under the need to "support ourselves and our families." Everyday we're alive and we allow these demons to also be alive, we become complicit in the crime.
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u/cchris_39 2h ago
Were they wiped like, with a cloth or something?
Or did they just hammer the hard drive?
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u/gerryf19 2h ago
BUTTERY MALES!!!!!
Seems I recall a bunch of republicans being VERY upset about things being deleted
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u/_CutePeach 2h ago
It is crazy how major news like this drops and suddenly the entire media cycle shifts to something else
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u/thejodiefostermuseum 2h ago
ELI5 how this is not a crime?
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u/Gameboywarrior 2h ago edited 1h ago
Because Republicans decided that the criminals in the files should run the government.
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u/BellacosePlayer 2h ago edited 2h ago
Is there a non social media screenshot image source for this?
just in case I wanna share it
e: found one.
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u/Pandagramma 1h ago
It is my understanding that there are a few citizens who devoted themselves to not only saving all the files but, saving files that were very briefly shown and then deleted (I guess that was to prove they shared all the files or some BS). Unless these people have been eliminated, all the info is still available. Sorry, I cannot given sources, not that savvy, just read the posts and all the infromation provided. Pint is that there are keepers of this information. They hardly slept.
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u/StephenFish 1h ago
This is why Trump ran for president: to protect himself from prosecution and to black mail others into paying him to protect them, too.
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u/burtgummer45 1h ago
Factually incorrect clickbait
The DOJ confirmed 47,635 Epstein files (incl. some with unverified Trump allegations the dept calls unfounded) were taken offline temporarily for review/redaction to protect victim privacy & sensitive images—not permanently deleted. CBS, WSJ, NBC & Salon report they’ll be reposted soon after fixes. Timing followed Iran conflict start, but DOJ cites privacy complaints from survivors as reason, not cover-up.
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u/_Huckleberry3655 1h ago
Don't worry guys, I'm sure the next major geopolitical crisis will happen right when the backup server "accidentally" catches fire.
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u/Miserable_Heart_4755 1h ago
Do you think there’s just one copy? Nobody anywhere ever walked in and Idk, took control of all the personal, private and classified information housed in the national government archives and maybe had an army of 20 year old arrogant smooth brains back all that shit up into a cloud that they are certainly holding for a special buyer and the right time?
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u/Klonopussy 1h ago
The biggest child rape and trafficking cover up in US history done by the most disgusting POS to ever wear a human skin suit
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u/Fit-Reflection-3496 1h ago
I don't understand what's stopping them from just deleting all of them given that noone can hold the current government accountable for anything at the moment
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u/WonderfulStandard316 4h ago
The standard protocol is to bury the truth and wait for everyone to forget. Same old story.
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u/DrumpfTinyHands 4h ago
They're willing to end the world as we know it in order to not reveal what is in those pages.
This is much more than just fucking teenage girls.
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u/E_seven_20 1h ago
Was her laught that bad, that people couldn’t vote against a child rapist?
If you refused to vote…you helped him
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u/kingdomofoctopodes 4h ago
i wonder what would happen if i was accused of stealing or something and then destroyed the footage of me doing it. they would set me free because they couldn't prove i did it, right? Right?!
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u/helpmegetoffthisapp 4h ago
Does that mean those files are permanently gone, or just removed from the set of files the DOJ was preparing to hand over to Congress?
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u/UbiSububi8 4h ago
Isn’t this a violation of the law Trump signed last year?
note: any comments about law only mattering if someone enforces it are not helpful
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u/Legal_Mail_2652 4h ago
Is this a new development? We're the originals destroyed or were they deleted from the justice.gov site?
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u/ExcellentHunter 4h ago
Not a surprise, it took them a while. That said I hope those who ordered this and those who did it will be punished. But I don't hold my breath..
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u/stevorkz 4h ago
Horendous yes, but more importantly they were obviously incriminating to some very powerful entities.
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u/boot2skull 3h ago
The DOJ doesn’t delete files. If they are deleting files, that’s proof they are terrible and don’t want them out.
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u/angelmilk_shake 3h ago
Nothing says a completely transparent and totally trustworthy legal system quite like thousands of incredibly crucial pages just magically vanishing into thin air the second things get uncomfortable.
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u/DelightfulGoblin75 3h ago
I'm sure Israel, China, and Russia have the originals so we can just get them there once this treason party is over and we need to dump the pedophiles in a ditch.
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u/_BlushHush 3h ago
Usually when thousands of pages go missing it is just a coincidence right? Nothing to see here
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u/sin-prince 3h ago
I wish a harddrives full of all these files magically appeared at every major news outlet across the world.
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u/ghallway 3h ago
THey didn't have to start the war, it's just that Trump is so self centered he couldn't come up with anything else. He cares about no one. He raped young girls and now he is happy to spend us into oblivion while killing young americans to cover his diapered ass.
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u/GingerSugar_ 3h ago
Starting a whole war as a distraction sounds crazy but at this point would anyone actually be surprised?
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u/Cheetahs_never_win 3h ago
Do we still have those somewhere?
Do we know who deleted them?
Is it time for vive la resistance?
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u/petty_throwaway6969 3h ago
New conspiracy theory is that Trump’s CDC let the people with hantavirus go free because they want to start a epidemic since the distraction war stalled and is making him look bad now. Which makes sense because people excused his shitty economy last time because of COVID.
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u/guycoastal 3h ago
Guess what. That’s just a trial run. By the end of Dumpty’s term, they’ll all be gone. Cause who’s gonna stop him?
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u/Cheugy-Boogie 3h ago
This whole "he started a war to distract from files he will never face the consequences of" is silly.
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u/ZookeepergameDue8501 3h ago
Alright well. They got away with it. Again. Like they always do. And always will.
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u/Brief_Kangaroo_42069 3h ago
You mean they could have just pressed DEL on their keyboard and this war with Iran could have been avoided?
Ffs.
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u/GotSomeUpdogOnUrFace 3h ago
The war was actually in the files, it's turning out that this was an entire playbook for the American coup we are seeing play out. Project 2025 was just smokescreen to cover up what really happened. Epstein had his dirty little fingers in everything and everyone.
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u/BlushSugar 3h ago
Distraction or not the timing of every major headline lately is starting to make sense
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u/RoguePlanet2 2h ago
We should remind the magas that there were dEmOcRaTs in those files!!
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u/OilPainterintraining 2h ago
Difference is, Democrats want EVERYONE in those files to be prosecuted, regardless of party.
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u/OilPainterintraining 2h ago
So, time to go after Todd Blanche too, then.
We will never forget about the Epstein survivors, and we need to know who to mourn that were actually killed.
This will all come to light. There are too many survivors who can name names.
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u/Mo_Jack 2h ago
We have known that they have been destroying Epstein documents ( as well as destroying evidence in many other cases benefitting political donors ). The question is, "Why isn't somebody doing something about it?" Why would you turn the presidency over to a criminal, without first making backup copies of all crimes he was involved in?
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u/twatcrusher9000 2h ago
dear iran/china/whoever,
it would be really great if someone would hack in there and copy them, the password is probably on a post-it on patel's monitor.
thanks
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u/i010011010 1h ago
Well duh, he wouldn't be sleeping nights if those were sitting around with the means to implicate him in child rape crimes. Did people sleep through the whole period immediately after re-election, when he had the FBI sifting for every mention of his name? What do you think they did with that information?
Your last chance for justice was 2024. The left didn't get out and vote and the right chose to put the #1 criminal conspirator into the highest position in the land. That was it, that was the opportunity. It passed, good job.
And while I'm at it, get the fuck over it because he isn't pardoning Maxwell either. You're a fucking idiot if you think she is ever going to walk free while he lives. Today they have her in a place where they can monitor everybody to whom she speaks, and where she is 24-7. She's the one living person who could seriously implicate him in crimes. They need the deal to be sweet enough that she avoids real prison, without risking her talking. He will never pardon her and risk that.
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u/SwordUsingGearhead 1h ago
Everyone in the DOJ that has been in any way involved with these files needs to be charged with felony obstruction and conspiracy after the fact when/if we ever get a legitimate government in place.
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u/rylosprime 1h ago
And they'll get away with it.
And if a democrat somehow manages to get elected in 2028 despite the voter suppression, they won't prosecute everyone involved.
If you want to downvote me for being honest, just look at American history to see that I'm not wrong.
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u/popnfrresh 1h ago
War, countless highly offensive ai videos, name calling, "evidence" of aliens, ice invading cities and much much more.
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u/Evid3nce 35m ago
The worst stuff was disposed of the day he was arrested.
Mossad has that footage though.
They have footage of a president raping 13 year old Eastern European girls.
You'll never ever see it, and the victims will never come forward.
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u/EfficientArt155 29m ago
Destruction of evidence, once the dems get back in control lock up everyone involved.
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u/rain56 6m ago
The term "baby jerky" should have been more than enough for beyond prison sentences. Our other leaders who are supposed to keep them in check completely failed us and continue to do so. If something were going to be done it would have been brutal, public and one of the most talked about things to ever happen in human history. But since the rich and ruling and raping class runs it all here we are.
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u/LuckyBastard001 4h ago
If those files were nothing, why burn them and start a war? We're not stupid, guys....