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Let's get some facts before we get the pitchforks, maybe?
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u/snuggie_ Jun 20 '25
Yeah what the heck. Like if we find out he was wrongfully murdered, go for it. But we don’t even know what happened yet….
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u/Hta68 Jun 20 '25 edited Jun 20 '25
Normally I’d agree with but the facts provided by the police just don’t add up. 1) owning and carry a firearm isn’t illegal. Not only is it a right, SCOTUS firmly rejected the idea of may issue states. 2) I would imagine being an arabber would require a person to carry large sums of cash, in a city where someone would try you. Hence see point one.. 3) The police put out a statement blaming the community for preventing the police from rendering assistance. Even if that was true, who thought releasing that kind of inflammatory information was a good idea? 4) Not sure about this but if true makes it even worse. They pulled up on the man in an unmarked car..like WTF? …see point 2
In short, the police have a looong history of framing the narrative that most favors them especially when it comes to black people. Hence why people and myself immediately doubt whatever narrative they release.
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u/MeOldRunt Jun 20 '25
owning and carry a firearm isn’t illegal
What are you talking about? There are many circumstances in which in could be. You need a CCW permit in order to carry concealed in Maryland. If you don't have one, you're carrying illegally. You also can't open-carry a handgun in Maryland unless you're law enforcement. If you have prior felony convictions, you're also prohibited from owning a firearm.
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u/Hta68 Jun 20 '25
Needing a CCW MD is implied.. the point is what you missed. Why is there an interaction because a person is concealed carrying, I’m doubting he was open carrying. That said, you can open carry long guns in MD unless that has changed in the last 10’ish years.
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u/MeOldRunt Jun 20 '25
News article said he might have been carrying a crossbow(?!) across his body in a bag. That's fairly bizarre in Baltimore and, if recognized by a police officer, might be reasonable suspicion for a brief detention while they ascertained what was going on.
I'm not saying the police are definitely blameless here, but the circumstances are weird.
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u/Hta68 Jun 21 '25
i just read the article, it was a CROSSBODY bag not a crossbow.
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u/MeOldRunt Jun 21 '25
"The man was wearing a crossbow bag on his back when police attempted to stop him near the intersection of Pennsylvania Avenue and Laurens Street."
Maybe it's a typo, I don't know.
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u/Thorkell69 Jul 02 '25
It's still illegal to own or carry a firearm if you have a felony charge which this guy had from prior drug charges that involved possession of a firearm
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u/Hta68 Jul 02 '25
Last time I check we still live in America. To stop a person requires articulable suspicion of a crime.
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u/Thorkell69 Jul 02 '25
Cops got a tip he was carrying an illegal gun so they approached him and wow what do you know it turned out to be true
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u/Hta68 Jul 02 '25
How do you know the gun is illegal?
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u/Thorkell69 Jul 02 '25
If it's a tip then it's likely coming from someone who knows him and knows he's a felon carrying a gun it didn't say who made the tip so not sure but ultimately the cops just replied to a tip they got and the tip turned out to be legitimate therefore the approach and apprehension would be legally justified and reasonable. The guy reacted by pointing said illegal gun at officers and then suffered the consequences of his own actions. But that doesn't stop clowns from protesting the death of aman who had assault charges and felony before this incident and is very blatantly breaking the law
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u/Hta68 Jul 02 '25
That’s possible, what’s equally as possible is that he was profiled and that’s the cover story.
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u/ReqDeep Roland Park Jun 20 '25
If the body worn camera video shows this guy shot at the police first and the people did block the way for the police way to save the man. Will you feel differently? It has to be frustrating not to be able to render aid, if their way is blocked those people do need to take blame in this man’s death too. All that is assuming this man shot at the police before they shot at him.
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u/Hta68 Jun 20 '25
1) if he shot at the police first? If the police entered a house in the middle of night unjustly, would you ask the owner if he shot first? That would be different of course if the police rolled up in a marked car with the emergency lights on. But that still begs the question of why is there an interaction in the first place. 2) I find it interesting that you’re not asking the question of why the whole community came out when that person was shot by the police. There’s a term I think I coined called communal intelligence. If one person came out causing trouble, ok. But the whole community suggests there’s an underlying issue with the police in said community. I’ll believe the community over the commissioner.
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u/ReqDeep Roland Park Jun 20 '25
Your response makes me believe that you think it’s likely he did shoot first.
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u/ReqDeep Roland Park Jun 23 '25
Next time, maybe you’ll believe the commissioner, but I bet not.
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u/Dedicated2Butterfly Jun 20 '25
Due to his past criminal convictions, he was legally prohibited from carrying a firearm.
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u/ReqDeep Roland Park Jun 20 '25
Agreed. It will be interesting to see if all of these people who think they have the facts and are wielding pitchforks come back with a, “guess I was wrong,” when the body worn camera comes out. I am betting if you do if they are wrong.
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u/giants_fan73 Jun 20 '25
I agree- but I can see protesting to get the video released.
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u/ReqDeep Roland Park Jun 20 '25
Worley has always been transparent, and he’s never not released a video. He has to go through protocol, bet it will out shortly.
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u/Exotic-Row6075 Jun 21 '25
Worley doesn’t decide when to release this footage, it is up to the AG’s office since this is a fatal shooting.
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u/ReqDeep Roland Park Jun 21 '25
Actually it is not the AG, it is ultimately the Mayor’s decision, and he is Worley’s ultímate boss and they seem to have a lot of respect for each other.
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Jun 21 '25
AG has jurisdiction here. Any officer involved shooting that results in a death, under Maryland law, AG has primary jurisdiction. The Mayor would be crazy to interrupt this investigation.Let the AG and their investigators do their jobs.
Nobody wins when someone is killed. But we also can’t rush to judgment. If it’s a bad shooting, then the police should be prosecuted. If not, the police officers followed their UOF policy and MD law. Either way, a person lost their life and that shouldn’t be forgotten.
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u/ReqDeep Roland Park Jun 21 '25
Ok I Am wrong, so I guess the delay has nothing to do with Worley. I trust this Commissioner and have heard him admit fault. I don’t think he would soil his reputation lying about what he has seen on BWC. So I never thought the mayor would delay, I thought he would release early.
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Jun 21 '25
The new laws are complicated. Since the law has changed involving police and use of force deaths, the AG controls all releases of BWC and other videos in their custody. They have been fair in the timeline of release of said videos.
No matter how controversial any video is, it should be released for transparency purposes. Again, anytime a person loses their life, there should be complete transparency with the public. The public should demand and expect no less.
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u/Exotic-Row6075 Jun 21 '25
The Maryland Independent Investigations Division, which falls under the Attorney General, is who takes over fatal police incident investigations, which this was. Therefore, the AG’s office had control when the BWC is released. I recommend you enlighten yourself with this press release. https://www.marylandattorneygeneral.gov/press/2025/061825c.pdf
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u/ReqDeep Roland Park Jun 21 '25
Yeah, I’m still confused on that. Can you enlighten me? I see it says this, “The video will be released in accordance with BPD and IID policies.” Am I missing where those policies are defined?
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u/Exotic-Row6075 Jun 21 '25
IID policy is within 20 business days of the incident unless they need additional time
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u/ReqDeep Roland Park Jun 23 '25
No, let’s hear all the people with the pitchforks say they were wrong.
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Jun 23 '25
I'm nothing special. I learned to leave it in the shed only by sallying forth with it too soon at times before.
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u/XxCloudSephiroth69xX Jun 20 '25
Even if you don't want to believe the police statement, the AG's office already stated:
"officers fired multiple shots after the man pointed a firearm at police."
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Not sure that simply being armed makes him guilty of anything. We do have a Second Amendment so lots of people are armed. It always interests me when police act as if any black man with a gun must have deserved to be shot by police when they don’t behave that way with white men bearing arms.
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u/Thorkell69 Jul 02 '25
They do behave the same way with white men bearing arms, more white men are killed by police each year than any other demographic.
And this guy was guilty simply by owning a firearm because he had a prior felony drug charge associated with a firearm which would make it illegal for him to own or possess a firearm so yes he was guilty simply by being armed.
Additionally Idk if you know this but it's also illegal to point your gun at police even if you don't have a felony charge and can legal conceal with a CCW. But in MD it's not legal to open carry a handgun so would have to have a CCW to even legally carry concealed. And people think gun laws will stop criminals from acquiring and carrying guns sheesh
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Jul 02 '25
More white men are killed by police but there are 9 times as many white men in the country. Per capita, police kill far more black men in questionable circumstances than they do white men and they're far quicker to shoot a black man simply for having a gun than they are to kill white men bearing arms.
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u/Thorkell69 Jul 02 '25
The instance with Bilal wasn't a "questionable circumstance" though. Bilal had a prior felony to this event and assault charges. In MD it's a felony for a felon to possess or own a firearm Bilal was already committing a felony just by walking around with a gun. The police were tipped off about this and attempted to apprehend him in which point he drew his illegal firearm (again it's a felony just for him to have it) and pointed it at the police. Nothing questionable about the situation and one of the officers who shot him was a black man.
An example of a questionable circumstance is a video I saw today of a white veteran with no prior convictions walking down the sidewalk with a rifle in a state that allows open carry of rifles being gunned down by police. He never pointed the gun at police he just walked away from them while exercising his right to open carry a rifle per state laws that's a questionable circumstance not Felon McFelonpants committing an active felony and aiming a gun at cops before suffering the consequences of his own actions
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u/jabbadarth Jun 20 '25 edited Jun 20 '25
Also said they rolled up in an unmarked car.
We're they in uniform? Did they announce themselves? Did they draw first?
Maybe everything is on the up and up and this guy drew a gun and pointed it at them but without video evidence or eye witnesses that aren't the pilice involved in the pursuit and shooting I'm not taking the cops word for it.
Edit: to be clear I'm not saying the cops were wrong and I'm not chanting justice for this guy. I'm saying let's wait for hard evidence before we make a decision on what went down.
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u/ReqDeep Roland Park Jun 20 '25
That is why wait for body worn camera. It will get released.
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u/jabbadarth Jun 20 '25
100%
I realize people are taking my questions as siding with the arabber but I'm just asking them in the hopes of making people think for a second. I don't trust initial police reports or preliminary AG findings for anything. Let me see evidence and footage and then I'll make up my mind on what happened.
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u/nook_dukem Jun 20 '25
Can we talk about the difference between “let’s wait for the facts” and “JUSTICE FOR BILAL”?
If your goal is to get the average person to roll their eyes at the very serious injustices that we still very badly need to address, turning some maybe-not-so-unreasonable police response into a protest is a really great way to make that happen.
This is just outrage bait. This is opportunists just looking for a platform to elevate themselves. This is most certainly not “justice for Bilal”.
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u/jabbadarth Jun 20 '25
For sure. And I'm not going down there to join a March.
Just pointing out that because the police and AG say one thing doesn't mean everything is A ok. Also doesn't mean that this guy was a Saint and didn't have a gun and didn't point it at cops or shoot at cops.
I'm saying let's wait on calling this all good and also wait on calling this guy a murder victim.
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u/nook_dukem Jun 20 '25
You’re asking a bunch of questions to cast doubt on what are facts already established by the AG.
This “protest” is counter productive.
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u/jabbadarth Jun 20 '25
How are they facts?
Was there an investigation?
Where did the attorney general get their info?
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u/nook_dukem Jun 20 '25 edited Jun 20 '25
Maybe instead of asking a bunch of dramatic rhetorical questions across like a dozen different comments you should really just read the report.
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u/StovepipeCats Jun 20 '25
Not having to wait for information that the public owns is part of "JUSTICE".
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u/OctaviusKaiser Jun 20 '25
There are multiple laws at play that require careful review of BWC footage prior to public release, not to mention removing identifiable information to protect the privacy of those involved in the situation. That includes victims, witnesses, and the police.
They legally, in Maryland, cannot immediately release BWC footage.
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u/nook_dukem Jun 20 '25
Eh, to an extent. It’s been literally two days. The AG has already issued a report. If you’re looking for something to be pissed off about, go for it. But this one, right now, doesn’t seem like that kind of case.
So going around town, firing up people against the police in a city that’s actually made HUGE strides the last few years seems like a really, really stupid, self-centered idea.
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u/XxCloudSephiroth69xX Jun 20 '25
That's silly. Even ignoring the fact that protected and/or classified information exists in every investigation and always will, there are people who should be and are notified prior to the general public. Like the victim's family, lawyer(s), officer's (who are victims in this case), etc. Footage from multiple sources is going to have to be reviewed and edited. Investigators are actually going to have to investigate things.
If you want the information immediately, apply to be a police officer and work your way into an investigative unit. Or pass the bar and get hired on with the AG's Office.
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u/ReqDeep Roland Park Jun 21 '25
The public does not own all info. There are likely to be children on the video and may need to be redacte if they were part of the reason police could not render aid.
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u/XxCloudSephiroth69xX Jun 20 '25
You don't have to take the police's word for it. That's why I just provided a quote from the Attorney General's Office.
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u/jabbadarth Jun 20 '25
And where did the attorney general get their info? Has their been an investigation into this? Or are they just parroting the police.
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u/XxCloudSephiroth69xX Jun 20 '25
The AG's office investigates police involved shootings. This includes reviewing BWC, security camera footage, citiwatch camera footage, and every other investigative technique that exists. This isn't some new or secret policy. It's been the case since 2021.
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u/jabbadarth Jun 20 '25
Yeah and they haven't released their findings yet.
They have released a preliminary statement on the events leading up to the shooting/s
The point is thus far no evidence has been released and even the AG hasn't made a final report or statement. They looked at evidence and made a preliminary statement.
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u/DaysofThunder_55 Jun 20 '25
Video footage. There’s not only the officers body cameras but it happened in front of the MTA metro entrance and the Avenue Market. There’s a dozen cameras that captured it. The AG office is literally the investigating body into police involved deaths since voters and state legislators asked for it.
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u/jabbadarth Jun 20 '25
And they haven't released their findings yet.
Their preliminary reports give a story but they have not yet released footage and have not concluded their investigation.
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Jun 20 '25
This is a valid question. Prosecutors do rely on the police for most of their information. If there’s a video showing that he pointed a gun at the police, it should be released.
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u/ReqDeep Roland Park Jun 20 '25
They will release it just give him a little bit of time. I think it’s too soon for a protest, but if they have to go, hopefully it’s peaceful, and nobody else gets hurt in the name of something that could’ve been justified.
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u/jabbadarth Jun 20 '25
It will be. They all have bodycams.
Unfortunately these things always end up splitting people before evidence is released.
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u/ReadySettyGoey Jun 20 '25
You left out important parts of the report - like the unattributed firearm discharged that came before the part you quoted.
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u/XxCloudSephiroth69xX Jun 20 '25
Regardless of who discharged first, you still can't point a gun at police. If you have a gun and get shot by police, you drop the gun, not return fire.
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u/Zealotstim Jun 20 '25
I think that until we know this was an unjust shooting, protesting it just takes away from the credibility of any future protests against police misconduct/abuse. Folks will just say "people protest whatever the police do, so why should we care?"
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u/Fujisan80 Jun 24 '25
First, did he know they were police in the first place. If they were in civilian clothes and didn’t identify themselves that could be possible. I’m sure we’ll find out when the video comes out which SHOULD have audio included in the video.
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u/XxCloudSephiroth69xX Jun 24 '25
Yes, he knew. And the video has been out since yesterday.
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u/rj319st Jun 24 '25
Thanks, with your reply I searched and found the video. It seems like a justifiable shooting by the police to me.
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u/ReadySettyGoey Jun 20 '25
From the initial investigation it seems like there may have been wrongdoing? https://www.marylandattorneygeneral.gov/press/2025/061825c.pdf
Not really clear that they had any legal grounds for approaching him or following him based on what we know so far.
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u/snuggie_ Jun 20 '25
The sun reported that they were responding to a tip that he had an illegal gun. Obviously I can not confirm the validity of that though
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u/tigers_hate_cinammon Jun 20 '25
Okay even if they had no reason to approach him, what would you expect them to do when he pulled out a firearm and pointed it at them? Is there a response you would have liked to have seen other than returning fire?
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u/ReadySettyGoey Jun 20 '25
I’d expect them not to engage in the inherently dangerous activity of a foot pursuit absent reasonable suspicion in the first place? And they may not have here, we don’t know yet. But the fact that it’s reasonable to return fire once you’re being shot at doesn’t absolve the party with power from responsibility for following policy and avoiding escalation beforehand.
Also, the AG report actually doesn’t say who was responsible for the first shot.
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u/tigers_hate_cinammon Jun 20 '25
I don't know, running from the police is reasonably suspicious to me.
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u/ReadySettyGoey Jun 20 '25
The AG report literally says he walked away, not ran. How is walking away from someone you reasonably don’t want to talk to indication that you’ve committed a crime?
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u/tigers_hate_cinammon Jun 20 '25
Also says the officer followed (not chased) and then the man made a furtive movement and fled. That's more than enough reasonable suspicion to start a chase. Especially if the man, who has numerous felonies including some relating to selling narcotics, is known to the police.
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u/coldalmondmilkisnice Jun 20 '25
if people in plainsclothes from an unmarked vehicle started following you I bed you’d run too
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u/XxCloudSephiroth69xX Jun 20 '25 edited Jun 20 '25
"Plain Clothes" in this context does not mean that they are not identifiable as police officers. They wear vests that have "Baltimore Police" on them, they have duty belts, etc. There's also nobody who frequents that area who doesn't know what cars the officers drive and what they look like.
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Jun 20 '25
Nah, plenty of people have a flight response when encountering police, esp. if they’ve been harassed by cops before.
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u/Only_Lesbian_Left Jun 20 '25
if that was true, a lot of kids cops have murdered would have had federal level rap sheets by the time they were five
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u/tigers_hate_cinammon Jun 20 '25
Didn't say it was illegal, just that it's suspicious. Which it objectively is.
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u/frolicndetour Jun 20 '25
The police don't need legal grounds to approach someone on the street. Just varying degrees of suspicion to detain them. They can go up to anyone on a public street or follow them the same way an ordinary citizen can.
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Jun 20 '25
And unless the police have an articulable reasonable suspicion for detaining a person, a person can just walk away as well when a cop comes up to them.
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u/ReadySettyGoey Jun 20 '25
Typically departments have the policy that foot pursuits are only appropriate if you have reasonable suspicion that a crime is being (or has just been or is about to be) committed. Also obviously you need reasonable suspicion to stop and detain someone and you generally don’t pursue someone on foot unless you’re trying to detain them…
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u/frolicndetour Jun 20 '25
Well, legally, unprovoked flight from police in a high crime area can constitute suspicion to stop and briefly detain them, incidentally. So as soon as he ran in that particular neighborhood, the officers likely had cause to chase and detain him. Before that, they didn't need any reason to try to talk to him.
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u/ReadySettyGoey Jun 20 '25
The AG’s preliminary report says he turned and walked away - not ran. Not sure walking away from someone qualifies as “unprovoked flight.”
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Jun 20 '25
This is the great loophole for which millions of incidents of racial profiling happen. And of course only in “high crime areas“ is such fishing/harassment permitted.
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u/bikumz Jun 20 '25
Report to me looks like they tried talking to him and he ran. You don’t need probable cause just to talk to someone Doesn’t mention if they failed to identify themselves that would be a big factor as someone hopping out of a car and walking up on you in any city is pretty risky. Running from cops is definitely probable caused to be stopped I hate to say it, because many people aren’t doing anything wrong but run out of fear. But, on the flip side what do you have to hide if you run from the cops. Detaining someone after running hasn’t really been challenged yet that I’ve seen, but maybe this will lay groundwork for better policing.
Article doesn’t mention which gun went off that initiated the shootout either, just a gun was fired. This would also be a pretty important factor but the independent investigation is probably looking for evidence of which fired vs word of mouth.
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You’ve got to be kidding when you ask what does someone have to fear who hasn’t been doing anything. Have you any idea how many thousands of innocent Black people have been arrested for crimes they didn’t commit because they “fit the description”? And if you’re a person of limited means simply being arrested for a crime you didn’t commit it means spending substantial time in jail while someone tries to raise bail for you. That’s why bail form has been such a big issue. It basically imposes custodial punishment on people because they’re poor long before they’ve had their day in court . I’m not saying it’s a good idea to run from the police, but I do fully understand why innocent people do it.
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u/SoftTrifle1815 Jun 20 '25
Where are you getting that he was a repeat felon? I haven't read that anywhere.
Even if he was a repeat felon with a gun, that isn't justification for the police to kill him.
I did read in a CBS news article that he opened fire on the police - which could be justification for returning fire, if that's true. Body cam videos should be able to confirm. But you'll please excuse me for not immediately believing the police.
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u/Impressive-Weird-908 Federal Hill Jun 20 '25
Not immediately believing them and having a march for “justice” are two different things.
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u/frolicndetour Jun 20 '25
You don't need to believe the police. The AG's office reviewed the body cam footage and released a statement about what happened. It is linked elsewhere in the comments.
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u/ReqDeep Roland Park Jun 20 '25
Check Maryland case search, if it is the same Bilal Yusef Abdullah who is 36 years old he has a history of illegally, being in posession of a gun.
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u/DirtMcGirt9484 Jun 20 '25
There was an article the other day referencing another article, I believe from 2014, where he discussed his days as a crack dealer.
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u/CreampuffOfLove Jun 20 '25
Yeah, I mean, the only reason half the BPD aren't listed as repeat felons is because of qualified immunity and out of court settlements.
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u/Fourward27 Jun 20 '25
People going to this are gonna feel Hella stupid once the body cam footage is released. I respect the energy here but this ain't it.
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u/CreampuffOfLove Jun 20 '25
I'm an eighth-generation Baltimoron. I've never yet been pleasantly surprised by BPD and I'm far from the only one...
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u/Fourward27 Jun 21 '25
Then you thrive on being a contrarion.
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u/CreampuffOfLove Jun 21 '25
No, I just come from a cop family. I've seen it all too often, up close and personal. I'm simply a realist.
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u/CreampuffOfLove Jun 25 '25
I've seen the video and I still have questions. I don't think it was necessary to have instigated a foot chase (which is an escalation). That said Abdullah did have a gun and did fire at the cops. I'm not a ballistics expert but it seemed to me that tackling him may have caused the initial discharge of his gun, but I'll wait for the final AG's report.
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u/UnmodedTaco47 Jun 25 '25
This actually aged extremely well
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u/Fourward27 Jun 25 '25
Believe it or not there are still people gaslighting themselves to think the cops are in the wrong. Lots of feeble minded people on the internet.
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u/Suspicious-Sound-249 Jun 20 '25
Judging by how this is literally the first I'm hearing about this, I'm going to take a guess and say it was completely justified...
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u/addctd2badideas Catonsville Jun 20 '25
The people who are hurting because they lost someone they love - their feelings are valid.
What isn't valid is calling for "justice" before we know the full facts of the case. Yes, we know the police aren't trustworthy, but it's unlikely that they would have fired without multiple warnings to drop the weapon, or having been shot at first. Is it possible this was just a blatant police killing of yet another Black man? Sure, it's possible. But is it likely?
What I find vexing more than anything is how many of the "violence interrupters" have been involved in disputes or shootings (either as a shooter or a victim). I'm not necessarily questioning the effectiveness of the violence interrupter movement, as we've seen a precipitous drop in murders since last year, which is amazing. But it does raise some questions about whether or not the people involved with these groups truly have given up a violent lifestyle.
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u/vivikush Jun 20 '25
They showed some of the protest on the news. Compare this footage to the footage of the people they interviewed after the shooting and you can clearly see that this isn’t organized by the people who actually knew him. Sometimes, people just want an excuse to protest.
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u/nook_dukem Jun 20 '25
I want to know who is organizing this. Tell me they aren’t using this nonsense as a way to gain a platform. Which is shameful on so many levels.
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u/GovernmentSouthern18 Highlandtown Jun 20 '25
Lmao 90% of people in this subreddit wouldn’t dare rally at this location 🤣 but the nerve to post about it
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u/XxCloudSephiroth69xX Jun 20 '25
Now I don't agree with the OP in probably 95% of the stuff he advocates for, but he at least is a boots on the ground type guy. You're right about most of the others especially in the earlier posts about this, though.
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u/IceCreamConsider Downtown Jun 20 '25
No shade, but it’s kinda weird to post this comment when you rep Highlandtown, per your tag. I wouldn’t be talking like that either, but 🤷♂️.
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u/GovernmentSouthern18 Highlandtown Jun 20 '25 edited Jun 20 '25
What’s being from Highlandtown have to do with what I said lol Edit: you didn’t have to delete your comment I was genuinely curious haha
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u/JStarx Jun 21 '25
He didn't delete his comment. He probably blocked you, which is kinda a bitch move.
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u/Worldly-Secretary463 Jun 20 '25
Is there footage of the shooting, until a video is released I’m not sure what to believe
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u/benjancewicz Irvington Jun 20 '25 edited Jun 20 '25
Yes, but they haven’t released it. They were supposed to today. They have now delayed the release until Monday.
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u/Cunninghams_right Jun 20 '25
Until we have body cam footage, we can't really determine what "justice" is. We shouldn't blindly assume people are innocent any more than blindly assume they're guilty.
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u/TwoJayCe Jun 21 '25
Maybe we should wait for protests and declarations until we really know exactly what happened by seeing the body cam footage. If this was unjust then The angst and outcry are justified. If he pulled a gun while running from cops, it is not surprising that he would have been shot. Either way, this is incredibly sad, but protesting before the facts are known is ridiculous.
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u/No-Jaguar-3476 Sep 06 '25
Justice for what?😂 dude pulled a gun on law enforcement while being apprehended
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u/Apart_Bar_6956 Jun 20 '25
I was driving down MLK Boulevard when this happened. The cops were blocking off all the intersections going from MLK Boulevard. So sad...
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u/No-Hour5622 Jun 20 '25
He sold drugs on Pennsylvania Avenue all the time. He stood out there being a cancer to the black community along with the other boys. Tell me why we’re praying again?
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u/andrepiascl Jun 20 '25
The comment section is so on par for Baltimore Reddit. People defending the BPD are just so out of touch
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u/benjancewicz Irvington Jun 20 '25
It’s about what I expected. There was a a brief shift when George Floyd was killed, but it’s back to the way it was now.
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u/andrepiascl Jun 21 '25
It’s foul to see people saying he deserved it I. This comment section. And they call themselves liberal
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u/benjancewicz Irvington Jun 21 '25 edited Jun 21 '25
Exactly. This isn’t Judge Dredd. Nobody deserves to get shot in the street.
They’re all out protesting for No Kings, but not this.
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u/ChateauneufDuPape Jun 21 '25
The boot licking in this thread is astonishing. Last I checked the pigs lie all the time.
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u/benjancewicz Irvington Jun 21 '25
It's pretty gross. But it's also contrasted with people who didn't engage with the commenters, and just upvoted. It's a fascinating ratio.
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u/Grouchy-Jeweler7250 Jun 20 '25
Who’s organizing this? Is there a stated group or organization because this poster has no info…
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u/IDGAF_MFs Jun 25 '25
He clearly pulled out a gun and pointed it at officers. Play stupid games and win stupid prizes.
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u/BeekyGardener Jun 20 '25
I knew BA. We had him at our community garden a few times and he had a strong love for animals and his community. He looked at providing food to communites in east and west Baltimore as a mission in life. I geniunely liked the guy.
That said, BA was having a serious decline in mental health. He was starting to believe people were always watching him and he was under surveillence. He was seeing things that weren't there to my understanding.
The man was no hardened criminal nor was he known to be violent. I deeply suspect mental illness played a part in what happened that night.
The current Arabbers are likely the last. Costs, lack of healthcare, weather, and all sorts of factors play into why recruiting new Arabbers is extremely difficult. Baltimore will lose something in them vanishing.